“ICE officers roam the streets and kill innocent civilians but 3%er, patriot front, nra and proud boys are silent”
By all means, inform us of all you are doing to help so we can also support things.
Otherwise you’re just trying to feel morally superior
Speaking up is a good start. Having infinite energy for condemnation of every misstep of a bourgeois liberal regime but not a single moment for the condemnation of repression in an authoritarian theocratic regime because it’s “Anti-West” is suspect.
Luckily(/s) many of the usual suspects on here have shown that they have plenty of energy… for condemning the Iranian protests.
Thank you, well said!
I like how you conflate three very different groups of users together and smear half of them as something they’re not.
So when are you flying to iran and joining the protests?
Sorry. What am I supposed to be doing?
Mentioning it? This site is surprisingly a ghost town when it comes to an actual revolution being repressed.
Fly to Iran? Get killed or arrested?
They’re not revolutionizing in the correct revolutionary way, which makes them bourgeoise agents of Western Imperialism.
2500 dead, 10 000 arrested.
Yes, but you see, the US is on their side, which means they’re the bad guys.
Precisely!
Hey man, a broken clock is right twice a day.
On the one hand, sure, the people there should watch out for the possibility that the US or similar tries to get a government satisfactory to them installed if the current one falls.
But on the other hand, it’s not like there’s any mechanism, in a revolution, to collectively declare “you’re not allowed to support us” and have it stick. So if all it takes for a revolution to be illegitimate is the US to declare itself in favor, then the US has the power to delegitimize any revolution it wishes without recourse, which doesn’t make much sense.
My personal problem with this is that we’re not talking about ANY country but specifically about the current US admin which has recently, shitting on all international rules, declared itself to be above international law and kidnapped an foreign leader (yes, he was dictator, but for international laws to be valuable they must treat EVERYONE equal… not only the ones deemed worthy by the biggest bully in the yard). Since this isn’t the first wave of protests but the first one to, apparently, get inhumanely bloody in this magnitude one obvious key factor differing this one from the previous ones is the openly hostile and antidemocratic US admin taking power one year ago.
Taking this factors into consideration it seems highly questionable weather these protests will lead to an overall better situation for the Iranian people… and this outcome would be the only one justifying the blood shed.
People don’t want to repeat their mistake of blindly cheering revolutions just for them to turn into even worse dictatorships afterwards… like it happened in many countries after Arabian spring. Hence the skepticism and caution in my eyes is more a sign of an ability to learn from past mistakes… especially since this time a foreign nation isn’t ,secondarily involved" but repeatedly made actual threats to destabilize the nation in question and is actively threatening with war, not for the people but to fill its own pockets and demonstrate its power.
Its funny since lots of revolutions only really succeeded due to another state actor involved. Imagine being against the Haitian revolution because you think its just some psyop by the Americans to harm the French
edit: To clarify I don’t know if the Haitians NEEDED the US, but the US did help
Its funny since lots of revolutions only really succeeded due to another state actor involved.
Everyone give it up for America’s favorite fighting Frenchman!
Immigrants get the job done. As an aside though Lafayette was kind of badass.
I’m not sure what youre looking for here, validation? Fanfare? Anger?
Good for them. They died fighting for what they believed in and history will remember them kindly. Should we all be so lucky.
Good for them to be murdered by their government for protesting against it? “Lucky”???
Yeah it’s hard for me to do anything from my couch in Nova Scotia.
Almost as if the lemmites “communist, socialist, anarchist” population are fascist authoritarians hiding behind a mask, posing for online clout.
There’s not really a lot of actual socialists here. Tankies and accelerationists far as the eye can see, but surprisingly few socialists.
Plenty of real socialists. Just filter grad, ml, and Hexbear, and the ratio much improves.
I thought the contingency here of leftists and liberals was pretty high?
Leftists yeah, liberals it depends on the instance. The difference between those terms means a lot more here than on reddit. Plenty would argue successfully that liberals aren’t left at all but then we’re getting into anti capitalist theory which isn’t very practical in a capitalist society. But most lemmy communists seem to be of the Soviet and Chinese variety, so you know, not really communist at all but definitely anti capitalist authoritarian.
The “Everything America supports” is bad virus, many such cases. I think Foucoult wrote a bunch of papers in support of the Iran regime when they got rid of the Western backed government (Not to say I support that government). Did not age well…
I’ll take things that never happened for 10 bucks.
In this very fucking thread.
From what I’ve read it sounds like they’re attempting a bourgeois revolution. Historically, it doesn’t bode well for the working class there, and eventually even for the revolutionaries themselves. I’d be happy to be proven wrong though.
I don’t particularly care for the Iranian government (they support Palestine and are anti-imperialist, but they have some really shitty policies at home). That said, the most likely outcome if the revolutionaries succeed is the US installing a puppet fascist government, most likely reinstating the Shah. It can get so much worse from here, just look at Syria.
“Some shitty policies” is an astonishing euphemism for a government just murdered 10k+ protesters and is actively using rape, murder, and maiming as weapons to terrorize its people into compliance.
Most of you here are against personal firearm ownership, make fun of the constant US school shootings, yet expect revolutions to be won against the State with only rocks and cleverly written signs.
I’m confused, are you saying that constant school shootings are a necessary evil? Don’t you think think personal firearm ownership is possible without schools getting shot up constantly? Apologies if I misconstrued your point but that’s what I understood
I tagged them as a Nazi apologist for this comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/21335416
