Let me translate this:
You (the Outgroup, meaning leftists) can’t have guns. If You (the Outgroup) does this, We (the ingroup, the right) will kill you. You have no rights, We have no restrictions.
Cool, cool, see you in the rice fields then.
The NRA is frantically running the numbers to see what will increase public fear, and thus sales figures for the gun companies, the most.
You’re going to see a timid pushback against the administration right now.
Why are they doing this? Are they finally standing up with consistent values on at least this one idea? Are they making a firm stand that the constitution is beyond partisan politics? I don’t know… it may be something else.
The NRA released a statement only hours after the shooting, in it they blame Governor Tim Walz for his “radical extremist protests”.
If they didn’t make a stand when he said “take the gun first, due process second” in his first administration, why would they do it now?
That’s why I said anything we hear from them is going to be really weak. Just mumbling efforts to pay lip service to people considering buying guns right now. They don’t care about firearms or the 2nd amendment or human life any more than the president himself, it’s JUST a corporate marketing agency.
(A marketing agency that is rapidly falling off a cliff, they have been liquidating their own stocks, they even sued one of their own subsidiaries, they are under investigation and have lost a million members, they even got rejected filing for bankruptcy. Real shame. Moment of silence. Okay moment is over, what’s for lunch?)
Ironically, thanks to the 2A loonies we don’t really need them anymore. Can even rifle a barrel liner using a car battery and a bucket of salt water at this point.
Print, [redacted], repeat
is there a more in depth write up on that process? that’s pretty sweet
I’m pretty sure you can find videos on it on YouTube, but it essentially boils down to creating an array of copper wire in the shape of the rifling, inserting that into the barrel liner, then putting the whole thing into the bucket and hooking the wire up to electricity. This then slowly etches the rifling into the liner through electrolysis.
What they are referring to is electrolytic etching (et al). Yes, you can get something approximating what is essentially tapping a thread, but I can pretty much guarantee you that anyone doing this in a shed isn’t getting that level of precision and is, arguably, doing a worse job than not rifling at all. The folk who DO know how to do this have access to machine shops… and the tools to do it correctly.
Regardless, the real problem is making the barrel in the first place. Anyone who bought a mini lathe or got a drill press on facebook marketplace thinks they can do this. They chew threw mild steel like butter! And… there are a LOT of recovered guns from The Troubles in Ireland that fractured or literally exploded after even moderate use. Because you need proper alloys to handle the pressures of repeated explosions AND need to machine it in a way that is less likely to fracture/chip the parts containing that pressure. And drilling through THAT takes much better gear and skills that go beyond “Only an idiot wears gloves”
Also… it is irrelevant to the topic of Ghost Guns. Because, in almost all cases, barrels (and springs and levers) are not controlled items. So you print what is controlled and buy a parts kit for the rest.
“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida … to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.
“Take the guns first, go through due process second,”
- Donald J Trump, Feb 28, 2018
So MAGA, let’s check the scoreboard:
- America First - yeah, NO.
- Release the Epstein Files - Who?
- Lower prices on day one - tariffs are more important
- 2A Champion - Only for who they choose.
So what are you still in for? The voracious Corruption? The Pedophilia? The virtuosic incompetence? The sending Americans to die in another endless foreign war to make oil companies wealthy? Paramilitary Death Squads having spontaneous firing squads in the streets?
This is what you voted for. Is this the free America you envisioned?
And everyone of them will say to you completely honestly, “it’s a freer America than if I had voted for a Democrat.”
At this point it’s tribalism. Anyone who still supports Trump and the Republicans will always support them. Being Republican is part of their identity, it’s the identity they share with their family, friends and coworkers. It’s the identity of their community. They’re not going to walk away from all that just because one irresponsible ICE agent killed one guy in a democratic city. They can’t, they’d be walking away from everything they’ve known. Like their football team, they’ll cheer their team on no matter what because it’s their team. Simple as that.
The stupidity of right wing people who aren’t rich never ceases to amaze me.
You’ve heard of “a rising tide raises all ships”, right?
These clowns honestly think “sinking undesirable ships raises the seafloor”, and much prefer that methodology even if the gains are marginal.
oh, but they will all be billionaires one day!
There are onlyp two types of MAGAs - millionaires or morons. Which are you?
