He donated hundreds of millions of dollars to a fascist politician, then proceeded to vandalize the entire state apparatus of a once-flourishing democracy in order to circumvent regulations that affected his companies. If you can’t see the evil in that, you are dumb and arrogant.
The alleged flourishing was before most of us were born. In 1971 it all started to go downhill after a long game was agreed to by monied interests at the business round table.
By the 80’s things were well rat fucked, both parties captured by monied interests, regulatory agencies being captured, judiciary stacked, and lawyers being seduced into federalist society type organizations to groom them for the oligarchy not the nation.
Namely they got the politicians and academia such as it was to change the way inflation was measured to understate it, perhaps the most consequential thing(s) they did, they changed it a number of times since understating it every time. By 2008 alone it averaged 5-8 percent under the old measurements, double digits some years, and social security checks would be 1300 more on average a month under the unchanged rate.
I swear they must have dosed us all with compliance pollutants because we still trust them, you likely reject the inflation rate being ratfucked, accepting that we’ve never had more buying power than we do now. Despite the fact that before that business roundtable in 1971 a minimum wage job could provide for a dignified life, complete with a house and a car. Your pundits will spin that for the sheep, but the rest of us shouldn’t be under any illusions, we are being robbed every year by the investor class and turned into wage slaves, without a fight.
Looking at our politicians through the half century, and you trust the changes they made were in good faith. Ha.
I’m sorry when was that exactly? When they imprisoned their own Japanese citizens during world war II for doing the crime of being Japanese and born in the USA?
The world is not a fairy tale, “good vs evil”, the dude did all of this out of self interest, Harris also got billionaires donating for her campaign so that she can return the favor back. If you think he gives a fuck about any of this, the only thing he’s interested in is his own businesses and his own profits, he couldn’t care less about Trump or anything around him. Point to someone with money and power right now which isn’t trying to game the system in their own way, from anywhere on the political spectrum.
Hard disagree. Selfishness without regard for others is a perfect encapsulation of real-world evil, and the form of evil that does the most harm in the world. You can choose your narrow definition if you want, but i suggest it is a useless definition; more harm is caused by greed than sadism.
This is not a movie, this is not a fairy tail, we’re talking about humans just like you, there is no good and evil, there is only incentives, if you’re put in a situation where that’s the incentive, you will do the same and you will justify it in your own way. Get out of your stupid Disney bubble, I will repeat, we are talking humans, JUST LIKE YOU, you also do things which you justify to yourself, which other people see as “immoral”, snap out of this extremely polarized thinking, you’re only making the situation worse.
Yes, billionaires bad. Generally billionaires are pretty awful people. Not all billionaires would gleefully throw children in to the Torment Nexus. Musk would go out of his way to be the first to build it.
Dude’s evil. Hope your Tesla makes it through the winter tho.
It’s a big problem overall worldwide, has been for a while, which needs to be stopped and he should absolutely be prosecuted, even though he probably won’t because apparently powerful and wealthy people aren’t prosecuted.
Hope your Tesla makes it through the winter tho.
This is the whole problem. When somebody tries to argue, you put them “on the other team”. You immediately put me in a box inside your head and you think you already know who I am.
my guy
Also I love how you just assume I’m a guy.
My fear is, after the whole MAGA thing dies, a new radicalized movement will start, just this time from the other end and this pendulum will keep swinging back and forth until we destroy everything. This isn’t just in the USA, Europe is also getting more and more radicalized in the same way, it almost feels like they’re copying each other. Musk has even invested in the AfD in Germany, which also influences the FPÖ in Austria, which is basically the same party, both nazi. Now here’s when the real trouble starts, once a new real complete opposite of those starts and gains followers, it will only feed the nazi parties more and we’ll be in real trouble. Imagine 2 opposite groups, completely unreasonable, becoming bigger, both using exploits as much as possible, because that’s the only way to win over the other. That’s a recipe for disaster and that’s exactly what’s happening right now, also proven by your own replies to me trying to argue the very basic thing that the world is way more complicated than “good vs evil”.
My only point is for us to stop using pointless words like “good” and “evil”, because they’re completely meaningless. I’m not saying Musk, Trump or Hitler improved humanity, they didn’t, even a little kid can tell you that unless it’s been brainwashed by it’s parents. You’re not making the situation better by dividing it into “teams”, the “good guys” and the “bad guys”, this is making everything worse. This is what manipulated people the easiest. That’s how MAGA got started after all.
I don’t know if you are talking to me, but I definitely don’t divide them into good and evil teams. The good side doesn’t exist. There IS good in the world, but not in politics. A PERSON is good PEOPLE are evil. Some rise above the rest.
Yeah, but one super rich evil guy likes it the way it is, so nothing will change.
I don’t even know if he’s evil, he just seems extremely arrogant and dumb.
If we change “evil” to that, your comment should be engraved in stone somewhere.
He’s evil
As if civilians dying because of the USA is something that just recently started happening.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_the_United_States_drone_strikes
The topic was Elon Musk, not the US. He was instrumental in stopping aid that was vital for many people around the world.
If you want to talk about the US, they were a mistake.
The topic is why “evil” is a pointless word.
All words are pointless, if you only want to pick berries and throw stones at rabbits.
So, how is this related to the argument overall?
In the same way in which your whole behaviour in this thread is.
The US is also evil is not the gotcha you think it is.
sigh Okay, now let’s see a country which hasn’t done something horrendous. Point to one.
