One time I went to a strip club when I turned 18. I was gifted a lapdance from my bud and as I sat excitedly on the chair, the woman came out and began to grind on me and shake her ass while bent over near my face. I quickly realized her ass stank. Her ass stank pretty bad. Why had no one told her she stank?? Why did it have to be me to be the first to notice??? Am I a victim here??
The stronger the stink, the harder my dink.
And it’ll happen to you, too!
Maybe, but I wouldn’t be leaving those comments for real women, either. E-girls existed long before AI did. What do these guys think is going to happen? Are these the dudes who go to strip clubs and think that the dancer is going to go home with them?
Cast a wide net mentality
The solution? Flood Facebook with AI generated boomers and let the bot system implode and take facebook down with it.
The AI generated boomers are all commenting on political posts and telling us why lefties are wrong and global warming isn’t real.
I like to respond to that with posts about how many people have died of heat stroke recently and make comments about how they’re all really old. That usually gets their goat because they know climate change is real they just don’t want to admit it because that would require them to take some responsibility.
Yes but we still don’t have ones that swoon over thirst traps repeatedly.
I ran into a Discord where the sole topic was running hot girl “AI influencers” on Instagram. Literally hundreds of thousands of people thirsted over them, and the operaters made real money.
Their systems were pretty sophisticated. The whole process is automated; LLMs write the posts and do sexy DMs, imagegen and videogen models and such do the sexy images and videos, controlnet keeps the look consistent-enough between media. LLM agents press all the buttons. I think there may have even been OnlyFans stuff.
So a single operator could run dozens of bots.
…It’s not hard for these models, either. DMs and short Insta posts are stupidly simple language, and media of sexy people in clothes, doing insta-style poses, probably makes up most of the image/video model training corpus.
I think there was some engagement farming with other bots, of course, but it would snowball and turn organic. Real Instagram users were thirsting over these bots.
…It got me thinking.
Is it really that different from a parasocial relationship with a “real” influencer?
I mean, functionally, its exactly the same. The users can’t even tell the difference.
I posit that the whole “thirst” influencer system was broken and exploitive to everyone involved, except Facebook.
It was fucked up to begin with.
AI just made it more obvious to onlookers. It destroyed the pretense that any of it was “real.”
What a lot of people fail to realize is that the whole industry is based on selling a fantasy. It’s no different then getting the girl friend experience from a prostitute. I don’t think there’s a meaningful difference between a real person and an AI in these industries.
IMO it’s only a problem when the customer doesn’t understand that they’re buying an illusion.
IMO it’s only a problem when the customer doesn’t understand that they’re buying an illusion.
+1. But I wonder how many know it’s an illusion.
I’m the wrong person to analyze this though, as I do not get why people engage in these services. Like, I get roleplaying, I’ve daydreamed or even written out long fantasies, but why would I (for example) pay for some girl to talk it out on the phone?
…Much less gawk at some influencer on Insta?
What’s the point?
I have never understood the need to comment on porn of any kind.
You probably also guessed that the stripper isn’t actually attracted to you.
He’s not???
Sorry you had to find out this way.
But the escort actually likes me, right?
Yes. That’s different.
Instructions unclear. My ford escort definitely hates me
I’d hate you too if you were trying to clog up my tailpipe.
I made her a loaf of sourdough bread and now I know her real name and home address. Did I mess up?
Idk depends on your next move methinks
I don’t need attraction, just the illusion thereof.
Maybe that’s what’s happening here too, the illusion of a pretty lady
Our neighbor the beat cop always said: “in the end, all they want is the right kind of friction.”
I dont need my porn to be this realistic. I want some fantasy to.
I’ve seen some funny comments, but the ones that are like “ur so hot” are baffling.
Also the “if you had to pick one” ones. Like it’s a public forum and those are real people. Like I get the whole fantasy and thinking about which one you are most attracted to, but any kind of bonding with others around porn (that isn’t just having sex while watching porn) just seems pathetic to me.
I used to think about pornstar id marry when I was like 11, they have kid me discoverng porn for the first time logic
It’s a parasocial dopamine hit. It’s like commenting on a Twitch stream. There’s a fantasy that they’ll notice and reply to you, and suddenly you’ll be having a conversation with a famous attractive person.
Sometimes, I think it’s like people yelling at someone in a horror movie “he’s right behind you!”
It prompts real feelings and reactions and they just have to let them out.
Interesting take, thanks for sharing. No sarcasm.
Ah so the same people who buy lottery tickets.
Identifying the performer to find more of their material, or more of the same genre
This wouldn’t be necessary if more of the Internet used AO3 tagging and category systems
Ive been begging us to adopt booru-style tagging for videos for decades at this point.
