It’s not news. My personal date for the start of dictatorship in the United Stated is March 14, 2025: that’s the first instance of Trump and his henchmen disobeying a court decision.
I think it was earlier, when the supreme Court ruled that the president could do what he wanted as long as it was part of his duties and THEY get to decide what is part of his duties.
Yes I did say duty. Grow up.
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I would trace it back to September 11, 2001 at least. Specifically, the highly authoritarian response to that. There’s a direct line from what the US government started doing then to what they’re doing now.
Ironically enough the heritage foundation had a great bunch of influence in writing the Patriot act… Pretty much everything terrible in this country currently can be linked directly to them.
Yes indeed. Bin Laden can be proud, the terrorists won
IMO it’s the day he took power the second time.
As he said plainly, “I’ll be a dictator from day one”. And then millions of Americans looked at his record, looked at all the crimes he’d been found guilty of, considered his promise, and voted for him anyway.
Real Darwin Award shit.
It happened November 5th 2024 when he, Elon and Putin stole the election. We’ve been cooked ever since.
That’s only because you haven’t been paying attention. The US has been on this path for decades.
1832 called and wants to remind you of Worcester v. Georgia. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Worcester-v-Georgia
This headline is so fucking wrong it might as well be misinformation…
Like, it’s the same flawed thinking that says there can’t be a communist democracy.
We’re 100% an oligarchy, and a sham if a democracy…
But that’s not new at all, trump is just terrible at hiding shit.
Telling people “America isn’t a democracy” like some just changed isn’t helping anything
Quasi-democracy is probably the best way to put it. To be an outright oligarchy that would have to be a more explicit thing. Instead we have what masquerades as a democracy despite actually functioning as an oligarchy
Instead we have what masquerades as a democracy despite actually functioning as an oligarchy
Just like every other oligarchy…
I’ll never understand why people legitimate think people used to run around saying:
I’m evil, am doing evil things, everyone knows it, but no one will stop me.
Propaganda has been around since Og told everyone Grog just fell over for no reason and hit his head on that rock 5-10 times.
Even back to “real” oligarchs like medieval royalty, none of the peasants thought it was an oligarchy at the time. They thought royalty was chosen by God and who were they to argue with God?
By your metric of people needing to recognize in the moment, we’ve never had an oligarchy and never will, and you don’t even seem to understand that.
The only time the populace realizes they live under an oligarchy is the short time it takes them to have a revolution.
Right like “we have what masquerades as a democracy” so it’s am oligarchy, you’re just too chicken shit to call it that LOL. What’s under the MASK? Or did OP forget what “masquerade” meant ??
He may have cheated to win the last election and he’s at least somewhat likely to run a third time and cheat to win that too.
I don’t really give a fuck about your nuanced opinion on how things were before vs. now.
I don’t really get the thinking that he’ll run for another term. In order to do that, he’d need to not just defy some court order, but throw the constitution out in a way so blatant that even the people not paying attention could see it (given that the two term limit is common knowledge). And if he does that, why would he do it in the form of “I’m running in another election”, even if rigged, rather than just declaring “my term no longer expires, I’m president for life”?
I’m just happy you and others finally woke the fuck up…
Silver linings and all.
But I don’t see how getting pissed at people who saw this coming will help you
Logically you should be apologizing instead and asking for advice…
But if logic was your strong suit, we’d have been having this conversation a decade ago
Lmao burned. The first thing that came to mind when I saw the headline was the experience of southern Blacks trying to vote between 1870 and 1965. The White terrorists made sure America was not a democracy. The thing now is that more of our White brothers and sisters are starting to find out this truth, and it is shocking.
The first thing that came to mind when I saw the headline was the experience of southern Blacks trying to vote between 1870 and 1965. The White terrorists made sure America was not a democracy. The thing now is that more of our White brothers and sisters are starting to find out this truth, and it is shocking.
