PizzaCake | Bluesky

TW: Sexual Assault

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7 Panel Comic

Panel 1: White text on blood red background “TW: Sexual Assault”

Panel 2: A guy holds down a semi-conscious naked girl. Her eyes are closed and tear stained. Her mouth in an expression of pain. Around her are more reaching hands.

Jane Doe: This hurts….there’s too many people here…

I can’t breathe…

Panel 3: Beside the girl lays an empty liquor bottle and an empty pill bottle. Hands press down on her head and chest.

Jane Doe: I’ve got the spins

What’s happening

Who’s touching me?

I don’t want to do this anymore

Panel 4: A group of naked men laugh as they enjoy themselves

Jane Doe: I’m scared…

… if I say stop…

…will they get mad?

I can’t talk anyway…

Panel 5: Blood runs between her thighs. Her legs are bruised.

Jane Doe: Ow! Stop grabbing me!

I think I’m bleeding…

…I want to go home…

Just….gonna….shut….down….

Panel 6: The girl wraps her arms around her legs and closes her eyes as she listens to the barrage of insults, vitriol and victim blaming after coming out with what was done to her.

You can’t cry ‘rape’ whenever you regret sleeping with someone!!

Bitch

Maybe don’t hang out with guys!

Your fault for getting drunk!

Whore

You said yes at first! You can’t take it back!

Why didn’t you push them off?!

Slut

She just wants money!

Stop trying to ruin their lives!!

Attention seeker

Panel 7: “Why are they mad at me?”

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    It is quite interesting how women often are the first in line to victim-blame in such situations. Almost like they feel discomforted by someone who had the courage to come forward.

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      It was a woman who first told me “she was probably asking for it” in defence of a teacher who raped a student at the school I went to. It was the first time I had ever heard that phrase.

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    I saw only panel 1 (just the title in a box). I thought it was brilliant. Like, the first comment would be “that’s not funny.” and response would be “you are correct.” then i realized there were more panels. either way it works.

    • cannedtuna@lemmy.worldOPM
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      Sorry. Typically I post the 4 panel versions when artists do the combined uploads, but this one didn’t have that and I usually try to respect the medium and titles the artists give to their work. I thought about giving this one a couple different titles but ultimately settled on leaving the authors comment as is. As the content would be upsetting for many readers I decided to bury the main content in a spoiler warning to avoid a NSFW tag and respect the original post.

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    Christians must condamn rapists toward their god, but support and defend them toward society. For them accusing someone of having comit a rape is wrong and bad:

    Matthew 18:6–7

    6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
    7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
    

    Luke 17:1–2

    1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!
    2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. 
    

    For christians, the one victim of rape have the duty to shut up, and let society live in peace without knowing about it. And them denying the victime’s claim is the consequence of their faith.

    Of course, christian faith isn’t the only cause, but in western society, we won’t get progress against rape without get rid of this poison.

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      That’s a bit reductive, isn’t it? Are you saying that all christians would blame someone for speaking up? It feels like it, regardless

      Faith is not the evil here, staying hung up on what some people said centuries before us without giving second thought is. And some people do think it over when thinking about their faith. I don’t think it’s fair to them to say that their own faith is the cause of such hate and sedentarism

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        Are you saying that all christians would blame someone for speaking up?

        I am. I don’t know a single Christian who would speak up against sexual assault. People hide behind religion because in their hearts they are cowards.

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        Excuse me, of course all christians do not behave exactly as the bible says. On that point either. They are also told to do not kill nor rape, and some do it anyway, so even if they are told to blame those who speak up, some disobey and support them instead.

        Yet most of them behave according to the principles they have learnt, most of the time. And when a scandal that doesn’t conrcern them directly spread in the news, it usually iritate them, and their position on the topic usually starts against those who speak up.

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          Yes, thats the point. They don’t actually follow the filth in the Bible. But that filth is still there and plenty do. If you’re a “moderate” Christian you just serve to perpetuate this bullshit and you stand beside the fundamentalists of your shitstain religion.

