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    I seriously don’t understand why the entire world isn’t boycotting anything he touches. He’s a Nazi and a danger to the world

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      Sunk cost fallacy for everyone that isn’t also a Nazi, when you’re heavily invested in tech stocks it seemingly makes it easier to dismiss the evil.

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      Have you considered he represents a massive investment by the US government and that he’s such a massive security risk that a handfull of countries killing or capturing him could possibly cause endless headaches for the US security state.

      Edit: to be clear this is not suggesting anyone murder musk (he obv needs to go to jail for lying to get contracts and manipulating stocks) but rather than the US department of defense has made a socially stunted narcissist a key point of failure in a lot of critical projects (starlink, NASA, etc)

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          How do you boycott a guy who gets like 90% of his money from governments?

          Tesla is essentially a derivative so it might crash eventually but we’re already seeing his state backed companies like starlink buy up tesla products he can’t sell.

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    Please don’t stop on children, no one want their clothes being stripped off without their knowledge and consent, digitally or physically.

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      Agreed, this problem isn’t just the children - its everybody. Its actually problematic that this is how the situation is perceived, that only a minority is being spoken of. It is a problem of all, highlighting the severity of this situation.

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      Fair, but straight males will generally look at the undressed bodies of grown women and enjoy it.

      The general consensus among the same group when it comes to literal children though? Nobody really wants to see that. People who do stand out, and they are very strange to the rest of us, to the point of revulsion, anger, and malevolence. Like if it’s your child, or a child under your care, and you’re changing a diaper, or bathing a small child, it’s one thing, but for someone posting pictures of random children unclothed, that bothers most people. People who are not paedophiles have a drive to protect our young. It’s part of being a mammal; in general, mammals protect the young of the species.

      But, absolutely. One thing I will say for AI generated porn (that is not CSAM) is, it can’t not consent. No human person’s propriety is being violated. You could say it encourages people to seek the real thing, but you can say that for all pornography. There is a counter-argument that virtual girls can be made to do things most real women wouldn’t do, but then again, there are enough who would for the right amount of money. Using AI or virtual girls, something like SFM (Source Film Maker, it’s a Valve-produced tool that lets you make movies using video game characters), no real person has to do those things if the AI, virtual girl, or SFM model is lifelike enough.

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        Fair, but straight males will generally look at the undressed bodies of grown women and enjoy it.

        As a certified straight male,

        • I do not enjoy AI content whatsoever, even less if it’s erotic. It’s like the visual equivalent of a blow-up doll: desperate and gross.

        • I would not enjoy content obtained without consent

        Be less creepy please, or if you insist on being creepy, at least don’t purport to speak on behalf of other people who are less creepy than you.

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          Hold up now, what I said that you quoted is not at all what you replied to.

          I measure creepiness by what people post every day. Not by what some rando (you) does or doesn’t like. It wasn’t aimed at you, don’t take it personal. It’s just an observation of what people post.

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            Let me simplify what I said because you’re apparently not understanding:

            You are creepy as hell for assuming it’s a normal straight male response to be aroused by nonconsensual content. You’re not “measuring” anything, you’re exposing your sick sexuality.

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              Well, I didn’t want to just assume, but you keep pushing this angle… so it’s a case of “every accusation a confession,” as they say. In other words, you’re assuming I have the same “sick sexuality” that you do. I do not. Not that it’s really any of my business.

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                lmao what are you even trying to say? Some “i know you are but what am I” type shit? You’re not fooling anyone here. Be less creepy. Or don’t and keep having women avoid you like the plague, idgaf

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    I want to remind everyone, what his reaction was:

    He disabled the image generation! But!!! only for free users!!! He saw the CP and thought, I am fine with it if they pay me for it.

    i know, adult victims are important too. But let’s focus on the children.

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      Not having access to Epstein island any more must have left a void.

      What’s the latest on the Epstein files btw?

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        What’s the latest on the Epstein files btw?

        Trump has started a war with Venezuela, is threatening war with Canada and Europe, and is ordering the creation of a battleship (purportedly named the U.S.S. DAMN What is IN Those Files?!)

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          Clues point to it being both more real and much worse than pizza gate, or whatever it was called.

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          I’m indeed quite shocked, yes. At least they didn’t promise to release the Epstein files…?

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            Congress made it law to release the files, with every Democrat and a couple of Republicans voting in favor, and the deadline has already passed.

            The Department of Justice is now in Contempt of Congress. They are also starting a lawsuit against congress because they don’t want to release the files.