Still streets behind I’m afraid…
“The Negro Holocaust: Lynching and Race Riots in the United States, 1880-1950” states that, contrary to present-day popular conception, lynching was not a crime committed exclusively against black people. Between the 1830s and the 1850s the majority of those lynched in the United States were whites. From 1882-1968, some 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States (not all lynchings were recorded). Of these, 3,446 or 73 percent were black and 1,297 (27 percent) were white. In other words, whites were the victims of more than one-fourth of all lynchings in the United States.
Now, the first Black man to vote in Alabama (maybe it was Georgia, going off memory) was shot in the back by the Klan. But before they used violence primarily against minorities, they first used it against any white person who was publicly against racism.
But if we’re talking about white people finally figuring this shit out, that was almost 200 years ago.
None of this shit is new, and the reason we’re still having to fight, is people refuse to learn how long we’ve been fighting.
Maybe part of the reason there’s still fighting is that the guy just agreed with you and you were still an argumentative dick about it.
Have to stand up for the Whites in America. They’re the real victims here o7
Black lives matter. They always have. White lives matter, too. The truth is, lives matter.
Lmao all lives matter ok
Huh. Really thought we were making progress …
No worries
Stewart’s cast spoke with a professor who worked with our CIA to develop a predictive model for a country’s destabilization.
She speaks on this and calls us an anocracy. Basically the state of being between democracy and authoritarian which is, predictively, one of two key destabilizing factors.
She further states that by no one’s definition of democracy are we a democracy anymore.
Take that however you like.
Seriously. American liberals still acting totally unaware of what their country is is very on brand.
It’s like taking a submarine to look at the Titanic, spending all day exploring, come back up to the surface…
And with complete and utter sincerity saying:
I’m not sure if that ship really is unsinkable…
Like, progressives have been saying this for well over a decade everywhere.
Did people really forget about the 2016 primary already?
i’ve been hearing about how the electoral college means that the federal government is a sham democracy since 2002, and money as political influence means we live in an oligarchy since the 90s. this is not new, just no one has been listening to the warnings of marginalized people until now when the ruling class deploys fascism to crush dissent
Ross Perot would like to have a word with you, lol
Liberals dismissed the 2016 primary as it was happening, that’s what I remember.
Did they ever stop? I don’t think I’ve ever seen liberals (party or base) grapple with how sinister that primary was.
No, they haven’t, and obviously never will. The narrative seems to have switched to “yeah it sucks but move on already!”
Why the fuck would I move on when the attitude that caused this hasn’t changed at all?The exact same shit could happen today and these guys would do the exact same rhetoric bullshit they did then, so how the fuck am I supposed to be just like “yeah you’re right it’s fine now.”
It’s because it is not an especially significant incident within the framework of the system. Parties are private entities with a long history of shenanigans going back to the very beginning. The parties are actually a lot more “democratic” than they have been at other points in history and the 2016 shenanigans were relatively minor. If Bernie were making a stink about it things would likely be different but he isn’t so only Republicans and their allies still care. What actually matters is state power, specifically how it is organized and wielded has changed in increasingly anti-democratic ways. Liberals are definitely starting to wake up to the reality facing the US, you can see them freaking out with some regularity in various opinion columns over the past several months. The situation hasn’t fully sunk in yet with all of them is all it is, there are many who are still in varying degrees of denial. There’s also a huge number who are somewhat naive, barely pay attention to politics, and are largely ignorant of reality until it becomes unavoidable. As reality becomes increasingly unavoidable we will see more and more of these liberals waking up and getting radicalized. They seem to historically be slow to recognize what is happening and have to be dragged into actually fighting fascism but they should get there eventually.
Parties are private entities with a long history of shenanigans going back to the very beginning.
If you think 2016-2025 was “normal” for a political party…
You either have no idea what that DNC was doing, or are so you g you never saw a DNC before the neoliberals corrupted it.
I don’t think that. If that is what you took away from my comment you may want to try reading it again.
Well maybe you should rewrite it then because calling the things the DNC did “relatively minor shenanigans” makes it seem like you don’t think it was a big deal when it very obviously was.