          If you actually are the kind of scum who calls themselves Christian, actually follow the Bible. Sell your children as sex slaves, kill unbelievers and witches, don’t get tattoos, don’t wear clothes of mixed fibers or eat shellfish, stone a pregnant woman to death if she’s unmarried or an adulterer. This is what your fucking Bible says, go be the kind of scum that makes a good Christian. All while worshiping the creator of all evil (Psalms).

          Fuck yourself, Christians are straight up evil. But so is all religion. The greatest evil in the world is ignorance and religion is the purest expression of willful ignorance humanity has to offer.

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      22 hours ago

      This, in one form or another, can be said about all religions.

      Ban all religions

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    I am going to preemptively say that if you decide to comment and say anything remotely victim-blaming or stir up any drama against the artist or fellow community members, your comments will be removed, up to and including being banned.

    Please consider using the spoiler markdown if you feel the need to go into detail.

    :::spoiler Some title suggesting Trigger Warning (TW)
    <your experience>
    :::
    

    We are all adults here, and can objectively (AND RESPECTFULLY) have difficult conversations when needed. Not everyone has the same experiences, nor the same reactions, and their traumas are very real regardless of what you may see or know about them.

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      You can’t really say you want to encourage difficult conversations while at the same time threaten to just block and ban people. That’s not having a conversation. That’s just surrounding yourself with people who only share your opinion. Even if your opinion is probably the moral one.

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        Not every statement is valid as a discussion, imo. Victim-blaming does not seem like discussing anything, and feels to me like those statements about every opinion being valid and then trying to justify something wild. A bit like ‘scientists don’t know everything, so my flat earth theory is also valid’

        • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
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          Pick a better analogy. Only idiots believe in a flat earth because we’ve seen pictures and videos and have absolute evidence that the earth is not flat. Saying the earth is flat is like saying rocks aren’t hard.

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        Believe it or not, yes I can, and I will. As for what I’ve seen so far, most all comments are in line with being both respectful and thoughtful. This is the type of discourse this topic deserves. There have been one or two comments that fell out of scope and they were dealt with accordingly. This is how moderation works.

          • Katana314@lemmy.world
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            If I said “This comic sucks, the linework is terrible” I have doubts the mods would come after me. The specific issue was “victim blaming”, and the mod was specific.

            It’s a bit like using slurs, or claiming the holocaust never happened. Such comments are wrong, never add to discussion, and usually come from someone that wants to see a reaction.

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            So, you’re saying you want to have an aggressive, screaming match focusing on blame-throwing towards victims instead? I mean, you do you, but I’m pretty sure you could just go to Xitter for that.

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      I don’t think that’s a good way to proceed.

      You might be blaming victims of false allegations of rape with that, and trust me, I know well how it feels to be raped and to be a victim of false allegations, and both are equally horrible and damaging for anyone who has to live with them.

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        Please elaborate on what I said that falls under victim blaming?

        Edit: I want to make sure I’m clear: I am genuinely interested in what you have to say and I will listen.

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          Well.

          That’s because most victims of false allegations have it nearly impossible to even report it. Let alone proving it, that’s even harder.

          Now, most of persons (mostly women, because it’s other story for men, we’re considered the de facto criminals unless proven otherwise) that do false allegations, use these tactics: they give consent and after the act they revoke it and cry “rape”, because they know they’ll be automatically believed by most people. That’s in part because of the “Women-are-wonderful” effect. And most of them do that because of two principal reasons: vengeance or free money (remember that there are programs to help people that suffer abuse, and they then abuse of them making false claims).

