What’s the joke again?
Man stops at a newsagent every day to read the headlines but never buys a paper.
When asked, he says “I’m looking for an obituary.”
When the newsagent tells him obituaries aren’t on the front pages he says
“The one I’m looking for will be.”I’ve been looking forward to his death too but the more I think about it, it’s a mistake to think his death will somehow change the direction things are going
America is conveniently putting all the blame on Trump and ignoring that it took a lot of people to put Anerica in the position it’s in. If the problem were JUST Trump, he wouldn’t have come anywhere close to being elected. A sane country would have reacted to his behaviour by laughing him off and never giving him any votes or airtime. Trump is in power because an alarming number of Americans (not necessarily a majority, but a lot) agree with him
I’ve always been annoyed by people wanting to go back in time and kill Hitler. If it wasn’t Hitler, it just would have been someone else. There’s this strange persistent myth that if we get rid of one evil man, it all goes away. Hitler didn’t singlehandedly kill 11 million people. 11 million people aren’t rounded up and killed because one man decided to do it, it required people to go along with it
Yes.
Trump is the symptom, not the disease.
Its obvious the big big money players are driving his agenda.
They are daring the poor people to fight for their existence.
PS: re: Hitler. Go back in time. Take meth and cash. Find hitler. Get him on meth, buy enough art to get him notoriety, teach him punk music, let punk music advance egalitarian freedom and anarchy, so fascism has harder time gaining traction.
Might be a symptom but you still breathe a sigh of relief when your headache clears up even if your alcoholism is going to cause another one tomorrow.
I would blame the non voters and misinformation and the complacency of it more.
The reps are evil in nature and simply feed on such opportunities. They will always be there. The evil will always be there. Everything else adapts with time to prevent it from such power.
This time we all let ourselves down on this one.
I mean, of course, then again uniting under a single banner/man does make the faction stronger, under him they simply can’t make any mistake, someone else would have a harder time getting away with the same things.
This does not take anything away from how evil they are and how they still exist and will after him
Why would someone else have a harder time getting away with stuff? What is special about Trump? I legit don’t understand how he gets away with things that supposedly nobody else would. Has he made a deal with the devil for immunity from all possible consequences? I’m legitimately asking, why is he different?
Yeah he just made a deal with the devil… Nah, in all seriousness it’s the way he appeals to the uneducated and hateful masses. You can’t replicate his special mix of pure hatred and greed inorganically. It isn’t that there can’t be another, more so that no one even remotely in a position where they could take over doesn’t have the same undeniable sway. They’ll stop being so united.
Doesn’t mean they’ll stop being a threat, it’ll just mean it’s a bit easier to deal with
Right, that too, he simply refused to have a likely successor by his side, too scared they might replace him.
The powerful people that run the world don’t care about the bad things he has done. They have a different moral code than everyone else and its pretty fucked.
Right, which is why I think another MAGA would get away with exactly the same stuff
I don’t think that’s true at all, “if not Hitler then someone else”, as if it was some kind of unavoidable deterministic fate.
Personally I will just be ecstatic over never having to hear his dumb fucking voice again.
The cabal of fascists infesting and rotting democracy like termites will have to be dealt with and if anything, at least our shared hatred of Trump has made us come together and organize and prepare to fumigate the whole fucking place.
Trump has a cult of personality that took years to build, and isn’t simply transferred to someone else. MAGA doesn’t survive if he’s gone. Will there still be fascists, racists, and so on? Yes, but they won’t be unified anymore, and they won’t be grouped together with the rest of the right anymore either. This will be good for the left in the short term because the right will be less powerful, but also bad for the left because it won’t be as easy to attack the right.
My fear, concern, and prediction is that they will recoalesce. They won’t go back to being normal, if they ever were. All that hatred and indoctrination isn’t gonna disappear, it will always be looking for a vent, and you just wait and see, someone will come along to take charge soon enough.
I don’t even feel like I’m being cynical, you know.
No doubt it will hurt them, but they will recoalesce into some new golem down the line, and I don’t think it’ll take long. They’re loud and energetic, all that energy still has to go somewhere- and remember the fundamentalist Christians. They sure as hell ain’t leaving anytime soon, and they’re already mobilized and old in the game. I think once the Diaper Balloon pops whoever grabs the throne will be pushed as the new idol and FOX et al will brainwash the crowd into supporting them.
That’s my bet at least.
It would have been somebody else just as it would be someone else now if not Trump. This is just how the political tide keeps turning
That was never inevitable. The breeding ground, or the bacterial culture was spreading in the vat, but certainty was never on the table. We can change things, we can avert disaster, we can elect competent leaders. Case in point: Mamdani.
