For every step forward, this prick takes 3 steps back.
And so it begins. Abandon all progressive ideas to appeal to the “centrist”, only to lose to the fascist again. I hate it here.
Gavin never supported progressive ideals?
Eh, early in his term he did a bunch of good stuff, it’s just rightly overshadowed by the bad stuff.
Yeah and while he’s probably not enough of a progressive, he also might not be bothering with the billionaire tax because the billionaires would all just fly off Hawaii or Nevada or Jackson Hole or wherever to avoid paying it anyway.
It needs to be nationwide, but Newsom probably wouldn’t do that as president either. Too many billionaire pals and donors.
he also might not be bothering with the billionaire tax because the billionaires would all just fly off Hawaii or Nevada or Jackson Hole or wherever to avoid paying it anyway.
That basically never actually happens. See: New York.
You can’t abandon ideals that you never held.
Remember Democrats, if he’s the Democrat option come election time it’s TOO LATE TO bitch!!
Fucking primaries!! They matter they are the only real choice! Organize, cavas suppot real progressives!
But once the national election comes up, I better not hear any fucking bitching, and you better line up becuase 4 years of president Vance is going to kick you in the nuts.
If I’m forced to vote for this asshole I’m going to bitch the entire time.
Why? Because it’s bullshit and I’m allowed to.
Fuck the Democratic Party.
“But complaining is anti
-American-Democrat, how dare you use the free speech they claim to protect to criticize the shitheel!”
I don’t like him, he’s just another Republican-lite establishment Democrat, like Obama, or the Clintons. He used to be married to Kimberly Guilfoyle, before she became Don Jr’s concubine (Now she’s in exile as the Greek Ambassador, to shut her up), so he must be tolerant enough of MAGA nonsense to marry one.
I’m so sick of these people claiming to be our saviors every four years, and when they get in, they spend ALL their efforts appeasing corrupt pedophile traitors, even when they have the power to crush them.
We’ve seen what MAGA is capable of, and what they want in the future. When the power flips, we have to fight fire with fire, and ruthlessly purge MAGA from our government and our society, and I doubt Newsome is the guy for the job. He’s just another water-carrier for the Sociopathic Oligarchs, which California has lots of.
But if he’s the nominee, then that’s who I’ll vote for over ANY MAGA.
Get used to it. I’m in my mid 40s and the Democrats have been this my entire fucking life.
Gavin Newsom takes money from AIPAC and knows he can’t justify it, and has expressed support for Zionist Israel. Just like Holocaust Harris, I will not vote for anyone who supports genocide. If signing my name to greenlight genocide is the cost of “democracy” (actually oligarchy with some publicly-funded democracy theater), then the price is too high and I refuse.
I agree with supporting real progressives
I disagree with too late to bitch. The dems fucked Bernie over for Hilary in one of the most corrupt political situations ive ever seen. Either dems can stop providing candidates that dont support genocide and that no one except billionaires want, or they can keep losing to literal fascists. Its a really easy choice for them but they absolutely seem unwilling to make it.
Gavin Newsom is a right wing candidate. He shouldn’t be within a million miles of the presidency.
Remember Democrats, if he’s the Democrat option come election time it’s TOO LATE TO bitch!!
And that’s why I’m not a Democrat.
Jesus Christ, if you think Presidential primaries matter, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you. If the Democratic primaries weren’t rigged to hell and back Bernie would have finished his second term last January. And if Democrats had been allowed to have a primary in 2024 Newsom would probably be president now.
If you want us to believe that your primaries are an opportunity for actual choice, maybe you shouldn’t have appointed a 2024 Presidential candidate who never, in her entire life, won a single fucking primary.
There were no primaries in 2024…
Again, you can rage like a lunatic and do nothing productive, or get involved and do to the Democratic party what the tea party did to the Republican party.
So it’s absolutely possible, but just bitching about the system ain’t it.
The Tea Party still had the backing of capitalists. If you try moving the Democrat party meaningfully left, you will not have that.
It’s currently working with recent events progressive primarying efforts, but not from actually getting centrist corporate Dems from shifting left.
There were no primaries in 2024…
That’s the fucking point.
Don’t tell me I can fight the billionaire masters of the Democratic Party in the primaries when those billionaire masters canceled the primaries just last year.
We need a new progressive movement, not just to outcompete the failed Democrats, but to move this country away from a broken system of electoral politics that lets us “choose” between two oligarchs from the Epstein caste and calls it democracy. We don’t need progressives banging their heads against a billionaire funded wall and lending credibility to a rigged primary process through their participation.
There wasn’t a lot of time for a primary to be fair. A primary would have happened if Biden stuck to his word and stayed a one term candidate.
Progressives winning primaries through Ranked Choice Voting would be huge. At the least it would give us voters a real clue about how close we are to getting progressives in power instead of just the incumbents.
Luckily, the Democratic Party has recently supported the idea of using Ranked Choice Voting for primaries.
A new party can’t get off the ground if the entire voting system moved to Ranked Choice voting. Which can happen on a state by state basis and has already happened in Alaska and Maine.
The dems havent had a legitimate primary since Obamas first election and the only reason that happened is because he had undeniable support. They have fucked every primary since, and then wonder why they lose every time it matters.
If the Democratic primaries weren’t rigged to hell and back Bernie would have finished his second term last January.
Which the courts said was within their legal right, so you can absolutely expect them to do it again.
Billionaire tax should be 99%, no breaks or deductions. Boom I said it.
Even double digit millionaires shouldn’t exist.
Anything networh over 10 million should be taxed 100%. hard stop, hard cap.
Companies too should now be able to grow beyond 1 billion in net worth. Anything over that, 100% tax
NO MORE MULTIMILLIONAIRES! NOT ANYWHERE
I meant to say 99% (probably should add the .99) of their net worth, as opposed to what was earned in the last year.
I’m not trying to literally tax them to literal death, just back down to regular people levels.
Make some kinda cutoff for retirement, but then impose a tax specifically for commercial interest purchases/expenditures.
I meant to say 100%. After, say, 10 million, 100% goes to tax
For retirement, everyone gets a pension from the government.
I don’t care if some people are slightly richer than other, almost nobody does, but for centuries now we’ve permitted insane levels of riches, that has got to stop
No surprise to anyone who’s been paying attention to what he does instead of what he says.
At this point in time I’m pretty sure you would win in a landslide if you ran on taxing billionaires. Is being greedy a requirement to be a politician in the US?
If you’re not greedy, the billionaires won’t fund your campaign. Then you lose.
That would only be true if most people couldn’t think for themselves and it was possible to spend money to influence their opinion.
Exactly.
Huh. What got deleted by a mod if you agree?
Don’t know. What got deleted?
Whatever you were replying to.
The thing I replied to says, “That would only be true if most people couldn’t think for themselves and it was possible to spend money to influence their opinion”.
Well, added context is billionaires won’t fund your campaign causing your public relations to drop. Then you lose.
We shouldn’t just scapegoat the rich for something that tens of millions of people vote for while tens of millions more don’t vote at all.
Irrelevant context. As a great sage once said
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice
This is a binary system one OR the other will win. There is no other outcome. You either push to influence it in a better or worse direction you dont get to sit it out. The result WILL effect you.
It is relevant and important context because we solve this problem by convincing the millions of people, not the rich.
A wise famous playwrite once said:
"Putting the cart before the horse ".
I’d vote for Newsom if he’s the nominee, but I really hope he’s not the nominee (assuming, obviously, the relative utopian future where we get to vote in 2028).
I’m glad when his media exposure goals overlap with doing actual good things, but - and I may be putting too fine a point on it - he’s basically Hillary if Hillary had a penis and was super jazzed about it, and I am fairly confident I know the smug look he makes when he smells his own farts.
He’s fully bought by aipac. A vote for him is a vote to murder children and civilians.
Real shame that our voting choices are kill children and kill children at turbo speed but alas
A vote for newsom in the primary is a vote for trump’s third term
I don’t think he’d do well in a primary taking a proactive stance against a billionaire tax
The DNC has a plan for that where they just ignore the vote and nominate him anyway.
Much like this old gem.
They fixed that. It’s part of why Schumer caved. The lower influence of the DNC in primaries meant he couldn’t use that power to whip votes and keep control of the party.
This and he was married to that thing Don Jr. was with.
Yuck.
This guy fuckmurders the homeless while whoring for billionaires. Why the fuck should anyone vote for this prick?
His sales pitch is centered around “I’m not a Republicantm!”
Most people on this planet don’t lose a second of sleep or shed one tear if the poor die, including the poor.
On the assumption that we are able to vote at the time, if it’s between him and
<insertAuthoritarianDouchebagHere>, I’ll vote for him.However, I’d imagine that most of my fellow U. S. Citizens are well aware that this sheister is not some sort of “friend” of the poor and the middle class.
I’d vote for him over Trump, but he has not won me over by any stretch, just like Harris, Biden, and (Hillary) Clinton.
A fun PR person sending tweets is insufficient to win my vote. I wouldn’t be voting for him, I’d be voting against Trump, as has been the case each time Trump has been on the ballot.
Why the fuck should anyone vote for this prick?
Same reason they voted for Hillary and Joe.
They don’t want things to change.
He’s also pro-genocide.
You’re not voting for him. You’re voting against the other guy.
THATS. HOW. TRUMP. WON.
How have ppl not realized not being Trump can’t be your entire platform!?!?
I think Gavin is counting on voting laws not changing and him going against a different Republican challenger instead of Trump.
I’m personally hoping a different candidate wins the Democratic primary instead of Gavin, and I would support a more progressive option in the primary instead in 2028.
You’re 100% right that actually selling a platform matters more than chasing Republicans. Dems not even trying to sell anything more than a lukewarm, water down platform is what hammered them in 2024.
People need hope and we need Presidential candidates willing to bake risk into their messaging, such as passing Universal Healthcare and a Universal Basic Income program. Voters will move if a leader is compelling with their messaging and shows that the positive change they could bring would matter to them personally.
Then vote in the fucking primary. I. The general you sit up and back the better candidate no matter how shit.
Seconded.
First of all, Harris’ tax plan was to tax unrealized gains over $1M would effectively make all Billionaire’s income go limp dick, and possibly reverse the deficit at the same time, so this is actually a worse choice.
Second, how did that fucking go? Huh? 2024 was an easy decision. 2016 was an easy decision. People keep fucking it up. No matter who wins the primary, we need to be out there promoting NotARepublican™.
Ladies and gentelmen, California Bush
Liberals gonna liberal.
I’d still rather have a capitalist than a fascist.
Scratch a capitalist and you’ll find a fascist. But yeah gun to my head, I’ll take it. Figuratively speaking, at least for now.
Bang on.
But milquetoast is losing. People want change. The time to start thinking about alternatives to him is now.
I think AOC will have a better chance frankly. Particularly if Memdani’s momentum continues.
A lefty needs to win a governor seat in a major state first to continue that momentum to the White House. That will give the average blue voter the confidence to vote for a social democrat or socialist in the primaries.
We can only hope, andthere are some promising signs.
But fuck Chuck Schumer though and every other democrat who folded on the shutdown. Purposefully giving up their only leverage to please corporate interests of course.
Nobody was blaming the Democrats for for the shutdown and they folded anyway. It’s obviously a totally deliberate attempt to undermine their own populist success in the name of preserving the economic status quo.
Yeah that’s the thing about capitalists: They come as a package with fascists.
On the side of the billionaires and the zionists. He’ll be the next president for sure.
just having lived in california is enough for a lot of states to vote against you
And don’t forget he is also throwing trans people under the bus to.
I really hope that Democrats are starting to realize that corporate captured performance artists like Gavin Newsom are why we have been lurching rightward into fascism for 40+ years. They are why there’s been no meaningful opposition. Newsome doesn’t believe in anything beyond a vague allegiance to capital interests and his own career advancement. Sometimes that ethos will cause him to say some good things, and sometimes he’ll do the opposite. But, he’ll never, ever meaningfully change anything at all.