          Now, take into account that most people takes these things (like telling them not to destroy other people’s live, or that they just want free money or attention, or that they can’t regret afterwards and claim rape as if it were nothing) like rape-denialism and victim-blaming, and trust me, I know that’s in part justified, I’m well aware of DARVO strategies that actual sexual abusers can make and that a lot of victims aren’t heard because of that… But people who do false claims also use DARVO strategies, they’re abusers too although of another type, not sexual, and not every time that someone claims to be abused it’s true that they were abused.

          It’s a hard situation without a clear solution, but this is won’t help it to be better.

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            This is often why when I first hear an accusation of rape, My first thought is: “Well, shit. Someone’s life is ruined.” I don’t know who, immediately; the leaning is very much towards the accusation being correct. But I reserve full wrath of judgment until some circumstantial evidence can support it. Sadly, I know we usually won’t see 100% undeniable smoking gun evidence.

            We did in the case of Cornell, which made all controversy fucking disgusting.

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              Yeah. I hope these gang rapers get horribly raped to death themselves. It’s the minimum they deserve.

              I’d prefer, tho, for them to be horribly tortured and raped and forced to work with only leftovers of almost expired, or totally expired food, and moldy, muddy water.

              But well, not all good desires can be made real.

              This is “Well, shit. Someone’s life is ruined.” I don’t know who, immediately; the leaning is very much towards the accusation being correct. But I reserve full wrath of judgment until some circumstantial evidence can support it.

              And this is the problem in the end: no innocent’s life should be destroyed while trying to do something good (whether that good thing is preventing sexual offenses or preventing false accusations), but on the other hand there’s no easy way to achieve that balance, and probably there doesn’t exists a way at all.

              I feel depressed everytime I think about this, honestly.

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                I hope these gang rapers get horribly raped to death themselves.

                Rape shouldn’t be used as a punishment. This is directly supporting rape culture. Stop wishing rape on others.

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                  People should deserve the same they do to other people; they have to live what they made other people live so they can understand what they’ve done. They lose their humanity when they do that kind of horrible things. If they’re treated better, they’ll think that after all it wasn’t that bad, they’ll feel like they won.

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            Imho false allegations should be punished the same as rape (only in cases when it can be proven without a shade of doubt that it was false and intentional). Not only because it ruins the life of the accused, but because it makes all cases of rape harder to prosecute. We should completely eliminate “she’s making it up” from the equation.

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        Oh no! Downvoting on Lemmy that does nothing to the comment other than showing the user is a fucking moron! Whatever will you do!?

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        People are free to express their opinion using downvoting. However, if anyone feels there may be vote manipulation, then by all means ask and we can look into it.

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    Some of the things I’ve seen people saying about Jane Doe are truly vile. The mental gymnastics people will go through in order to victim blame are disgusting. I especially cannot stand it when I see other women putting down survivors. I hope Jane Doe gets justice and the coverup has consequences.

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      JFC, this is the first I’ve heard of this story. Shit like this is why all frats need banned from every university. They’re all shit

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      Is Pizza Cake a controversial artist? Genuine question, because I personally haven’t seen any strips that would make me dislike her. But I also only see the ones that get upvoted on Lemmy.

      I guess there will be some chuds who dislike comics like this one, which clearly advocate for something. But that’s pretty standard chud behavior, not limited to any one specific artist.

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        I think its like people who loudly hate pineapple on pizza or nickelback. Like OK, you don’t have a personality of your own. Got it.

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        She got accused of misandry for a particular comic and then a lot of misogynists jumped on board. I don’t think she’s like the funniest ever, but definitely doesn’t deserve as much hate as she gets IMO. Lemmy is better about her than reddit for sure.

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          Better, sure. Free of the idiots who think they shouldn’t ever see a popular comic they don’t like in their feed, no.

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        It’s milquetoast pandering to help sell explicit stuff. No reason to hate, but I’m not a huge fan either.

        There are worse things in the world than being a little bland.

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          Does the artist do porn commissions or something? I haven’t seen any comics from them that were more explicit than every other webcomic ever made.

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            I recently realized she has an only fans, not for porn comics but for regular porn featuring herself. It’s as milquetoast as her comics I guess.

