• boonhet@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    7·
    1 day ago

    Hmm, there aren’t that many noun cases in Finnish, AFAIK our brothers only have one more than we do, or perhaps the same amount. So this isn’t purely conjugation. E.g singular conjugation in Estonian:

    Koer, koera, koera, koera(sse optionally - this one can often be shortened into the previous one, normally has -sse ending), koeras, koerast, koerale, koeral, koeralt, koerani, koerana, koerata, koeraga, koeraks)

    What Suomiball seems to be doing, is adding suffixes. Which we can also do in Estonian:

    Koeralegi - even to the dog (koerale = to the dog, -gi = even), example: “koeralegi tundub see mõte loll” - “it seems like a stupid idea even to the dog”

    Koeratagi - even without the dog, in the same style

    Koeratu - dogless

    Koeratule - to the dogless (singular person still, not cheating! plural would be koeratutele)

    Koeralik - dogly

    Koeratus - the state of being without a dog

    The thing is, each of these new forms I created have all the 14 cases just like the word dog itself. So between “koer”, “koeratu”, “koeratus”, “koeralik”, we can have 56 singular + 56 plural forms and the +gi/ki can be added to any of those just how I added it to two of the original word’s cases, meaning we really have 112 singular + 112 plural forms we can write here…

    • decolo@piefed.socialEnglish
      15·
      2 days ago

      It seems like it’s just compound words, yeah? Looks like a small set of patterns along the lines of

      koi (object) kaan/ko/ni/me/an/etc

      • Rose@piefed.socialEnglish
        22·
        1 day ago

        It’s not a compound word (i.e. two words mashed together), it’s a single word with suffixes.

        koirinennekokaan = koir | i | nen | ne | ko | kaan

        Translates to something like “Even with your dogs?”

        But to be clear, it’s basically a word that is possible through the suffixes but no one actually uses. Even “koirinenne” (with your dogs) sounds a bit too formal. You just can’t say stuff like “painukaa hiiteen siitä koirinenne” (get the heck out of here with your dogs) without a monocle and top hat.

        • Jiral@lemmy.worldEnglish
          15·
          1 day ago

          I’d love to see a Fin with a monocle and top hat saying ““Painukaa hiiteen siitä koirinenne”

        • decolo@piefed.socialEnglish
          4·
          1 day ago

          Really interesting. What makes it too formal? Just an archaic form? How would you make it sound normal?

          • Rose@piefed.socialEnglish
            12·
            1 day ago

            It’s not really a question of it being archaic, because it’s still standard language.

            It’s just that elaborate use of suffixes is more common in literary text, rather than spoken language. So that kind of words tend to stick out. Makes you look book-smart and like.

            In this case, a more common spoken expression would be like “teidän koirien kanssa”. Just breaking up the “optimal” word usage into three words.

          • Deme@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            4·
            1 day ago

            Personally I think it’s just the second person plural there, which can be interpreted as a T-V distinction:

            The T–V distinction is expressed in a variety of forms; two particularly common means are:

            addressing a single individual using the second-person plural forms in the language, instead of the singular (e.g. in French);

            The first person singular forms of the same words (koirinesi, koirinesikokaan) sound a lot less formal to my ear and at least the former I would definitely use if I were talking to some singular person with multiple dogs.

    • Gil, The Shitposter Of Ages@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      23·
      2 days ago

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        • Gil, The Shitposter Of Ages@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          3·
          1 day ago

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