Yes and no. You’re certainly right, most of Trump’s popularity comes from Russian propaganda, and far more institutional issues like underfunded education, the blind eye to the Southern states after the Civil War, leftover Red Scare paranoia, and rampant lobbying.
That being said, using the disease metaphor, I think of Trump as more of a “complication” than a “symptom”. Something that’s drastically exacerbated a problem that was already there. Every other politician, even ones as corrupt and self-serving and dictatorial as him, all have to play the PR game and dress their rancid fantasies up as something that would benefit the public. Trump meanwhile, can transparently go back on every single promise, back stab his every last ally, out himself as perhaps the most prolific paedophile in human history, and order his fans into a street militia, and somehow, his supporters just accept it as part of his “brand”.
The US was probably always going in this direction, but I still think it wouldn’t have got here half as fast, maybe not even a third of the speed Trump’s been disassembling it without him. I don’t really know why Trump’s popularity was never affected by his vile actions until this year - they would sink any other public figure. Maybe it’s the right wing press playing defense for him at every turn, maybe it was his “joke candidate” status he earned back in 2015, maybe it’s his history in the public spotlight. Whatever it is, far right politicians around the world have tried to replicate what Trump has, and they’ve all failed. Because of that, I still think that the Big Beautiful Obituary will be well worth celebrating!
It’s more about hoping the cult breaks down and won’t be unified anymore. Maybe vance can’t jedi mind trick people the same way or something? Republican party fractures, rfk jr becomes totally irrelevant, etc.
But yes long terms the problems are still there, the hope is for some kind of respite, force the fascist elements to retreat, and democracy fashions some tools to defend itself better moving forward.
But yeah idk i really hope all the epstein stuff can come out, for example – more witnesses come forward, actual accountability and jail time for the perps involved – but it would not be a huge surprise if none of that ever happens
In terms of hitler, if he had died in the war or something, maybe France would have gone full fascist genocide. France was really a leader of antisemitism much more so than Germany before hitler rose to power. But of course, those are the kinds of hypotheticals that can only have absurd answers.
You have to take small victories while understanding the bigger picture. It will still be glorious, although I am saving up cheap 100 proof vodka as the asshat does not deserve good booze or my money in buying said booze. I might add a champagne if it’s less than 20 bucks.
Perversely, the “great men” view of history that prompts us to want to kill baby hitler is an authoritarian one.
Authoritarian leaders often adopt the narrative that they are special saviors uniquely equipped to fix the problems of the world. The much less romantic truth is that even if we could trust someone with that kind of power, the problems that plague our world are too big to be solved by a single person, no matter how well-intentioned or capable that person may be.
I kind of agree with you, but his death will still be celebrated. When you get a mosquito it won’t significantly change how many bites you get at the end of the day but it still feels fuckin great
Yeah, this unfortunately. It’s the far right MAGA extremists who voted him in
We need to hold them accountable, throw them in jail, deport them and blacklist them
Ok, but what if it really is him? I mean if we’re assigning moral blame then you’re right: many, many people are responsible. But negative outcomes for evil beliefs aren’t a given. What if people are always just this stupid, and it took a certain person with certain traits to bring this out of them? Did people change, or were they just latently stupid but mostly harmless this entire time? Things were going pretty well for a while there, so what if we were teetering on the edge that whole time?
His death might also give some of the smarter fascists an off-ramp, which could reduce their critical mass. I’m NOT saying they deserve an off-ramp, but if it means society starts heading in the right direction again, maybe it’s worth it. We’d all prefer to excise the tumor completely, but sometimes that seems impossible. Remission would still be a blessing.
I guess what I’m saying is, let’s not be too cynical while we’re celebrating this person’s death.
Pretty sure Hitler’s death was international news.
It didn’t spread as fast as this one will though. Every timezone will get the news immediately once it breaks anywhere.
They had amateur radio at that point, so that news was certainly disseminated through official channels within minutes.
and so was 9/11, and Katrina.
both showed incredible, international outpourings of support, generosity, and kindness, and opened the door to a potential better future.
and both opportunities were frittered away on stupidity and arrogance.
My thoughts exactly. I will totally celebrate Trump’s death, but anyone who thinks its going to change anything for the better in any substantial way is sadly oblivious. In fact it frustrates me that so many people seem to think everything will be fine once Trump dies. Already the seeds of inaction and complacency are sewn.
the problem is that trump has advanced the republican agenda by 300 miles (to use a convenient conversational example), and when he dies, the advance will falter and fall back to maybe 250 miles.
and the fools will celebrate that as a return to normalcy and a victory, ignorant to the 250 miles of advancement they made, secured, and locked down by their complacency.