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                If school teachers have to resort to onlyfans for income

                Well that’s sad. Why can’t a professional just live from their profession ?

                why not comic creators

                To be perfectly clear i’m not blaming pizzacake for this situation. I understand that, as a person who can command a significant amount of traffic, and as a woman, this is probably the best monetized use of her time. It’s still weird and kind of depressing to me. What if you are a great comics artist but you happen to care about your intimacy and not want to share it ? Guess you’re fucked. As a woman you don’t get to just do your job and get compensated for it, you also have to show le titties.

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                  Well that’s sad. Why can’t a professional just live from their profession ?

                  Literally capitalism. So the wealthy can exploit and take more from us while not being held accountable.

                  And it shouldn’t be lost on us that those who are often at the top and avoid accountability are most often men, white, and conservative. Go figure.

                  It’s still weird and kind of depressing to me. What if you are a great comics artist but you happen to care about your intimacy and not want to share it ? Guess you’re fucked. As a woman you don’t get to just do your job and get compensated for it, you also have to show le titties.

                  Yes, it is depressing. But also strength at the same time to continue to make these comics that challenge people’s world view. Art shouldn’t be comfortable, it should say something. But those in power don’t like being uncomfortable. Nor do reactionary conservatives. It’s icky to confront feelings and the fact that they might be bad people. So, instead, attack and victim blame. Darvo, avoid accountability at all costs as it would result in personal loss otherwise. And that’s how we get back to neoliberal capitalism. Lack of empathy, exploitation, refusing accountability. All taught and rewarded by society as it results in better profits.

                  Meanwhile, those with principles and/or those not on top must do what they can to survive. A noble goal like teaching? Defunded, an educated proletariat is something to fear. So, yes, just as someone forced into starvation makes a choice to steal to survive, a woman forced into a situation such as predatory debt in a capitalist society may make the decision to do something like onlyfans. Not because she wants to, just like the thief, but because it’s survival. We linked our human survival to capital, why should any of us be surprised when we make choices to survive?

                  That’s the depressing part. Society is built that way, built on exploitation, built to extract and pushes many of us to the brink. Better that then allowing us the time to better ourselves, better our health, better our education. Because then we would have better access to the time and tools necessary to disrupt those at the top and finally hold them accountable for the violence they commit on us everyday.

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                Preaching to the choir. Let me know when an admin cares about vote manipulation. The 3 I’ve messaged don’t respond.

                My message to demigodrick

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                  FYI they can’t down vote you in any piefed community because their excessive down-voting history automatically disqualifies them.

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                  Just saying, if it happens in this comm, let me know. Prior to becoming a mod here, I’ve seen it happen in this com, and I’ve seen it happen in other coms I don’t mod. Absolutely report that kind of thing. Just remember that people got personal lives going on just like you, so reports aren’t always seen in a timely manner. Some issues, people like myself like to research and verify before taking action when it’s not 100% clear. But yeah while votes mean nothing here in Lemmy I do prefer to stomp out vote manipulation alt accounts when possible.

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                  I’ve been visited by the downvote fairies too.

                  honestly I think the only thing that will make them stop is if they piss off the wrong user and get doxxed.

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    I downloaded a photo of the Cornell 7 last night and Google Photos immediately removed it. It’s still sitting in a folder but won’t show up in Google Photos. I’m curious if anyone can reproduce this. The lengths they go to censor survivors and protect perpetrators is unacceptable.

    • That might also just be a bug.
      I’ve had issues with downloaded photos appearing in Google Photos before, usually based on download source. For example, downloading a picture via Termux would cause it to not get detected by Google Photos, however renaming the file in Google Files would solve this.

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      My screenshots get listed by Photos but not Downloads. I downloaded the Sun’s group shot and screenshotted it with expected results, unable to reproduce (old S21 defaults, no Google backups).

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    Victim blaming. I have seen it happening.