If you want people to read a wall of text, you might want to start formatting your comments.
Have a nice life tho bud
like some just changed
Some what?
The US briefly experimented with democracy during Reconstruction but that was quickly defeated and it never happened again.
They decided to wait and see if Trump won, and if Homan then accepted bribes. It would be a much more airtight case. So the Biden people handed the investigation off to the Trump people, no doubt holding out the vain hope that the career people would persuade the political people that someone taking a bag of cash was something that ought to be investigated.
The fucking ineptitude of the Liberal elites never ceases to amaze me.
Maybe none of these 1st world nations aren’t what they say they are. Maybe they are more like farms and they have mastered the psychology to convince people not only to be the workers but also the product. Wealthy people making their product pay for itself to supply their greedy habits.
Tip to writers.
Please don’t use regional persian slang for bribe when trying to sound sophisticated.
Context is a clue. They taught you that.
Correct. The US is now one of those shit hole countries Trump keeps talking about.
Welcome to 24 years ago…
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We’re a “republic” with an “electoral” college. We were never a democracy.
Edit: I don’t want a direct democracy. I’m not a republican. I’d prefer communism. Fucking fascists.
The electoral college was designed to protect democracy in times when the people’s vote was easily swayed due to misinformation. Gerrymandering compromised that. Now we have an orange figurehead dismantling our agencies. Why are people disagreeing?
We’re a “republic” with an “electoral” college. We were never a democracy.
Nonsense. That’s the sort of disinformation I see the right trying to spread to defend fascism.
“Democracy” is simply a form of government where the rule or power (kratos) derives from the people (demos). A form where representatives are elected to make decisions is called “representative democracy.”
A “republic” is a form of government that isn’t a monarchy.
We have a representative democratic republic. Our system has its serious flaws, but that doesn’t make it not a democracy.
We don’t have a representative democracy.
According to a Princeton study from like a decade ago no major public policy has reflected public opinion since the end of the civil rights era.
If we were a representative democracy then the will of the demos would be reflected in the government and its decisions. But it’s just not.
In practice the US has been an oligarchy for at least half a century. I suspect it always has been just with brief interludes when people power breaks through like the civil rights era and the new deal.
A republic is like a direct democracy, but instead, you elect officials to represent you. Wtf is this thread?
If you are not 100% in lockstep with the narrative you will be attacked here and accused of being an agent of the enemy.
What’s the “narrative” here, basic understanding of political science?
republic
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- A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president.
- A nation that has such a political order.
- A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.
Xanthrax is using definition 3 while others are using 1. Should have been easy to resolve without vitriol. But maybe you “know what [he’s] doing” and are “just putting that out there”?
We are a republic and a democracy (the latter is questionable now). Just like many other nations in the world.
This is not a new piece of disinformation, it’s been around for a long fucking time. So yes, when I see people parroting these easily disproven lies (and then refuse to accept it when someone corrects them), I tend to question their motives.
There’s zero vitriol in this comment chain. What are you talking about?
That’s their definitions. You’re making us look bad. I don’t care about republican talking points. You do.
A true democracy isn’t even desirable, as it is quite literally mob rule.
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Ok:
A true democracy isn’t even desirable, as it is quite literally mob rule
So, what you mean here, is that you want a small group of people to control everyone else…
And you don’t want them to get those positions of power because the majority of people agree with them…
So like, you know what kind of options that leaves to describe you politically right?
Because it’s 2025, and I can’t tell if you’re just unapologetic about it, or too ignorant to understand what you’re advocating for and meant to say something that wasn’t openly fascist instead of what you actually said.
I don’t want a direct democracy and I’m NOT a republican.
Ughh…
Didn’t expect this old chestnut to show up on lemmy. Usually people here are better informed.
“Democracy” and “republic” are not mutually exclusive. The US is (well was) both.
Australia is a constitutional monarchy but we’re still a democracy.