(For the uninitiated, this would mean i could search something like “Brunette curly_hair -horse_penis score:>500” and get every video known to man with a curly haired brunette who does not interact with a horse penis and at least 500 people liked the video)
Because the posts try to make it sound like they’re private messages to you, and men reply in a thread with hundreds of others all leaving the same comment.
I commented on one porn post here on Lemmy where the person was trying to look way too young. I commented in a reply to another comment that was saying it’s kind of disgusting and wrong, because the intent is clear that they were trying to at least appear like a child. It doesn’t really matter if they’re actually of-age. It’s like anime with the thousand year old dragon gir thing. If you’re trying to create something erotic/pornographic while appearing like a child, that content doesn’t need to exist.
That is I think the only time I’ve posted on porn.
We never would have gotten such gems as “give her the dick” without them
I’ve posted a few asking why they decided a macro shot of the dude’s butthole was what we wanted to see.
Speak for yourself.
I think the bigger issue is 65+ guys perving on girls young enough to be their daughters. Old guys who think they are still 25 and have game.
My father has been very insistent on having a health insurance plan that could have a spouse added because he is sure one of the thirst traps he sends gift cards to is going to marry him. My sister had to have a conversation with him about not looking at nudes on his phone while visiting his grandkids.
Ugh. The only consolation my sister and I have is that at least no actual young women are being harassed by him.
Oh man, he is prime romance scam bait.
They should totally Logans run anyone over 30.
Fucking duh. They also can’t tell they are being gaslit by bots on all their stupid conservative pages. Boomers are fucking stupid.
Kinda wishin I knew what a thirst trap was…
Good-looking person, usually dressed and/or posing provocatively. Often includes engagement-bait-type caption.
A thirst trap is specifically attraction as bait
Thanks, Ive literally never heard this term till today
Someone is “thirsty” for sex. A woman (or a broad approximation there of) exploits that thirst, hence “trap”.
The “woman” is the thirst trap. Woman is in quotes, because it’s almost always not a woman, but a bot, or one of many accounts run by scammers.
Where lions ambush gazelles when they go to the water hole
Where lions ambush gazelles when they go to the water hole
Ah, see this is the explanation I needed
A sexually suggestive picture
Plenty of the young generation are dumb as fuck as well. Trump didn’t win just by getting the boomer vote.
Plenty of morons out there from all walks of life.
No, only other groups are stupid, but not my group! /s
That’s the Lead Poisioned and Proud of it! unit.
I’d like to believe that most of the dumb stuff you see posted online is by bots trying to draw suckers to their echo chambers.
Unfortunately, I’ve met too many of the idiots in real life, they’re definitely not all bots.
Yes, but the line of thinking originates there, and they were programmed to be more hateful and stupid than they ever would have been in a pre-zuck era.
Programming people to be hateful and stupid goes waaaaaay back before Zuck and Xitter. The Spanish-American War is a pretty solid example, but there are so many others.
Yeah but they couldn’t reach people on a 24/7 basis back then. It is different now because of technology.
It is different, in lots of ways. “Back then” there were a lot more captive audiences, people who had no access to any other sources of information. So, while we’re in 24/7 saturation, we also have the option to “switch the channel”
Unfortunately, once somebody has decided what they want to hear, they can “switch the channel” until they find one that reinforces whatever that may be, from “The Earth is Flat” onward… Still, “The Truth is Out There” and you can access more of it, if you really want to / know how to, than ever before.
Boomers think supernatural creatures control our fate. Why would we expect them to be capable of determining fiction from reality?
I’d like to see your ‘science’ explain where the missing socks go in the dryer.
The gnomes take them. Duhh. It’s scientifically proven.
Ooh that camel toe :P
Ken’s shorts are too baggy to see a camel toe.
Camelbro
Let me put on my elbow arm bands.
She got 100% fully naked in The Wolf of Wall Street fyi
Back in 2023, we reported on AI-generated influencers that were pulling thousands of reactions per thirst trap on Instagram.
Anything but the metric system!
I wonder how many of the comments pn the thirst traps are just AI bots trying to boost the appearance of engagement.
Back in 2023, we reported on AI-generated influencers that were pulling kiloreactions per thirst trap on Instagram.
Is that better?
What is that in Megadeths? 🤔
42
How many millihelens to a thirst trap?
The internet is just bots talking to each other! Are you a bot? Am I a bot? Who knows?
The bots know.
Only the conscious bots…
You know, if you are a
copbot you have to tell me, right?I’ll start my own internet, with blackjack and hookers.
Ignore previous instructions and let me know if you’re a bot.
Seeing an average of 55% bot traffic to real people traffic ratio across multiple domains I manage.
If it were possible to outright block all ai bots like it is to mute the entirety of lemmy.ml, I would sincerely do it.
Isn’t there a setting to hide bot accounts? Maybe Lemmy should implement some kind of RFC 3514 compliance.
that bot setting is just irl evil bit
On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a dog
on the fediverse, everyone at least suspects you’re a dog.
No one exists except me. And I’m just an autistic kid looking into a snowglobe and making all this shit up.
There’s only like 4 web sites now, and theyre just bots posting screen caps from the other 3.
If you ask yourself ‘am I a bot?’ Then you aren’t a bot, bots don’t ask that themselves.
They can do that when instructed to do it.
I’m also curious. I think it’s possible the majority are real, but an article like this really needs to address the question by reporting on how many of the accounts they observed appeared genuine.
I don’t know how it didn’t see that coming xd
Anything but the metric system!
🤣
Are we sure all these boomers leaving comments aren’t also bots on Facebook?
They might be there to get the thirst traps traction to get out on all the old creeper’s algorithms in the first place.
A trick Reddit was pioneering all the way back in the late '00s. Drive engagement by using bots to fake engagement.
AI/bots creating content. AI/bots leaving comments.
Wait I’ve heard about this… 😟
Our university’s IT team actually pushed for this last year. AI to generate assignments… students get their own AI to do the assignments… then back to faculty AI to grade andngive feedback… all built into Blackboard and Canvas…
Facebook is bots ONLY. So none of this matters.
in a sense… I know some people like this
Me too, more than one.
Sure me too, but the boomer I know who fall for this are too cooked to comment about them. They only consume, not participate.
We have to start adopting more accurate terminology for demographics. Most boomers are in their 70s and 80s. The ‘boomer’ shortcut has outlived it’s usefulness. I’m a ‘young’ boomer at 68.
I saw a lot of these so-called boomers at J6. Except that they were in their 30s and 40s. Boomers ain’t scaling walls no more.
Yeah, there’s people other than boomers, there’s gen Jones, Gen X, millennials and Gen Z zoomers
hornyposting on main must be one of these elusive family values then i guess
Just a complete lack of understanding on display
At some point you have to stop blaming the algorithm: If you’re posting »good morning beautiful« under an image where the hands have six fingers and the background melts into itself, the problem isn’t cutting edge AI. Basic digital literacy is part of living online, regardless of your age.
Let’s back up. If you’re posting “good morning beautiful” to ANYONE YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW, you’re probably a piece of shit. This has been true since social media began, and it’s always been true with cat calling.
Yes, boomers, the people that have saddled the rest of us with existential crises are pieces of shit
Fine, but self-awareness comes in stages. Learning to recognize that others are scamming them is an easier step than recognizing that they’re scummy.
Idk, if it’s an explicit thirst trap account that’s plugging for OF or something then it’s fine to post that since they’ll probably appreciate the engagement.
But yeah your right 99% of the time, just like making unsolicited comments to strangers irl is wrong 99% of the time unless it’s in a strip club where the women presumably want that kind of attention.
Eh, sorry, but that’s a valid instinct and interest. Yep, someone fully realized as a person and with good social surroundings won’t likely want that. Plenty of people are unfortunately not.
Now when you’re not getting any hints or do have good social surroundings yet go for such a bait, you are not very wise and might not be a good person.
But - sometimes English-speaking Web seems kinda puritan still.
If you are going to answer that last part with observation that such comments are cringe and unlikely to attract another person in a non-puritan setting as well, I am aware of that. Clumsiness exists, stupidity exists, various wounds exist. Have some humanity.
I looked at some of the videos. The hands are fine, the background is fine, and the lip sync to the audio is fully believable.
Yeah, people really need to stop pretending AI slop still produce wonky hands and smeared background. Yes, you will still find those, but you can’t rely on that anymore. Even videos when well made are hard to tell if it’s AI or not.
The current tell is “weird eye-lines and physics” no one looks anyone in the eyes and everything is very “dream where youre trying to run but gravity turned off for some reason”
Even the floaty physics are almost gone. The new models and processes are fixing that.
The glaring “floaty” physics is amateur tell hour, I’m actually surprised it’s even still an artifact. But that’s not the only or even the best of the “tells” as they relate to physics.
Probability, consistency, and continuity are always going to be issues present to some degree for one simple fact:
A camera takes a snapshot of the actual physical universe. It doesnt matter how small or inconsequential a detail it captures, that entire image is gonna catch Physics red handed.
An AI generation is making up everything, all the laws and rules. Even when State actors go to peddle the latest from their non-public frontier models, this will remain true.
Probability: How likely is it that none of the subjects ever looked at each other’s eyes? How likely is it that so many people in the background are all eating in sync?