    SA warning

    It was “but they were both on drugs” and “but they were in a relationship”.
    Often from women.

    Then there’s the cherrypicking; one allegation was rape, the other that the guy was grooming her because he was much older than her. People got hung up on the age difference as something that shouldn’t be an issue, and ignored the much bigger issue: “what, now I can’t try to pick up young women anymore? You’re creating an athmosphere of fear and prosecution!” - No dipshit, you just can’t rape them.
    The same applies to the person who stands with the victim (that was me): “but I’ve seen you flirting with younger women too! Don’t be so sanctimonious!”

    Frankly, just trying to support her was a horrible experience. Can’t imagine how it must have felt for her. So brave to come forward.
    But I wouldn’t miss this experience for the world.
    I hope you’re doing OK.

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      Even years later, when I tell my story I get victim blaming comments, even from people I otherwise trusted. I no longer bring it up outside of with other women I feel safe with.

      CW: SA

      “You can’t just take back your consent.”

      I didn’t. I said stop, they didn’t, because finishing was more important than my comfort. Consent can be retracted at any time. Stop means stop, and no means no.

      “Did you even defend yourself?”

      He was bigger, stronger, and had already ignored my “stop” and my “no.” I was scared and I shut down.

      The person who assaulted me never faced any consequences. I still freeze up during intimacy. I hope Jane Doe gets justice and closure.

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        Thanks for sharing.

        Re your first quote:

        I wish (these) men would talk about their sexuality a bit more openly. The need for relief. The still widespread tabooing of masturbation, esp. when a woman is present. I believe it would help them understand that what they’re doing is wrong - while relief is still possible.

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        If I go out to eat, I can take back my consent at any time. I don’t see a difference here.

        “This [food] sucks, I’m out.”

        Shit that this happened to you. I hope you’re better.

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          The issue with the Cornell case is that anything she said no to was respected (at least from the documents I have seen)

          Why did she keep having to say ‘no’ over and over again then?

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              It’s clear you have a fuzzy understanding of consent, I don’t need lessons from someone who wouldn’t stop sex when a partner says they want to stop.

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                Taking words out of context to feign moral outrage when you don’t have any logical paths left 🥱

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                  Good thing nothing is really hidden on Lemmy and everyone can see your comment that prioritizes a man’s orgasm over his partner wanting sex to stop.

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          If you had said “no stop I’m not feeling it” and he said “ugh I’m close can I finish?”

          I can’t stop re-reading this, jesus fucking christ.

          A woman says “No stop” and you don’t immediately fucking stop? What the fuck?

          What the fuck?

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          If you had said “no stop I’m not feeling it” and he said “ugh I’m close can I finish?” and you said “okay finish quick” then your consent would have been back being given.

          This is coercion. You don’t get to push back on someone saying “stop”. That’s fucked up.

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          Wait. You genuinely believe there are women somewhere who would consent to a conga line of unknown guys just having their way with them while passed out?

          That is absolutely not a thing.

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            She wasn’t passed out? They were all doing ketamine off each other? She was standing around the room showing off her muscles? Do I believe there are women who consent to group sex? Absolutely.

            At least some people here will stand on the facts and still say it was rape for whatever reason but when you have to make things up it kind of shows that you don’t have much faith in what you’re arguing for.

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          No. She was intoxicated. Therefore consent could never be given in the first place.

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    In the situation portrayed, the guys committing the SA know that they’re doing something evil. The victim knows what happened.

    I’m not sure why anybody with zero knowledge needs to butt in and attack. How hard is it to keep quiet or supportive?

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      I truly believe the world right now is going through an empathy crisis what with the rise of the far right. Humans evolved empathy to better survive and take care of each other. Our neoliberal capitalist world rewards narcissism, individuality, and exploitation. The literal opposite of empathy. It’s being un-learned, people are literally devolving because of profit and systemic abuse and violence perpetuated by those at the top.

      And you are perpetuating that. Downplaying the lived fucking reality of countless women is utterly disgusting. Real life is dramatic. Because it’s real. It’s horrible. It’s painful. It’s terrifying. But that is what this woman absolutely went through. And so many others have as well. And it stays with them their entire lives, constantly following them, the trauma coming back when the body and mind attempt to protect them from experiencing that trauma again.

      The state of education is so piss poor, and it’s on purpose such that we remain divided so that those on top can continue to escape accountability. Everyone should be educated dramatically about what went on here. Because this is not uncommon. There should be better education of what rape is and it shouldn’t be censored or hidden away, it should be given the weight it’s deserved. And drug use should be educated as well. The effects, ensuring it’s done safely, that there’s no such thing as consent when mind-altering substances are involved.

      I’m glad this case is getting people to talk. Because it’s really exposing how so many people lack empathy and can’t see themselves in the position of others. It’s getting people to talk about what consent and rape really is. But man is it tough to see so many people downplay the situation and even blame the victim for what happened, or even outright deny that anything happened at all.

      And to tie this little essay in a bow, it tends to be those who lack empathy. Which empathy correlates with higher intelligence which correlates with not being a conservative, fascist freak. It’s all connected in the end. And we’re living through an empathy crisis brought on by neoliberal capitalism and its focus on individuality that places the fault of all bad outcomes on the individual. That is the fight we find ourselves in today.

      Be radically empathetic.

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            But what case is this in reference to? I could make a random comic about some tragic event and get people riled up. What’s the point?

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              Are you asking what the point of art is? Does every artistic portrayal need to reference a real event or be limited to portraying a singular event? Did it evoke feelings in you? The point is clearly to outrage and induce feelings in viewers against heinous sexual assault which is perpetrated against women all the time. If people are unaware or unemotional about social issues nothing will change.

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              The point is it makes you uncomfortable. It forces us to reconcile with reality. This shit happens. Real people are harmed. While this is in relation to a specific case which many have already mentioned in the comments, the point is that this is normal. It’s not one individual woman who has experienced this. Thousands go through this all the time and we normalize looking away or vicitim blaming. That’s the point.

              It’s not made up. It’s not random. It’s real fucking people asswipe. It’s lives ruined and perpetrators escaping accountability. Especially if they have wealthy or connected parents. Lazy or “inconvenienced” police and district attorneys. Real people, real crimes and you’re still actively downplaying it saying it’s random, it doesn’t matter, isn’t it too dramatic? Does it make you uncomfortable?

              That’s the fucking point.

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          Specifically this comic is in reference to the “Cornell 7” rape trial that is ongoing right now. A woman alleges she was gang raped at a frat party (and there is a lot of very strong evidence to support that claim, including group chat messages saying “free pussy upstairs” among many other things)

          There have been people coming out with the usual “boys will be boys”, “how come it took so long to report”, “she can’t just cry rape because she regretted it days later”, and a lot of other victim blaming bullshit.

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          Why does a comic need to present the facts? Its artistic commentary on a current case. If you want the facts look it up on your own. Art is about emotion, which I think is well portrayed here.

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            On one side “don’t rape people” on the other side “do rape people”

            Hmm, hard choice.

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            Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean here… For me, it seems like comment you replied to is not looking for any answers, it’s self-contained criticism (otherwise, I guess a more appropriate way would be asking a question).

            I believe the reason why most people only downvote the comment and don’t actually reply to it is because they don’t want to take the risk of wasting time debating with someone who, regardless, will probably stay on their point of view…

            Now, another thing I don’t quite get is, what’s the criticism exactly? “Facts”? What does that mean? (it’s a real question, I might be dumb by not understanding, but I’d still like to try) The comics says everything there is to say to understand it, or so it seems to me?

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              Didn’t realize how well I called it in my longer comment, but seems you both are far-right lunatics who are uncomfortable with women speaking out and calling out their abusers and bringing to light how much we have normalized victim blaming and looking the other way.

