Unveiling this woman is revealing her beauty; it is baring her secret, breaking her resistance, making her available for adventure. Hiding the face is also disguising a secret; it is also creating a world of mystery, of the hidden. In a confused way, the European experiences his relation with the Algerian woman at a highly complex level. There is in it the will to bring this woman within his reach, to make her a possible object of possession.
This woman who sees without being seen frustrates the colonizer. There is no reciprocity. She does not yield herself, does not give herself, does not offer herself.
[…]
The Algerian woman who conceals herself… who sees without being seen… defies the colonial order.
— Frantz Fanon, A Dying Colonialism (1959)
white feminism moment
On the one hand, sure. On the other, fuck religion. I lean harder on fuck religion, but do what you want so long as it doesn’t affect me. Emphasis on that last part.
Exactly. I think that’s the part that needs to be shouted more.
Everyone, regardless of their beliefs, bigotry, racism, whatever… just needs to butt the fuck out of everyone elses business.
Your right to swing your fist ends where someone else’s nose begins.
I don’t give a shit if a racist refuses to have black person over for dinner at their house or a homophobe refuses to attend a gay wedding of a friend’s son or daughter. What they do in their own home is not my concern. Believe what you want. Make your own family miserable if you want to be that kind of asshole.
But the moment you step out of the door, you are part of a society. And in that society, whatever you personally believe means precisely jack shit. So mind…your…own…fucking…business. You have a right to your beliefs. But you do NOT have the right to use those beliefs to hinder someone elses.
Upset that some people are celebrating pride by having a parade? Okay…go home and bitch about it to your wife when you get home, I don’t fucking care. But that’s where your right ends. You have the right to not like it. But you don’t have the right to force everyone else to change to accomodate what you don’t like.
But then again, on the first hand, god wants you to wear a hat
i’m a silly old person so I can actually remember when Muslim Americans were considered one of the most solidly Republican voting blocks in the whole country. I guess that had to do with the prevalence of Muslim small business owners, I think Michigan in particular had one of the most tightly knit communities of Muslim business people. This was pre-9/11 by the way. I do remember when conservatives were neutral to positive on Muslim communities. I even remember when my Lebanese neighbors were considered white people.
After 9/11 the Republican party made Islamophobia their entire platform, whereas the Democrats offered slightly less Islamophobia. The ongoing Democrat support for genocide in Palestine seems to have completely eroded whatever remained of Muslim support for Democrats, so now I don’t even know how voting will go. I remember Michigan had the whole Unaffiliated movement.
They recently got Abdul Al Sayed for Democrat candidate which is a large part of why the Republicans (and CNNocrats) are losing their minds over Michigan now
I mean yeah because I think it signals the voter base doesn’t want zionists
TheBlaze? Is that where Glenn Beck took his dying career?
Hend’s retort is perfect, no notes.
how do they verify their identity?
(this is a genuine question)
Probably by signing their name in a book like literally everyone else?
that’s not a thing where i live, and i’m not sure how that verifies anyone’s identity
there were other valid suggestions in the replies tho
Until relatively recent “voter ID” laws pushed by Republicans as a way of disenfranchising blocs of voters who typically vote Democratic, there was no verification of identity at the polls in the US. Because that was done when the citizen registered to vote. And it worked great as in-person voter fraud is essentially non-existent, and like the four times it happened, the perpetrators got caught and charged (and almost invariably Republican voters, but the projection shouldn’t surprise anyone).
Many (most?) places in the US still do not verify voter identity at the polls.
When I vote, I walk into my polling place, I get into the correct line (usually 3 lines, based on address). When I get to the front of the line, I give the volunteer my first and last name, they page through a book and find my name, next to which is an area for my signature (I could be wrong, but a copy of my signature from the previous time I voted might also be printed next to it). I sign my name, and they give me my ballot and point me in the direction of the next person (feeds the ballot into the machine and I get into the booth).
That’s it. No ID because I provided everything needed when I registered, and maybe I don’t currently have one of the specific types of ID these laws generally list (tied to things like employment and home or car ownership weirdly enough. Curious). Oh the IDs are never free either. And if you don’t have a permanent address to have that ID sent to, then I guess you’re SOL.
A solution to a made up problem, where the “solution” just so happens to demographically help the Republican party by suppressing the vote. Curious.
If you have any actual question that these voter ID laws exist to disenfranchise certain voters, I recommend taking like 30 seconds to Google it. Republicans themselves have admitted that it’s the entire point.
Maybe with their driver license! (cue more shock and horror)
The whole mask debate kind of fell apart during covid though, turns out society just keeps running as normal if people mask their faces.
traditionally when you check someone’s id you’re supposed to match their face to the picture
in-person voter fraud basically doesn’t exist though.
in-person voter fraud is protected by the sheer impracticality of it. Imagine how much effort you would have to go through on voting day to do it, and the most you could possibly do it cast like, what, a dozen extra votes in other people’s names? It just takes too long! That’s why ballot stuffing and fucking with the counting machines are the things people actually worry about.