In a twisted way, Trump is inadvertently trying hard to prove that more guns in the hands of untrained people with no background checks are a bad idea, something NRA was hoping to keep down. The cat is out of the bag now.
Anyway, fight girls.
I get the irony but if he managed to actually enact some form of gun control in this country it would be the hardest pill in the world for people like us to swallow who just can’t stand that fucking idiot.
insert “Broken clocks” idiom
He’d be doing the right thing but for the wrong reasons and in this case, for more authoritarian control
Reagan enacted gun control in California
For the same reasons!
He also sent the military to Berkeley to deal with lippy students using words. Then 20 years later they all voted for him because they got rich.
As much as it has zero chance of ever happening, he pushed for a max 10% on credit card debt. It’d all but destroy some banks, and people that dont have excellent credit would largely have zero credit availability, but I think it’s a good idea.
Credit cards is a money trickling up system. Banks charge the sellers and give a rebate to their customers. Sellers increase their price to compensate for the credit card fees.
And then the poor are denied credit cards and pay the marked-up price on everything, or are given credit cards knowing they will fail to pay back on time at some point and then pay huge interests.
It would be better for most if that system disappeared or was at least severely trimmed down!I deliberately seek out businesses with a cash discount.
Agreed. Short term pain for long term gain is something we desperately need to change but today’s culture is too lost in the system to ever deal with it.
If it meant a better life for my daughter when she grows up I’d do what I had to. I’m doing what I can but it isn’t much.
They will whinge about this for a few days before he finds some shiny thing to distract them with.
in the hands of untrained people with no background checks
In the context and language of the time, “well regulated” essentially meant “properly trained in their use” so there’s a constitutional argument to be made for mandatory firearms training as a prerequisite gun ownership. That’s…not going to reduce shootings in the ways you might expect, since a large portion of shootings are not done with legally owned guns to begin with, and there’s no good reason organized crime (think gang and/or narcotics related, connected is why a few dozen counties account for something like 4 in 10 homicides) would use guns legally registered to themselves.
Would probably reduce the suicide rate though - anything that breaks the immediacy between wanting to do it and trying to do it tends to.
An important step up on the whole issue would be making gun owners legally liable for any crimes committed with a firearm they own, even if it’s stolen unless the theft was reported beforehand and there is clear evidence that it was properly secured at the time of theft. You steal your father’s rifle and go shoot up your school and he’s on the hook for the murders too. Would make a bunch of folks much more concerned about properly securing their arms, which would further reduce the suicide rate if nothing else and put a dent in the “lone nutter shoots up their school” types as well.
If we hold ICE protests in schools every day then the feds will work to keep guns out of schools?
YOU can’t have guns. THEY can have guns.
That’s not true. Rich people can always have guns.
The rich are part of ‘them’
Quick question…
Did they take the gun from the 34x convicted felon?
Why does he need a gun when he has an entire army and nukes? Apparently if you’re a felon you can’t have a pistol but it’s no issue being in charge of the most powerful army in the world and one of the biggest nuclear arsenals.
Did you miss the fact that he has (or at least had, prolly still has it though), a custom Orange Turnip gold plated gun?
That’s just ornamental. A trophy.
Interesting theory, I don’t know either way.
Can anyone out there confirm or deny whether the shitstain’s gold plated gun is real and functional, or just a useless mockup trophy?
He wouldn’t know how to load it even if was was functional.
nah, it’s because dumpy is immune to legal repercussions. He can do as he wishes.
It’s unconstitutional for a felon to be president, but here we are.It’s unconstitutional for a felon to be president, but here we are.
No it isn’t. You’d like to think it is, but it isn’t.
Why does he need a gun when he has an entire army
I don’t know, but they charged Maduro with possession of a machine gun, so ¯\(ツ)/¯
Sitting presidents cannot be indicted, he probably doesn’t care at all if he’s allowed to. Might be additional exception rules for members of the armed services, as well.
Trump is an east-coast elite real-estate lich, he doesn’t give a shit about guns at all. He’s always just paid people to carry them for him. Literally, he’s the consummate cartoon fatcat. That’s why he has zero qualms saying over and over he wants to take them or restrict them, he’s not a constitution thumping conservative, he’s just an old parody.