The best case scenario with a Newsom presidency is that he will preside over a temporary slowing of the collapse, while sowing the seeds of further escalation by the white-identity, religious authoritarian dominionists that are flourishing under trump. Democrats, Americans, and the world deserve much more than him.
I really hope that Democrats are starting to realize that corporate captured performance artists like Gavin Newsom are why we have been lurching rightward into fascism for 40+ years.
So there are two possible interpretations for why the Democrats are so stubbornly useless:
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It’s a big club and you ain’t in it.
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You can’t get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it.
Either way there’s no “realizing” anything.
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Slimey as fuck I hate that guy
At some point the left needs to realize that sitting out voting doesn’t work. Yes the candidate sucks from your political stance but they are better than the alternative and it gives a platform from which to push left. This has been the playbook of the right for decades and is why they have been so successful in shifting the Overton window. They vote in any circumstance even if the candidate isn’t as right leaning as they would prefer but to them at least it’s not a dem.
Edit: to be clear I’m all for taxing billionaires and corporations far more.
We still have ample time to get someone better than Gavin.
Your vote is your voice. A vote is earned not expected.
As a permanent resident who cannot vote but pays 6 figures in taxes. VOTE. Some of us aren’t so lucky
I’ll never vote for Newsom. I’ve stated that on here before. He’s anti-trans and deep in corporate pockets. The Getty family owns him.
So you’re ok with Trump. Got it. How’s his stance on Trans people?
Here we go again… “If you don’t vote for Biden you support Trump!” … “If you don’t vote for Harris you support Trump!” … “If you don’t vote for X you support Trump!”
I wonder how that works in solid color states. If you vote third party in a solid blue state, does that mean a vote for red? Or is it actually a vote for blue if you ask for a red voter’s opinion on the matter?
Going off the theory that your vote is actually for the person a particular voter opposes, does that mean your protest vote is actually determined by the popular vote? For example, if you protest voted the 2024 election, does that mean you actually voted blue because red won the popular vote? Assuming that every color says the protest vote voted for their enemies.
Burn down that’s why needs to be done. So fuck yall hell Newsome already acting like Trump. By 2028 he be the Trump of 2016. The Democrats always move further right. Look at his fucking tweets. You think he just making fun of Trump but worse he thinks acting childish like him will win him those Republican votes.
Just like Harris running around with the Cheney they rather court Republicans then give progressive an inch. So voting for them or Republican not going do shit. Hell you just going get a blue fascist instead of red.
Staunch third party voter reporting in. Voting for the big two feels like an obligation given to me by the powerful. Third party is vastly more exciting!
Every vote is a push in one direction or the other in the US. You can vote to push right, you can vote to push left, or you can avoid voting and let the rest of us decide for you. But the last time a bunch of leftists weren’t thrilled with the options, the electorate voted to push right. From your valid gripes against Newsom, I’m gonna guess that was not what you wanted.
Come election day, one of the two candidates is guaranteed to become president. You cannot stop that. I won’t try to say Newsom is ideal or even a good candidate. I’d love to see someone else run instead. But if you want an even more leftist candidate next time, the country has to show they’ll tolerate movement in that direction, and that means not electing another fucking Republican.
Every action is a vote for something. It never hurts to consider the consequences.
By all means push forward a better candidate than Newsom. And I hope you succeed. But if you don’t, and it turns out that in the end it’s going to be either Newsom or Vance (or even Trump), then who would you rather have?
It’s not the left who sits out, it’s less politically engaged people. Bought out “Centrist” candidates fail to motivate turnout while getting negligible Republican voters to switch. Progressive candidates do better at both. They’re safer bets. Left wingers try and explain this and get blamed
Why can’t voters just vote for candidates that actually care about the working class?
Why do we have to play this “fall in line” nonsense so rich people can be even richer?
Why are we so stupid and proud of it?
“This candidate is not perfect enough for me, a paragon of virtue, and he’s worse than having a right wing dictatorship under trump” is what I am hearing from a lot of people and boy do it smell like bitch in here.