“Every government is evil, so evil is a dumb word”
I disagree wholeheartedly
He donated hundreds of millions of dollars to a fascist politician, then proceeded to vandalize the entire state apparatus of a once-flourishing democracy in order to circumvent regulations that affected his companies. If you can’t see the evil in that, you are dumb and arrogant.
The alleged flourishing was before most of us were born. In 1971 it all started to go downhill after a long game was agreed to by monied interests at the business round table.
By the 80’s things were well rat fucked, both parties captured by monied interests, regulatory agencies being captured, judiciary stacked, and lawyers being seduced into federalist society type organizations to groom them for the oligarchy not the nation.
Namely they got the politicians and academia such as it was to change the way inflation was measured to understate it, perhaps the most consequential thing(s) they did, they changed it a number of times since understating it every time. By 2008 alone it averaged 5-8 percent under the old measurements, double digits some years, and social security checks would be 1300 more on average a month under the unchanged rate.
I swear they must have dosed us all with compliance pollutants because we still trust them, you likely reject the inflation rate being ratfucked, accepting that we’ve never had more buying power than we do now. Despite the fact that before that business roundtable in 1971 a minimum wage job could provide for a dignified life, complete with a house and a car. Your pundits will spin that for the sheep, but the rest of us shouldn’t be under any illusions, we are being robbed every year by the investor class and turned into wage slaves, without a fight.
Looking at our politicians through the half century, and you trust the changes they made were in good faith. Ha.
I’m sorry when was that exactly? When they imprisoned their own Japanese citizens during world war II for doing the crime of being Japanese and born in the USA?
The world is not a fairy tale, “good vs evil”, the dude did all of this out of self interest, Harris also got billionaires donating for her campaign so that she can return the favor back. If you think he gives a fuck about any of this, the only thing he’s interested in is his own businesses and his own profits, he couldn’t care less about Trump or anything around him. Point to someone with money and power right now which isn’t trying to game the system in their own way, from anywhere on the political spectrum.
Thanks for this lovely, factory-perfect definition of evil. You really nailed it.
Equivocating selfishness with evil only serves to dilute the word “evil” into meaninglessness.
Most people understand that “evil” requires malicious intent to harm others. Mere selfishness does not qualify.
Or do you believe a child who refuses to share their toys is “evil”, too?
Hard disagree. Selfishness without regard for others is a perfect encapsulation of real-world evil, and the form of evil that does the most harm in the world. You can choose your narrow definition if you want, but i suggest it is a useless definition; more harm is caused by greed than sadism.
Thanks for leaving out the most important part.
So they’re all evil? No shit! Almost like being evil is a prerequisite for being a billionaire.
This is not a movie, this is not a fairy tail, we’re talking about humans just like you, there is no good and evil, there is only incentives, if you’re put in a situation where that’s the incentive, you will do the same and you will justify it in your own way. Get out of your stupid Disney bubble, I will repeat, we are talking humans, JUST LIKE YOU, you also do things which you justify to yourself, which other people see as “immoral”, snap out of this extremely polarized thinking, you’re only making the situation worse.
You use Grok, don’t you…
You’re just begging to miss the point my guy.
Yes, billionaires bad. Generally billionaires are pretty awful people. Not all billionaires would gleefully throw children in to the Torment Nexus. Musk would go out of his way to be the first to build it.
Dude’s evil. Hope your Tesla makes it through the winter tho.
He is far from the first: https://www.wired.com/story/openai-child-safety-reports-ncmec/
It’s a big problem overall worldwide, has been for a while, which needs to be stopped and he should absolutely be prosecuted, even though he probably won’t because apparently powerful and wealthy people aren’t prosecuted.
This is the whole problem. When somebody tries to argue, you put them “on the other team”. You immediately put me in a box inside your head and you think you already know who I am.
Also I love how you just assume I’m a guy.
My fear is, after the whole MAGA thing dies, a new radicalized movement will start, just this time from the other end and this pendulum will keep swinging back and forth until we destroy everything. This isn’t just in the USA, Europe is also getting more and more radicalized in the same way, it almost feels like they’re copying each other. Musk has even invested in the AfD in Germany, which also influences the FPÖ in Austria, which is basically the same party, both nazi. Now here’s when the real trouble starts, once a new real complete opposite of those starts and gains followers, it will only feed the nazi parties more and we’ll be in real trouble. Imagine 2 opposite groups, completely unreasonable, becoming bigger, both using exploits as much as possible, because that’s the only way to win over the other. That’s a recipe for disaster and that’s exactly what’s happening right now, also proven by your own replies to me trying to argue the very basic thing that the world is way more complicated than “good vs evil”.
No shit Sherlock. You have failed to make a cohesive point, and failed understand what it is we’re talking about here.
You’re either simping for musk for some reason, or trolling.
Have you seen the image of him throwing out the heil Hitler arm? He can be arrogant, stupid AND evil.
My only point is for us to stop using pointless words like “good” and “evil”, because they’re completely meaningless. I’m not saying Musk, Trump or Hitler improved humanity, they didn’t, even a little kid can tell you that unless it’s been brainwashed by it’s parents. You’re not making the situation better by dividing it into “teams”, the “good guys” and the “bad guys”, this is making everything worse. This is what manipulated people the easiest. That’s how MAGA got started after all.
I don’t know if you are talking to me, but I definitely don’t divide them into good and evil teams. The good side doesn’t exist. There IS good in the world, but not in politics. A PERSON is good PEOPLE are evil. Some rise above the rest.
He’s argument is that good and evil are meaningless. Like that water can’t be hot or cold, those words are meaningless.
I believe water can be either hot or cold. Call me crazy.