              Go figure. There really is a strong correlation between conservatism, lack of empathy, and lower IQ. Y’all both are the exact data points.

              Seems y’all want to try and troll and invade spaces to put forth your narratives of intolerance. Unfortunately, you don’t have your corporate daddies to simp to and control a narrative here. And we don’t have to tolerate intolerance.

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    PizzaCake posting this comic is pretty fucking wild when, a year ago, she created two comics of her straight up raping someone who was criticizing her…

    Edit: It’s a reddit link, but see for yourself. If you don’t want to click it (understandable)

    Ok so for all those asking for context (sadly can’t send the comic, it’s paid so that’d be copyright offense) -

    The comic somehow got my way. It explicitly shows her, having a sex with a man who has no control of the situation, asking him if he still hates her now (after the sex he has no say in). He says no, mentions it’s been several hours since this started, and also asks to ejaculate. She replies that she will let him do so tomorrow, and he is horrified.

    The panels themselves don’t seem violent, and actually resemble fairly innocent sex involving some bondage. The man is not her husband, nor a character I can recognize. The assumption it’s one of the commenters might be about the “hate me” comment.

    The implication of the text, however, is clearly “now that I forced myself upon you, you love me?” “yes, now that you’ve raped me I do. Let me cum and go” “nah fam, you’re stuck here for at least another day. you don’t get bodily autonomy”

    It seems to be purposely designed to be forgivable if you don’t think about it. It’s short, shows more skin than text, and the text can be dismissed if the reader doesn’t think about the fact they’ve been having sex for hours where they weren’t friends and the weak party hated the aggressor for these hours.

    Edit: turns out there’s a continuation comic, with MC holding Guy’s member, he has ejaculated and his groin and her hand are soiled. She asks “oh dear… did I ruin your orgasm?” with a seemingly unconcerned or uninterested face. The caption also reads “poor guy (not really, he deserved it)”. So, a bit more of the same warning signs that aren’t full-blown offenses but might indicate them. Though “he deserved it” is not exactly helping.

    Her explanation of the comic also provides no explanation. She claims that there is context that would justify that comic and prove everyone wrong. She doesn’t say what it is. She merely says she deleted the original post because it would have given people more ammo. This is the same artist who has routinely threatened moderators and done DCMA takedown requests over edits of her comics. She acts in bad faith so when a comic like this appears, and she claims that she is totally exonerated by some context she refuses to provide… what exactly am I supposed to think?

    You can come to your own conclusion. I did mine. That she is a disgusting hypocrite. It’s no comment on the comic itself, just who she is as a person.

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      Are you intentionally being dense or did you not read the first paragraph of her explanation where she explains its depicting a roleplay scenario? Or, an even dumber take, do you just equate all BDSM with rape? Regardless you’re being a fucking idiot.

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      The referenced comics, linked in this thread, involve a fetish involving the permission to cum.

      I don’t know how you’re missing that and making it the basis of hypocrisy.

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          This is the most basic display of orgasm denial kink play I’ve seen. This is a pretty common kink and it’s clear that this is not rape.

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          So, just full on what was described. Remarkable.

          That response from her is… nonsense.

          The comic had came with additional comments and context on my Patreon page

          Then why didn’t she share that? The whole response from her is “This is a ridiculous claim to make against me. There exists proof. I will not share it. I’m getting dox’d and people are giving me death threats.”

          Another comment explains why.

          once I saw it was getting leaked and purposely taken out of context, I decided to delete it because I didnt want to give them ammo, which then of course made me look like I was “hiding something” lol you cant really win.

          Which makes very little sense. The thing is already out there, you know everyone has seen it, so you delete it and all the context proving its innocence to prevent them from getting ammo? And still after explaining that, she doesn’t explain the context that would make it better.

          Her whole explanation is just “I’m getting backlash and feel terrible for it, trust me that there was a context that made it better but I’m not going to tell you.”