Judging by what happenned after the last Trump presidency, I think your expectation that over 80% of what he and his party have done will be actually undone by a Democrat POTUS is incredibly optimistic.
My bet would be at most 10% - so 300 miles his way and only 30 miles back after him.
You don’t get it. Without dear leader they fall apart. They don’t have anyone to replace him, at least no one their voters care even half as much about as him. The cult will die with him and that is a HUGE opportunity to capitalize on.
Nah bro, I wish, but nah. The damage is done. Don’t you see? The cult, Trump, all that was the booster rocket. This shit is in stable orbit now. It doesn’t matter what happens to that apparatus anymore.
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.
A horrible, horrible symptom killing that diseased country even faster and making it spread even more and nastier efflusions all around than usual, but none the less somebody like him would never have reached that position if America wasn’t already profoundly sick.
If the disease isn’t cured all that will happen is that another one like him is bound to get the post in at most 8 years after a caretaker POTUS that does nothing to undo the shit he did, same as last time.
It won’t be fine, but no one else has whatever twisted mind control is necessary to control the worshippers. I’m sure they’ll try to apply things smarter, they’ll get the backing of their billionaire owner, but it’s not intelligence that made all this happen, not ability. It’s all the sycophants and grifters falling inline and that won’t happen for someone else
Everyone wants to feel validated like a hero but with none sacrifice a hero does.
Pure envy drives the masses. It is one of the many poisons in the current iteration of society
Comparing 9/11 or Katrina to the end of WW2 is a tad inaccurate to say the least.
It’s also simply untrue - it took much more time for information to travel, and no one was ‘celebrating’ 9/11 aside from… well, you should know the types.
Mossad?
I was thinking more the ‘Anything against the west is good’ types, but yeah Mossad was probably pretty pleased with how things played out.
The only people confirmed to have been dancing in the streets in response to 9/11 were confirmed mossad agents. Israel tried to show videos of Muslims and Arabs celebrating the attacks, but all of them were people actually celebrating sports teams or weddings.
Yeah I don’t know about any of that, but it doesn’t surprise me - they are quite ghoulish. Steelmanning, even if the Muslim and Arab people were celebrating - that still doesn’t count as global celebrations.
Katrina and the Waves, the Eurovision competitors?
I know whose death we’ll celebrate next
Yup, we know who your talking about here as well.
Ol’ ketamine head.
You guys are a bit optimistic if you think Mitch McConnell’s absence isnt a test run for something.
Even if they’ve heard the name before, not one person I know outside of the U.S. knows who McConnell is. Trump is known and despised worldwide.
I think they mean testing if they can have a politician be dead and just pretend they aren’t
Trump 2028 will be run dead or alive, exactly.
I’m sure they already have the LLM ready to run his socials.
I’m sure there are a lot of techbros that think Warhammer 40k is aspirational and they’d love serving a braindead emperor on life support who sends them telepathic commands only they can receive.
He means the Republicans will just Weekend at Bernies him to maintain power the same way they are with McConnell.
I didn’t think he’s actually dead, just on life support or unable to function.
They need to do more than pretend he’s at school in Canada. In McConnell’s case, his state of limbo actually serves both parties. Maybe the Democratic party more so than the Republicans.
I’ve no doubt they’ll try to create an animated Trump, but the tech’s not there yet, and he’ll feel wrong to his base.
No cult of personality has survived the death of its leader without an extensive transition process in advance, either to usher in a replacement leader, or to turn it into a cult of an idea.
(I’m absolutely sure they’ll pretend that Trump is sending messages from beyond the grave. That may work for a while, though it didn’t with Charlie Kirk.)
I’m absolutely sure they’ll pretend that Trump is sending messages from beyond the grave.
And they’ll use it to sell one last cryptoscam before bailing out with the money.
not one person I know outside of the U.S. knows who McConnell is
I know about a lot of your batshit politicians but everything I have learned about them was against my will.
Unfortunately most people in the U.S. can say the same thing.
It would be an interesting stat. What percentage of the world’s population got drunk celebrating your death? Hitler probably tops the leaderboard still.
Hitler probably still has the highest percent, but the likes of Putin and Trump might overtake him easily when they go since the world is a lot more connected and it’s basically impossible not to hear the news now.