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Guys… what is happening to your country?
Not even sure if it’s “my country” anymore
Rich white conservative men have stolen it, now I’m just a “subject” I guess… lol 🫠
Unchecked fascism. Beware.
it looks like the start of a civil war. i hope it doesn’t come to that, but it really looks like that’s where it’s headed.
If we keep society together and martial law isn’t declared before midterms then we might be good. We might go to sweep them without a civil war. But should martial law be declared or we don’t get the midterms for whatever reason…
Then it’ll fracture along state lines, ie states that have the wherewithal to stand up against the feds. Which if they don’t organize among themselves will be … California. Maybe New York. And the little ones will be steamrolled. Although I’d guess the purple states that insist on more autonomy and are more difficult to police (AZ, Colorado, Montana, Utah) will just sort of fly under the radar.
I think states will still band together a bit. New england would probably stick together. California, Oregon, and Washington. All of the south, including Florida now, would stick together too.
Probably not. North and South split more evenly than than Minnesota vs. the government.
If only we were so lucky. Americans aren’t going to stop this themselves, the rest of us need to arm ourselves and prepare to defend each other
Read some history
So… Americans should ask France for help again?
Possibly
It’s a fun take, and Lemmy is a bit of an echo chamber, so let me enlighten you all on how that would kind of go:
The MAGA crowd is a combination of idiocy, brain damage, and then dark tetrad people.
They don’t care if their cult leader is hypocritical, they’ll defend everything he says, even if it hurts their own interests; they’ll cherry pick, gaslight, and deny basic facts.
When you see them from a point of clinical detachment, their behavior makes a kind of twisted sense. The mistake is the assumption that they’re just like you, and can be reasoned with or moved using empathy. Their worldview is fundamentally different, and typically only changes via direct experience: “leopards ate my face”. Sometimes not even then.
It’s downright infuriating at times because it reminds me of that antisemitism quote:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Jean-Paul Sartre
Forgive me for being the ackshully guy in the thread, but it’s dark triad. A tetrad is comprised of four
Edit: guess I should have dug deeper. I didn’t know some add sadism to make it a tetrad. Thanks for teaching me something.
Lucky 10,000.
But weird to wait just a couple days after his support significantly fractured to claim his support can never fracture…
I’ll be glad when it does; the guy was elected twice.
I want to be wrong in this case
Very defeatist of you to suggest his base will always defend him, right after they appear to no longer be defending him
Only the most ardent propagandists are defending this killing. We have yet to see how it will play out, but you’re telling us to give up already?
No. I won’t give up as easily as you have. We will keep fighting
They will absolutely defend him. There was a clip that went viral a few weeks back from a podcast where leftist children chat politics with their MAGA parents and the seriously MAGA-pilled father said (paraphrasing here) that he’d be okay with his son getting shot and killed because of Trump because Trump must’ve had a good reason to order whatever killed his son.
You can also go to the leopardsatemyface community where you regularly see Trump supporters get fucked by Trump only to have them say they’ll still support Trump.
They’re also justifying the murders of American citizens with the “just obey. If you agitate them and you get killed that’s your fault”.
I’m not saying give up. I’m saying some parts of MAGA (hard to say how much) are so lost in the sauce I don’t know what Trump would have to do to get them to change their mind.
There will always be a percentage that will follow their cult leader. But as things get worse you do see more move away. If in the lepordsatemyface community you see people regretting their vote (only because it harmed them) and swearing to no longer support Trump
With the beautiful propaganda machine and echo chambers they have built, those people moving away just come right back (and most never leave at all). Just look at the number of individuals on leopards ate my face the first time around, and note the numbers of trump voters in his three runs.
Only the most ardent propagandists are defending this killing.
Oh, sweet summer child
Serious question, have you asked a Republican if they intend to keep voting Republican after these murders?
A federal agent did not kill a civilian. A Confederate soldier killed an American citizen.
And you’re still saying you don’t have a king ruling over you , America?
He really shit all over your second amendment rights there. Wiped his royal butt with it.
“Gun control” will continue to be a means of controlling undesirables while the fash base is still supported.
These current attacks are a good example. They’re attacking protesters in non-fashy areas. They’ll find similar ways of controlling guns for themselves.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
something something FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS