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        It’s still their wonderful secret of those enigmas every day. A secret kept by Israeli intelligence and whomever esle managed to procure the proof of a critical mass of politicians and business leaders and other swells in the US and UK fucking children, on tape.

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    So that means western governments will start doing something about it? Lawsuits? Fines? Blocking x?

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      Whoa, whoa, whoa, that would be unfair.

      They paid good money for that global far-right psy-op.

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        Hey i want to be an optimist! and i must admit i am not really very savvy at all the current workings of the governments in the European union, but yeah you got a point, in that a lot of them are looking like a bunch of corpos in a trench coat.

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          Earlier today, I stopped myself from joking that Ford had a 100% ownership of the US government, and GM had the other 100% ownership of the US government, and Fiat-Chrysler had yet another 100% ownership of the US government…but prove me wrong. Prove me wrong about Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, and maybe even Netflix. Prove me wrong that BMW/Volkswagen/Mercedes doesn’t own Germany, or that Honda, Toyota and Mitsubishi don’t each wholly own Japan. I think Samsung genuinely does own South Korea, with no sarcasm or smarm, I think the East coast of Asia goes Russia, China, The People’s Republic of Korea, Samsungistan.

          England? France? Italy? Who owns you?

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            I completely agree, i don’t need to prove you wrong. The worse part is this process of shaping corporations into feudal lordships will end up turning the violence of the state inwards first, to manufacture the subjectivity of a modern serf, and then they will start to build violent crusades against each other. Again AI is a perfect tool for manufacture of subjectivity-> to Ideology -> to consent. It is also a complementary tool to automate the violence of the Feudal houses. What I’m not sure if it’s that sustainable. We are already seeing the oldest feudal lords crumbling under their weight: Samsung for example and Korea. The USA is showing signs of accelerating towards a clash of inner contradictions. In the way it needs to wield it’s imperial power to function and how it’s overplaying it’s hand on it’s own people. Again call me an optimist, but i really don’t think AI will reach AGI or become a super mechanism of control. I feel it’s turning out more to be a wrench thrown into the system and it’s outcome could either empower the late stage capitalists or obliterate the current cadre.

            As for who owns me; Work wise, probably China! Because i work in renewable energies and they are the only ones heavily investing in that!

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    The dissenters can be recognised by their fedoras, goatees and fondness for the phrase “well, actually it’s ephebophilia”

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      Pretty important to show that nearly everyone outside the circles of power are against it, to demonstrate how evil all the people with power are, who have collectively shrugged it off.

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      I don’t even know if he’s evil, he just seems extremely arrogant and dumb.

      If we change “evil” to that, your comment should be engraved in stone somewhere.

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        He donated hundreds of millions of dollars to a fascist politician, then proceeded to vandalize the entire state apparatus of a once-flourishing democracy in order to circumvent regulations that affected his companies. If you can’t see the evil in that, you are dumb and arrogant.

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          The alleged flourishing was before most of us were born. In 1971 it all started to go downhill after a long game was agreed to by monied interests at the business round table.

          By the 80’s things were well rat fucked, both parties captured by monied interests, regulatory agencies being captured, judiciary stacked, and lawyers being seduced into federalist society type organizations to groom them for the oligarchy not the nation.

          Namely they got the politicians and academia such as it was to change the way inflation was measured to understate it, perhaps the most consequential thing(s) they did, they changed it a number of times since understating it every time. By 2008 alone it averaged 5-8 percent under the old measurements, double digits some years, and social security checks would be 1300 more on average a month under the unchanged rate.

          I swear they must have dosed us all with compliance pollutants because we still trust them, you likely reject the inflation rate being ratfucked, accepting that we’ve never had more buying power than we do now. Despite the fact that before that business roundtable in 1971 a minimum wage job could provide for a dignified life, complete with a house and a car. Your pundits will spin that for the sheep, but the rest of us shouldn’t be under any illusions, we are being robbed every year by the investor class and turned into wage slaves, without a fight.

          Looking at our politicians through the half century, and you trust the changes they made were in good faith. Ha.

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          once-flourishing democracy

          I’m sorry when was that exactly? When they imprisoned their own Japanese citizens during world war II for doing the crime of being Japanese and born in the USA?

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          The world is not a fairy tale, “good vs evil”, the dude did all of this out of self interest, Harris also got billionaires donating for her campaign so that she can return the favor back. If you think he gives a fuck about any of this, the only thing he’s interested in is his own businesses and his own profits, he couldn’t care less about Trump or anything around him. Point to someone with money and power right now which isn’t trying to game the system in their own way, from anywhere on the political spectrum.

