I provided instructions for trolls in my post, but you seem to have missed that part in the bits you quoted. Despite my policy on feeding trolls, I’ll repeat that I’m not endorsing the actions of the Netanyahu government.

I know, but also don’t care.

f you want to put your head in the sand and pretend that foreign intelligence isn’t influencing nearly every flavor of social media on the internet, that’s on you.

Of course it is, but that’s neither here nor there. The implication that outrage at Biden’s support for Israel is mostly a result of that influence is, however, fucking ridiculous. Why do you believe that people can’t exercise their right to hold their elected politicians accountable without it being a Russian or Israeli plot?

Withholding votes does not motivate politicians in any democratic system in the world. The math simply doesn’t work.

Threatening to withhold votes certainly does, because those politicians are at least ostensibly trying to get elected. That’s why Democratic politicians throw breadcrumbs for their constituents and have a milquetoast-but-better-than-nothing stance on civil rights, and it’s what Uncommitted tried to do.

As you’ve clearly come to understand, the uncommitted movement was an abject failure. That you continue to cling to the idea that it failed due to rational progressives makes me wonder if you are a troll yourself.

I’m trying really hard not to break rule 3 right now. What kind of pressure campaign would have satisfied your rational sensibilities?

Uncommitted is not how political shifts happen in the United States.

Then how do they?

Increasingly it is single issue voters like you, who don’t like how a candidate positions on a single issue and chooses to abstain or vote for the other side. To be clear, that’s your choice and I wouldn’t fault you for standing on your principles if you weren’t simultaneously complaining about the outcome of standing on those principles.

This isn’t the outcome of anti-genocide principles; it’s the result of decades of lesser evil politics, which America is clearly done with. This downfall of American democracy did not start in 2024. Ever heard of the gambler’s ruin? Well welcome to the centrist’s ruin, where you keep betting your democracy until the far right eats it all.

As it is, you promoted a failed political strategy that, not wholly but certainly in part, led to the reelection of Trump and the MAGAs.

Again, what better strategy would you have promoted that would have led to change?

I voted for the candidate who would most plausibly bring about a less horrific end to the Gaza conflict. This was NEVER about dismissing concerns about a group of people on the other side of the planet, it was ALWAYS about making the best choice for THIS country.

What less horrific end? Genocide with rainbows? And in the first place do you seriously think a government that ran on dismissing genocide would be anything but an appetizer to fascism? If they don’t care about brown people on the other side of the world, they don’t care about you.

Please take my deepest apologies if the truth of what I’m saying is upsetting. Progressivism has never been about getting everything you want in a perfect candidate, it has always been about compromising in order to achieve incremental improvements.

Has anyone ever told you you’re patronizing? And in the first place what improvements? Your program of compromise and incremental change has led to, or at least failed to prevent, capital F Fascism in the United States. Maybe try something else next time, if there is a next time.

PS: Now is probably a good time to mention that I’m not American.

It’d be funny seeing centrists try their hardest to forget about the success of Obama and Bernie if it wasn’t so damn infuriating.

I… Literally never said anything about a moral high ground. The fuck, at least read what I said before responding.

You think nine months before an election is enough time to change a massive establishment like the DNC?

No, but it’s certainly enough time to force their hand. They kept saying it was too late for Biden to step down and then, surprise surprise, he fucking stepped down four months before the election.

You think a small percentage of voters in a few states whose only message is “Don’t vote for Biden” is the kind of action we need to “change the game”?

Setting aside your obvious misrepresentation of the Uncommitted Movement, yeah so what the fuck did you want them to do? The genocide certainly didn’t care about the American electoral cycle. Maybe if people like you supported them they wouldn’t be a small percentage of voters in a few states and would have been able to actually get things done. Uncommitted was an opportunity for the wider progressive community to force the DNC to give them something better, and what did they do instead? “It’s too late” and “hold your nose and vote for her”. God maybe wake up before you get thrown into a concentration camp?

Good to know there are still Americans who haven’t learned a goddamn thing from November. This situation is directly the result of Democrat-voting Americans crying about the lesser evil while shutting down all attempts to make it not evil.

You’re pointing to a Mossad coordinated disinformation campaign as evidence that Michigan is a good spot to look for popular national support?

God not everything you don’t like is a foreign disinformation campaign.

I’m not saying it’s a bad take because obviously I can’t prove to you that Mossad played a part, but think about the result of the “Uncommitted Movement” and who in Israel benefits by having Trump in office.

Uncommitted wasn’t about giving Trump the White House, but about getting Harris and the DNC to stop supporting the genocide and then win in November. That obviously didn’t work out because rather than support them or even stay silent people like you kept shutting them down and dismissing their concerns about both the election and their loved ones being brutally murdered by goddamn modern Nazis.

Can you even imagine her announcing the Riviera of the Middle East?

No, but I also couldn’t imagine her winning, which is exactly the problem here.

you’re chiseling at the sides, making the hole bigger? Why no just fill the hole? Why are we trying to fix this problem from the wrong contiguous color region?

Did you not get the analogy or are you being disingenuous? Because dude that’s obviously not how I meant that. To rephrase: Providing a good political program is a prerequisite for any kind of sustainable change in Washington. When you’re fighting fascism, you’re fighting for the hearts and minds of the people, not for electoral seats. Hogg is going after the former here.

Wait really? TIL.

I mean Michigan was the epicenter and main stronghold of the Uncommitted Movement; there’s obviously a good amount of support for progressive Palestine policy there.

The latter.

Well good news then, because married couples don’t break up; they divorce.

You’ll never get there until you actually do something to get there. The perfect situation you’re waiting for won’t come unless you work for it.

Some people did try to change the game; anti-genocide protests had been going on since October and Uncommitted got going nine months before the election. Both were dismissed by basically the whole country.

There’s a reason Republicans gained so many seats in the first place, and it’s because nobody was satisfied with the Democrat program. If your society has a Trump-shaped hole, a Trump will emerge to fill that hole. You can’t remove the Trump without doing something about the hole.

So he’s a self-made man of steel? Even better! It seems Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili was truly a sigma male.

Um… You do know what Lenin and the Bolsheviks did to the worker’s councils right?

Unlike the beta Chinese, who didn’t have gendered pronouns in their language but made them up to appease Western betas smh my head.

They did not get the memo; they saw a credible effort to threaten their chokehold on national politics and want to shut it down on a technicality. There’s literally no reason to believe this is an act of good faith; if it was they wouldn’t have elected Hoggs to the position of DNC vice chair in the first place.

Have you considered why they’re doing this now rather than eight years ago? They’re trying to give you the worst of both worlds here, and that aside Hoggs explicitly said he wouldn’t use DNC resources for his project. The party has no business deciding what he does with his other organizations.

But it can’t be both.

Have you considered: People, and especially groups of people, can do more than one thing at once?

Look man, you don’t get called steel by being a bleeding heart liberal.