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            The first paragraph specifically says

            The comic in question was 100% intended to be kinky, consensual rope play/teasing stuff.

            That’s pretty clear, isn’t it?

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              She could be wearing the stereotypical dominatrix outfit with a huge sign labeled “humiliation fetish porn” and it still wouldn’t be clear for some folks.

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        Warning: Reddit link. No one really does. She posted it on her Patreon and has been going after anyone who shared it because you needed to pay to see it. You could probably find it, I haven’t. But the whole thread is littered with descriptions of it and PizzaCakes own explanation left a fucking lot to be desired.

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        I already covered this and said her explanation made zero sense.


        So, just full on what was described. Remarkable.

        That response from her is… nonsense.

        The comic had came with additional comments and context on my Patreon page

        Then why didn’t she share that? The whole response from her is “This is a ridiculous claim to make against me. There exists proof. I will not share it. I’m getting dox’d and people are giving me death threats.”

        Another comment explains why.

        once I saw it was getting leaked and purposely taken out of context, I decided to delete it because I didnt want to give them ammo, which then of course made me look like I was “hiding something” lol you cant really win.

        Which makes very little sense. The thing is already out there, you know everyone has seen it, so you delete it and all the context proving its innocence to prevent them from getting ammo? And still after explaining that, she doesn’t explain the context that would make it better.

        Her whole explanation is just “I’m getting backlash and feel terrible for it, trust me that there was a context that made it better but I’m not going to tell you.” She has every ability to provide context. She made multiple comments insisting she had context. None was provided. But I’m supposed to just take her at her word after she has DCMA’d people for making edits of her comments and leverages an entire moderator team on reddit to silence criticism? Why?


        Which one is it, douchebag?

        That. Now, goodbye. Not bothering to engage with you after that.

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        Her social commentary often relies on low-hanging fruit (tackling absurdly obvious moral takes where 90% of people already agree). Because she’s just preaching to the choir it comes across (to me) less like thoughtful humor and more like self-validation for holding standard, “I’m not a total piece of shit” views. While I don’t think I’ve seen a Pizzacake comic I actually disagree with, I just as rarely find one that felt worth making in the first place.

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          Obvious moral takes are not so obvious in 2026. Keeping the discussions going is inconvenient to the asshooes trying to normalize atrocities. I think that’s the point.

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            There’s a huge difference between keeping necessary cultural discussions alive and posting relatable, self-congratulatory webcomics for easy engagement.

            Normalizing good values requires actual substance, nuance, and effort. ​ Re-stating “racism bad” or “treat people nicely” in a 4-panel punchline to an audience that already completely agrees with you isn’t combatting atrocities; it’s performative preaching to the choir.

            It’s fine for people to enjoy low effort/stakes comics, but framing them as a crucial front-line defense against evil is a massive stretch.

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              It’s an attempt to get people to feel empathy for rape victims in a society that overwhelmingly blames rape victims for being raped.

              That you see it as performative is telling.

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    Nothing against the message itself. Just how it’s being presented itself. The author put a TW upfront, followed by multitude of well-drawn panels, only to censor the important words at the end? It’s like a boxer preparing their stance and their whole weight on their fist to launch a punch only to hold back right before it lands.

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      if the artists intent had been lost on some of the audience, i could see this argument. like if they’d used some of the internet acronyms that made it so some readers couldn’t tell what they were trying to say, then some meaning would have been lost.

      but as this is, there is no question what those words are supposed to be. i had no trouble understanding the message and feeling the weight of it.

      i understand your frustration but i feel like you’re diminishing or dismissing the impact that’s clearly still intact based on a distaste for something the clankers have forced many artists into to prevent being censored.

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      Normally I might agree with you, but I think this is a good example of talking about the problem being viewed more harshly than the problem itself. I don’t know if that was part of the “artistic vision” but think it’s fairly appropriate to the topic.