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            If you think he gives a fuck about any of this, the only thing he’s interested in is his own businesses and his own profits, he couldn’t care less

            Thanks for this lovely, factory-perfect definition of evil. You really nailed it.

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              Equivocating selfishness with evil only serves to dilute the word “evil” into meaninglessness.

              Most people understand that “evil” requires malicious intent to harm others. Mere selfishness does not qualify.

              Or do you believe a child who refuses to share their toys is “evil”, too?

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                Hard disagree. Selfishness without regard for others is a perfect encapsulation of real-world evil, and the form of evil that does the most harm in the world. You can choose your narrow definition if you want, but i suggest it is a useless definition; more harm is caused by greed than sadism.

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              Thanks for leaving out the most important part.

              Point to someone with money and power right now which isn’t trying to game the system in their own way, from anywhere on the political spectrum.

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                  This is not a movie, this is not a fairy tail, we’re talking about humans just like you, there is no good and evil, there is only incentives, if you’re put in a situation where that’s the incentive, you will do the same and you will justify it in your own way. Get out of your stupid Disney bubble, I will repeat, we are talking humans, JUST LIKE YOU, you also do things which you justify to yourself, which other people see as “immoral”, snap out of this extremely polarized thinking, you’re only making the situation worse.

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                You’re just begging to miss the point my guy.

                Yes, billionaires bad. Generally billionaires are pretty awful people. Not all billionaires would gleefully throw children in to the Torment Nexus. Musk would go out of his way to be the first to build it.

                Dude’s evil. Hope your Tesla makes it through the winter tho.

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                  Musk would go out of his way to be the first to build it.

                  He is far from the first: https://www.wired.com/story/openai-child-safety-reports-ncmec/

                  It’s a big problem overall worldwide, has been for a while, which needs to be stopped and he should absolutely be prosecuted, even though he probably won’t because apparently powerful and wealthy people aren’t prosecuted.

                  Hope your Tesla makes it through the winter tho.

                  This is the whole problem. When somebody tries to argue, you put them “on the other team”. You immediately put me in a box inside your head and you think you already know who I am.

                  my guy

                  Also I love how you just assume I’m a guy.

                  My fear is, after the whole MAGA thing dies, a new radicalized movement will start, just this time from the other end and this pendulum will keep swinging back and forth until we destroy everything. This isn’t just in the USA, Europe is also getting more and more radicalized in the same way, it almost feels like they’re copying each other. Musk has even invested in the AfD in Germany, which also influences the FPÖ in Austria, which is basically the same party, both nazi. Now here’s when the real trouble starts, once a new real complete opposite of those starts and gains followers, it will only feed the nazi parties more and we’ll be in real trouble. Imagine 2 opposite groups, completely unreasonable, becoming bigger, both using exploits as much as possible, because that’s the only way to win over the other. That’s a recipe for disaster and that’s exactly what’s happening right now, also proven by your own replies to me trying to argue the very basic thing that the world is way more complicated than “good vs evil”.

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          My only point is for us to stop using pointless words like “good” and “evil”, because they’re completely meaningless. I’m not saying Musk, Trump or Hitler improved humanity, they didn’t, even a little kid can tell you that unless it’s been brainwashed by it’s parents. You’re not making the situation better by dividing it into “teams”, the “good guys” and the “bad guys”, this is making everything worse. This is what manipulated people the easiest. That’s how MAGA got started after all.

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            I don’t know if you are talking to me, but I definitely don’t divide them into good and evil teams. The good side doesn’t exist. There IS good in the world, but not in politics. A PERSON is good PEOPLE are evil. Some rise above the rest.

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    At this point, why would anyone want to be related to this Nazi pedophile child?

    Seriously, if you buy a Tesla right now you deserve it be torched. You work for Tesla or SpaceX, and it’s on you, you deserve to be ridiculed and lose your friends

    At this point, of you work for this shit, do business with this shit, or buy from this shit, as far as I’m concerned you are a pedophile nazi as well

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      At this point, of you work for this shit

      I’d shift some of the hate from the people working there to the economic situation that makes it hard to just leave a job.

      I do agree though, anyone that has a choice should choose to distance themselves.

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    Lizardman constant?

    In a new survey conducted by YouGov amid the latest controversy surrounding the xAI chatbot, a staggering 97 percent of respondents said that AI tools shouldn’t be allowed to generate sexually explicit content of children, and 96 percent said they shouldn’t be able to generate “undressed” images of minors only wearing clothing like underwear, either

    Lizardman constant!