Look at this shit (first paragraph of body of article):
“Automatic watches are admired for their intricate mechanics and timeless appeal, but even the finest timepieces can sometimes run fast or slow. If you’ve noticed your automatic watch gaining or losing time, you’re not.”
First search result on DDG. Thank you, automatic watch expert and real person Hnin Oo Thazin. We may need a whole ass new internet.
https://mtscwatch.com/blog/why-your-automatic-watch-runs-fast-or-slow-and-how-to-fix-it
This existed before LLMs grew popular. It’s sweatshop written filler, to game Google’s algorithm since it ranks long answers higher.
Unfortunately, this SEO “style” with giant padded answers may be why newer LLMs write the way they do, as they were trained on it.
I read an interesting analogy recently:
Imagine the world before cars. Now imagine an American company suddenly releasing 100 billion cars all over the world for everyone to drive. There are no roads, signs, lights, rules, laws or pedestrian crossings.
That’s kind of the situation with AI now.
Whenever I need to look up general information, I filter to only show pages from before 2022. It removes the AI trash instantly.
Most general topics haven’t changed appreciably in the past 3 years.
thats great, the internet ended as a way to research a topic 3 years ago :(
Books are being written with AI. Legislation is being written with AI. Lawyer arguments are being written with AI. Scholarly research is being written with AI.
Pretty sure it’s not just the internet.
I imagine a future where children speak of the “before times” and how when there was information on a thing called “paper” and how it wasn’t created by slop generators.
It was happening well before AI with shitty content-scraping “solution” sites. Some even put [SOLVED] in the page title. AI is just a compounding problem.
Yes, and AI was trained on all of that garbage. It’s like they took all the problems we had before and bred them together.
Why your watch runs slow (2025 updated)
while I dislike that youre asking we constrict our collective digital sphincter in order to take less of a massive diarrhea shit on everything that AI is and represents, you’ve got a point
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Those names sound plausible in the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy
and now the comment is deleted. sehr conspiracy feely
Reported to SlopStop.
Super ironic how unaware you are.
You’re ruining lemmy by posting screenshots of headlines. GET OUT.
l linked to the article. I also copied some of the copy as well. I posed a screen shot of the part that I wanted to share, meaning the visual bit that I intended other people to see as part of my post.
I looked at your comments, and not all, but in many of them you just kinda insult people and insinuate that you’re smarter than everyone else. If you want to spend your time doing that, thats your prerogative and everything of course, but I’d ask you to ask yourself if anyone is going to take the points you’re making when you come off like a prick
its not a headline my guy, its a slop farm website posing as a blog. whats your deal?
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Because it unnecessarily increases hosting costs which may put the community in peril?
Is that why university students shouldn’t be using AI?
As someone who actually knows a thing or two about automatic watches, I decided to give it a read. While the info is actually not as awful as I thought (no hallucinations surprisingly), I still would not recommend it as a guide, even if it were written by a human. Especially this part:
2. Demagnetize:
If your watch suddenly starts running fast, have it demagnetized.While, yes, a magnetized movement will cause it to suddenly run fast, demagnetizing a movement isn’t completely harmless. If you’re wrong and the movement isn’t magnetized and instead a different type of damage, attempting to demagnetize it will actually magnetize it, and the combination of a magnetized movement plus whatever other damage caused the movement to run fast suddenly could be far worse. I think an added disclaimer would be helpful here. There are ways to test if a movement is magnetized, that should be mentioned. Blanket recommending demagnetizing a movement without a disclaimer is dangerous. I know this is written by AI and not a human but that part really bugged me.
Considering you gave the article a high factuality rating, may it be supervised AI output?
I mean, it’s still missing a bunch of important info, it’s just that it’s not saying anything incorrect necessarily. In general anyway I’d just always steer clear of LLMs though regardless of the situation.
well thats the thing, its crap written by an LLM. I read the first paragraph then went and found an article written by a person, but Id say a good percentage of people would read the whole damn thing and take it as fact.
personally ive always objected to the term hallucination for these LLMs fucking up. its not hallucinating, its shitty computer code outputting shitty output
for what its worth, I just needed to manually wind my watch a bunch. I just had it bequeathed to me and didnt know anything about them. keeping time now of course
I don’t think we can overestimate the impact this “knowledge collapse” will have yet. Thank goodness for the fediverse, not that it is immune but holy shit the rest of the internet and ALL of corporate social media sure has gone to the dumps fast hasn’t it…
The general reduction in quality of search engine results in the last 2-3 years alone is sobering.
I think it is tantamount to a mass delusion that people refuse to think about the fact that social media will tear society apart unless it is structured in at the very least a semi-decentralized federated fashion not under the control of one or two massive corporations. It feels like for my whole life I have had conversations like this with people and most often people just don’t care, they would rather be under a more convenient and more centralized authority. Regardless it is no less surreal to me than it must be to those people in denial about this that we are seeing the unavoidable consequences of refusing to understand a crisis of centralization rip our societies apart into violence and bigotry.
This is why I hasted my self hosted adventure. I have to selfhost before everything go to crap
And the craziest thing, is that I got ads in my servers logs. Some company think it is a good thing to advertise in http headers and cookies while scanning all ports
Holy shit
and “sobering” is literally the last fucking thing I need to be happening to me in 2025
Is the fediverse good? Can you find information that was posted here by searching in DDG/Google/…?
I forgot what I was searching but a few days ago the top result on DDG was a Lemmy post. I was impressed.
I think that what is lost about reddit from reddit specifically being such a shitty company that has so desperately enshittified itself to the point of comic absurdity in what feels like a blink of an eye is that… reddit is the start of a great concept. Of course any system can be gamed, we all could just be dogs on the internet pretending to be humans, but most of the time the upvoting and downvoting along with the multilayered threaded conversations allows for conversation, links and facts to surface that I find harder to find in other places and in general surprisingly sophisticated compared to other places on the internet, so yes!
Of course there is only so much here, which is where you come in!
Back in the day people posted sales notices, meeting information, etc. on cork boards or bulletin boards in high traffic areas in public places. The practice dates back to ancient Greece at a minimum. The availability of cheap paper was one of the first revolutions in the technology. When people were first able to use modems to connect personal computers to each-other, it’s no surprise that one of the first things created was a digital Bulletin Board System (BBS).
Reddit isn’t all that much different from a BBS. Along the way usenet news groups added some features, like organizing discussions into niche topic groups. Someone came up with the idea of adding upvotes and downvotes which (at least partially) makes good comments more visible and bad comments less visible. That’s been around since at least the Slashdot era. But, Reddit and Lemmy would be pretty familiar to someone using a BBS in the early 1990s. And the basic concept would be familiar to Aristotle.
There’s a reason the concept has been around so long. It’s a good one. Making the forums searchable will means years or even decades worth of useful information becomes available long after the conversation ended. The problem is that when the focus becomes “how do we make money from this”. That hurts multiple ways. First of all, it leads to spam comments, paid posts, and other inauthentic content. Someone sees the forum as a way to get their stuff in front of a lot of eyeballs, and that makes the site worse for everyone. Second of all, forum owners start thinking “all these eyeballs on my site, I should get paid for it” and either sells out to the first group, or restricts visibility of the information so that you have to go through them to see it (see Reddit’s deals with Google and OpenAI).
IMO, the system works best when there’s no one owner and most people running and moderating things are volunteers. That describes the early days of Usenet where volunteers were running Usenet nodes, often on computers owned by their schools. It also somewhat describes Reddit in the early era, when a corporation owned the site but it was basically run by volunteer mods. It also describes Lemmy and Mastodon now. The problem is that the more prominent something gets in the search results on a search engine, the bigger a target it is for scammers, spammers, propagandists, etc.
I like where the fediverse is now. It could be a bit more popular, but it’s a risk that the more popular it gets, the worse it gets in other ways.
IMO, the system works best when there’s no one owner and most people running and moderating things are volunteers.
I agree with most of what you are saying but I don’t think everyone has to be volunteers on the fediverse. Moderating and IT work are forms of labor, there is no reason people can’t be materially supported for doing that labor, the problem comes in when the structures and systems become profit driven for social media/BBS systems. One is not the other, we can and absolutely should prioritize materially supporting the people who make the fediverse run and we need to consciously divorce that concept from monetizing fediverse social networks themselves or else we will keep burning out and taking advantage of volunteer devs, admins and moderators.
I’m not saying that the moderators should be volunteers, it’s just that it tends to work best when that’s the case. It means that people care enough to volunteer their effort. They care about the community so they want to put in that effort.
By all means, if there’s a community you like or a fediverse server you like, try to find a way to pay them if you can. But, if it gets to a stage where moderators feel they deserve to be paid, it’s often a bad sign.
Why would you rate service quality by SEO performance? There’s almost nothing you can do to make high quality information avilable to search engines while being drowned out by an infinite flood of garbage.
Information needs to be able to be found…?
Yes, actually. I know Kagi in particular has a fediverse “lens” that filters results to things found here. Unsure if anyone else has implemented that yet, or how deeply it scrapes fedi for results, but it’s there.
Regardless everything that is posted here is publicly visible so any search engine that wanted to could scrape results from here.
Honestly, the fact it doesn’t show up on search engines much likely contributes to it staying healthy. If it becomes valuable to post here for SEO then we’ll see an increase in bots using it for promotion or whatever else.
If the content and information posted here can not be found, then it is essentially useless except for that moment in time for those few that happen to read it here.
In the age of SEO and AI slop, may your niche hobby or interest never become trendy.
Unfortunately canning and recipes in general are now concerning and I have to worry about food safety so much more!
Who doesn’t love a bit of Botulism? Really helps with that post-holiday diet.
Can’t speak for canning, but for the recipes in particular, I was really shocked at the state of things the first time I looked at a recipe on an English website (not my first language).
I only look at recipes in my native language, partly because of the fact that this bullshit is not yet generalised and a fair few website have them still in a good format.
If that’s not the case for you, maybe translating a foreign recipe would help? Don’t know how long for though…
Canning now boils down to for me, “only use the sites you know are safe” and it’s annoying.
Maybe it’s just back to physical cookbooks again!
https://www.survivorlibrary.com/library/canning_and_preserving-1887.pdf
Here, knock yourself out.
Yes, and, please don’t use old canning and preserving recipes as written. Not all of those recipes were safe. People died of botulism regularly. And some recipes that used to be safe aren’t safe anymore because of changes in technology, in ingredients, in chemicals available, and so on.
For example: it used to be you didn’t need to add acid to tomatoes when canning them, because tomatoes are pretty acidic already. (Acidic foods are safer to can because botulism and other particularly nasty bacteria can’t grow in acidic environments.) But modern tomato varieties are less acidic than the old varieties were, so modern canned tomato recipes have you add lemon juice to increase acidity.
The USDA Guide to Home Canning (most recent edition 2015) is safe and reliable and is available free online.
God. The first line of the preface to that book is:
In this age of adulteration we know not what we eat
We keep making the same mistakes, don’t we?
Thanks for this, saved so I can access it offline. There’s a lot to be said for tested, proven methods even if they’re not exciting foods sometimes. My (70yr old) aunt made some canned chicken that looked extremely questionable a few years back. It was canned in its own broth so ended up being encased in a disgusting chicken gelatin. But I fuck with canned meats I’ll try it.
Once we finally got around to using it we were a little sad we hadn’t sooner. It was some of the tenderest most flavorful, real chicken I’d ever had.
The problem with old old recipes is they haven’t been tested probably uh, ever. Ball/Kerr has a good website with tested recipes, as does the National Center for Home Food Preservation, which are the two sites I know are considered safe (well I consider safe??).
That book is very very cool in the “Damn I love old books” way though!
I went back to my mum’s method of writing down the recipes I like in a dedicated notebook… Does not help with finding new things, but it does with having to skip slop in recipes I want to do again.
I’ve noticed the trend rising in Spanish language recipes. That used to be my trick.
Te acompaño en este momento de dolor.