Lmao, I’ve been reading this post and I had your exact thoughts crossing my mind then I saw your comment =)))
Don’t forget Elon musk, Xi jing ping, and other rich and powerful individuals who caused mass suffering
My heart skipped a beat. I thought I missed a headline.
Agreed, that bitch Carol in accounting needs to go
Elon or Donald? Or both?
We’ll have to see who wins!
Putin
Kissinger was a pretty good starter.
Bibi’s celebration will be bigger
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And nobody really knows if numbers exist, if there is nobody there to count.
You sower of doubt!
Numbers are just thoughts
It’s funny seeing Americans think even our crappy president is somehow the universally acclaimed Mr Evil himself and that there would be a UN independence day if he kicked the bucket. He could die tomorrow and a solid majority of the planet would only be wondering which of the other millions of available morons will take his place.
Unless you mean Netanyahu in which case everyone except the US and Israel will probably celebrate for 5 seconds before they bomb another school full of children.
Don’t be such a spoilsport, I’ll definitely call my friends for a spontaneous party here in Germany.
And the question will be… Schnapps or beer?
And the answer will be… Both.
And that is good. Very good. A variety of schnapps as well as a variety of beers.
I mean yeah he deserves to go to hell yesterday as much as anyone, but you’re right, we wake up to president vance that’s not going to help anything
Trouble is, there’s a long line of equally toxic shitheads ready to succeed him. You think Vance or Johnson will be any better?
I don’t think either of them will get the automatic allegiance of a cult. One can hope, anyway.
Vance definitely doesn’t have anything to pull people to him. Like as much as I hate Trump, I at least see the dumb things he does his cult likes. Vance has none of that. It’s like if Jeffries tried to replace Mamdani.
Let’s hope not. They’re both charisma vacuums. Not that I think Trump is especially charismatic either, but his personality is certainly large and hard to ignore, unlike those two gormless non-entities.
The cult has been around long before Trump, long before he was groomed by Fox News. It was a cult in need of a leader. No reason it’ll dissappear after he’s gone
The long line is what will help. That whole line of them will be at each other’s throats trying to take his place. It will divide their party and divide their supporters. Eventually, one will claim victory and rise to prominence, but until then, they’ll be in crippling chaos.
Unless I am mistaken, there is no line. If POTUS does in office, vice-POTUS takes over.
Takes over the office, but that doesn’t mean he takes over the party or the voters.
The rich guys are ready to support Vance.
But are the trailer park bumpkins ready to support him? What about the ghouls in Congress or the Supreme Court?
They’ll be bought, as expected in that country
Let them fight!
They, nor Rubio or Hegseth, don’t have a single ounce of Charisma between them.
Both of them are charisma vacuums, so they will tank even faster.
That’s not how this kind of shit works. A dictatorship does not simply appoint a successor and carry on. Even if it is firmly entrenched, there will well be a power struggle among potential successors, that often brings down the entire regime. And in the US the fascists aren’t firmly entrenched just yet.
I believe this is completely incorrect. This idea of a power struggle concerning successors being of super high importance reduces the problem down to individuals. Regimes don’t fail because of small skirmishes, or because of a leader dying.
January 1st of 2000 would like to dispute this claim. At some point the world really was just one big party.
It wasn’t simultaneous though, because timezones.
Oh it was at some point, it just didn’t start simultaneously; nor would op’s celebration.
Yes I remember Jan 1st, 2000. I remember Dec 31st 1999, which… Yeah, everyone was waiting for it. In fact the 90s had so much shit waiting for the lead up to 2000 it wasn’t funny.
I can’t celebrate. I worry about the replacement. Not like they arent anticipating it either.
There’s not a person in that administration who has the same pull over MAGA as Trump. Everyone else is just a wet shit.
I mean look at Vance. He’s not popular in his own house, let alone the public at large.
When they hear the key unlocking the front door, all the furniture get an anxiety attack.
You forget, MAGA has nowhere else to turn to than the right wing “'press”, and won’t go anywhere. That shit ain’t stopping with Trump, they’ll just latch on to whatever and whoever else they get told to and keep going.
Gladly history tells us that more often than not tyrannical leaders deaths trigger a power war over their successor destroying their platform.
Oh there’s definitely going to be some celebrating going on and I imagine it’ll probably be people getting fired and fights at work because it’ll be a bunch of sad weirdos upset because their king is gone . Then it’s going to be the ones who’ll swear that he was “taken out” . It’ll be a celebration but also a bunch of weird shit going on .
Ah goddammit, yeah, this is the right prediction. Shit.