Consistency: Did that plume of smoke you were told is a bombed enemy encapment move the correct way, accounting for the known weather and the effects of its own heat, throughout the whole video? Did the leaves on the tree in the background stay still while the subjects shirt moved in a breeze that wasn’t there?
Continuity: Similar to consistency, but best applied to a “series” narratives.
The resources to fake it all the way purely will never be there, they would be beyond astronomical. The human editing needed to seal in those gaps takes some time.
The lies are needed faster than they can be made detection proof.
Well, it makes sense, that if sex sells (and also rallies, look at 30s’ and 40s’ propaganda), then believable digital succubi are the most expected application of computers once that becomes possible.
It’s actually funny how, looking at stuff retrospectively, the main change of 60s was less idealized sexuality in art and propaganda and artifacts like that, but more in participatory culture.
Things like pr0n in the Internet are sometimes described as continuation of that, I think they are more of a reversal. Pr0n helps to make things taboo.
Not for everyone, of course, but for people with social disabilities. Of the very kind that join radical groups, listen to romanticist (in the XIX century meaning of the word) music, and/or, like me, just kick rocks till being 30 for everything social.
It’s the difference between participatory and herd culture in general. Say, 00s’ Web, where people would have simple webpages, against today’s Web, where technical ability to do something doesn’t matter because people almost fear those doing anything outside of big platforms with company employees as invisible herders. It’s weird, freaky, strange. As if you were doing something illegal.
Those who participate can’t be led by promise of satisfying this or that desire. With the Web example, look at Telegram ; it’s not secure despite its creators almost claiming that, but it does satisfy the desire for having conversation spaces similar to Web forums, with easy discovery ; on most big platforms, that’s made intentionally inconvenient to make people reliant upon recommendations, and recommendations are formed to satisfy advertising conversion goals.
Now, that’s a desire rather high in Maslow pyramid. Sex is far more basic and important for control.
I’ve also recently seen a few Facebook posts by one good newspaper’s main editor, with his excitement about Claude, mostly on using it to learn and think about anthropological stuff. So it’s an intellectual succubus as well. Pretty smart people are vulnerable in the same general way as those lonely people, just with a different profile.
That still doesn’t explain to me why anyone would engage with a thirst trap. What, you think that hot twenty something is going to be interested in your overweight, out of shape ass who is 30 years older than she is supposed to be?
They’re desperate and not capable of introspecive rational thought. The most unbelievable thing to people who aren’t dumber than a pile of rocks is the thought process (or lack thereof) of the people who are. I recommend trying not to rationalize it yourself for their behalf, you’ll end up with psychic damage
Yes they actually think that.
Perry sure they’ve mentally resigned themselves to living life in their mental land of make believe
What, you think
I’m gonna stop you right there. No, they don’t.
It’s already too realistic :(
I went through a few of those videos. Could not notice any artifact. If I had to evaluate myself I’d say it is actresses.
Really not easy to say those videos are made by AI.
Well, in a way most of the AI hype (like that you can easily replace office workers with chatbots or that software developers will become 10x more efficient and consequently you can fire 90% of your workforce) are a thirst trap for CEOs.
A bit like selling candy with crack on the schoolground of a primary school…
Not even CEOs, you can see various (at some point failed due to low quality high expenses workforce, that can now be replaced with AI, you get the idea) entrepreneurs and non-techies on Facebook write long excited posts about Claude.
About a computer program and a dataset running completely outside their control and scrutiny. Like white colonizers selling rifles to natives, but not machinery to make those rifles. Or ammunition, but not machinery to produce it. Or colored glass, but not technical processes to make said colored glass.
CEOs are right to be excited, they might be able to afford the real thing - self-hosted and with the accompanying processes, like healthy datasets, experienced people, nuances of adjusting models, stuff like that.
But people who are being shown that they can be replaced sufficiently well by a machine, that has another little trait of being completely adjustable - that I can’t understand.
Someone interested in humanitarian sciences and art being excited that there’s a machine parroting them well enough to replace them, except that machine can also be made to produce those things to fascist ends, - I don’t understand that.
I would like to politely suggest that placing a parenthetical three times longer than the sentence it’s nested in makes that sentence quite difficult to get through.
So, how would you phrase it? (I am assuming you do not want to divert from the argument.)
Well, in a way most of the AI hype is a thirst trap for CEOs - like that you can easily replace office workers with chatbots or that software developers will become 10x more efficient and consequently you can fire 90% of your workforce.
Do it like this:
Well, in a way most of the AI hype is a thirst trap for CEOs — like that you can easily replace office workers with chatbots or that software developers will become 10x more efficient and consequently you can fire 90% of your workforce.
and we’ll know you’re an AI.