Between SEO garbage and AI slop the internet is fucked. As a 42 year old dude who fell in love with the internet and programming in the late 90’s and made a good living at making websites up until about 5 years ago it really hurts. Nothing is left of what I loved about it. The giant conglomocorps have taken everything over and turned it all to shit. Oh well… Old man shakes fist at sky I guess…
No no no no. We are legion. You are not alone. Let them have it. Here, have some popcorn while we watch our ship of Theseus go down in flames. Beautiful isn’t it. Now, what would you like to build next? Imagine the possibilities!
Same age, same story, same feeling. But somehow, I think we should cheer each others up.
Can I join? I can’t help with programming but I can bring pictures of cats…
You can haz cheezburger!
It’s an older code, sir, but it checks out.
I am also this age feeling this exact way. We can start a club.
Absolutely! We also need to share existing clubs we are part of, where, why, etc.
ah, I think we just need to adapt. there has always been counter culture, and every opportunity to suck any culturally relevant thing dry will happen, as you’ve observed. so, new spaces need to be cultivated ya know? I think lemmy is one of em to a certain extent, although it is already a little under siege
As opposed to a manual watch that I have to advance every second?
(yes yes I’m sure they’re referring to a watch you don’t have to wind but like, who has ever referred to anything as an “automatic watch”?)
Everybody says automatic watch. Like literally everyone from common consumers straight down the line to horologists.
This is to differentiate watches you have to wind. It’s automatic winding rather than manual winding. It’s lingo that has stuck around since watches became a common item. All watches were manual winding at first. Then the automatic winding watches came out. Then the quartz battery. We still have all these types of watches but to differentiate they’re called quartz, automatic, manual.
yeah so thats just what they’re called. its the parlance for a watch that winds itself. you used to have to wind them every day of course, then these came along and “automatic winding watch”, shortened to “automatic” has always been the term industry and marketing have used. sometimes they are called self-winding, but Ive heard “automatic” nearly every time. there’s also quartz movement, which uses a battery
We may need a whole ass new internet.
I’d be down if we left the clearweb to the corpos and moved all the human interaction to maybe something like Usenet or I2P.
I would say I’d even be down to learn Gopher protocol, but I looked up their website and they have their own memecoin, so I’m hesitant based off that alone. Even if they say it has no intrinsic value.
https://geminiprotocol.net/ (has nothing to do whatsoever, and predates, the Google AI product with the same name)
Gemini is a new internet technology supporting an electronic library of interconnected text documents. That’s not a new idea, but it’s not old fashioned either. It’s timeless, and deserves tools which treat it as a first class concept, not a vestigial corner case. Gemini isn’t about innovation or disruption, it’s about providing some respite for those who feel the internet has been disrupted enough already. We’re not out to change the world or destroy other technologies. We are out to build a lightweight online space where documents are just documents, in the interests of every reader’s privacy, attention and bandwidth.
You don’t think they wouldn’t ruin that too if that was by some miracle where all the human capital went?
Their plan is to make your internet useless and your PC unaffordable so you have to subscribe to their AI and ask it everything; so they can know everything about you and get ahead of stories that make them look bad, from time to time maybe even kill people.
You will own nothing, and they will force you to like it.
perhaps we can just make Otherworld Wide Web and still use http and everything but its https://oww.funwebpage.net/ NO DUMB CORPO CRAPPE ALLOWED
We need a publicly funded and democratically controlled search engine. As long as there’s a profit motive, enshitification will follow.
I’ve long said we need a return to how search engines worked pre-google. In the mid-90s, sites like Altavista and Yahoo! made site owners add their sites manually, and you had to choose what category to put them in, and they’d be vetted by a human to make sure it was what it said it was.
ok lets do it. do you know anything about compuders?
“Publicly funded” as in government funded, like the Post Office.
… in fact, in the US it should literally be run by the Post Office.
Why not the library system?
Public libraries are run by states and cities and universities and NGOs and such, which would limit their ability scale. After all, the American Library Association is actually just a non-profit. At best they could buy a subscription service or something, like Kagi.
On the other hand the Post Office has a Federal mandate, which gives it a lot more power and potential funding. The Post Office could actually build the infrastructure needed to become a useful search tool, rather than rely on public-private partnership.
Why LLMs exist and how to delete them?