But a driver’s license has a photo on it, and (I assume) they check to see if it resembles the person standing there presenting it.
Another woman can see their face uncovered.
have a woman in the booth, she can see her face uncovered
You guys don’t use fingerprint?
In my country they send us a letter in the mail. We show them the letter at the polling station and they ask for our birthday to verify and that’s that
in my country we just show our id so that’s why i was curious
In my country is like 3 way.
The id, you sign a book like confirm that you did vote and you can use the fingerprint for the digitalized version of the voting document(is integrated at your id but is a separated thing). If I recall correctly the digitalized version is enough and the other two is more for people that didn’t digitalized yet.
i’ve known people who wear a full face covering and the answer is they have a photo ID of their uncovered face. They use that to register to vote. Polling places only ask your name and perhaps your address when it comes to your identity.
Michigan has required ID to vote for a while. There’s an affidavit you can sign if you have no ID, but not just as an option to not show ID.
Is the article Islamphobic or something? That tweet is pretty neutral
It’s a right wing twitter account intentionally framing two fully veiled women as representing all of Michigan’s voters
Ahhhhh so it’s dog whistle. I would have said “cool to see Muslim voting in America. Diversity is strength” if I decided to engage.
Better to let Islamphobes out themselves
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You have no idea why these particular women choose to dress this way and it’s presumptuous to assume it’s only due to oppression.
Asserting that you know better about what kind of clothing they should wear makes you just as oppressive.
The burqua is kind of a symbol of oppression. Even if they are just wearing out of habit and no one is forcing them to, the whole dress stems from a system of oppression.
I don’t think I have a right to tell them to not wear it, just as much as their family/culture doesn’t have a right to force them to wear it, but let’s not pretend it’s just any other garment, it comes with a lot of baggage.
You also don’t know why these women are wearing it. You don’t know that their family is forcing them to wear it.
Assuming you know better is the problem here.
I think his point was even if they themselves converted to Islam and choose to wear the burqua completely on their own accord, it doesn’t stop it from being a symbol of oppression. IIRC there is nothing in the Quaran about being covered in this way, it’s purely about fascistic control from religious dictators and can’t be divorced from that fact.
Full disclosure, I am not a religious scholar and disdain all religions pretty equally (fuck Mormons in particular though)
Women are allowed to be religious if they want.
One could argue that the blue-haired liberal feminists are also a product of their culture.
Just to be clear, I’m not disagreeing that Islam has some problematic views the same as any religion. But we shouldn’t strive to control women in order to free them from control.
I am with Grimy on this one; I feel the same level of creeped out when I see Pentecostal women in skirts as I do when I see women in burkas. There’s nothing inherently oppressive about skirts but when you see a group of people who are clearly part of a culture that uses them for oppression, whether that individuals oppressed or not, it’s impossible for me to not see it in a different context and be reminded of all the bullshit in the world.
There are 2 women in this picture.
What does that have to do with what I said?
You’re judging 2 women who went to vote. Like you know everything about them and why they wear this.
And your assuming there’s absolutely no cultural or family pressure. What I’m assuming is much more likely, so stop assuming this person is some freedom loving feminist that wears the burka because she wants to.
I know we all look like women hating bigots from your high horse but you might actually be the one wrong her. In any case, it’s still a symbol of oppression that stems from a patriarchal system of oppression.
It’s like seeing someone wearing an Amazon T-shirt and assuming he’s an anarchist. Sure, everything is possible but it isn’t the likeliest assumption.
I’m not going to get into a debate about choice feminism with you on this topic.
These two women don’t owe you any explanation for why they dress this way.
Well then…shut up
You first.
This is such a tired debate.
You do not liberate people by forcing your choices upon them. You are entitled to believe that the garb of their choosing is a tool to oppress them or is symbolic of their oppression or that they haven’t really “chosen it”. But your belief shouldn’t be forced upon them.
If the liberation of women, Muslim or otherwise, is important to you, focus your energy on endeavours which provide community, that offer (voluntary!) education resources on a variety of important topics, that provide safe spaces for women to explore difficult choices and escape difficult situations.
They are so incredibly oppressed and they can only be saved from this oppression by having a white male with European ancestry bomb their house.
“Brown men are oppressing them! They should listen to this white man!”
I was surprised by the Islamophobia when I joined Lemmy. I’m not surprised anymore when users like usualsuspect pop up.
It varies by instance. The instances that liberals decry as the “Takie Triad” (lemmygrad.ml, lemmy.ml, and hexbear.net) are much better about combatting Islamophobia. They’re much better about combatting Western chauvanism in general, really.
They’re terrible about making space for women though and incredibly caustic. I just don’t find it comfortable to be in those spaces even if I agree with a lot of the opinions there.
This is all true.
I don’t recognize their username but am surprised that they don’t seem to be German
I’d guess, based on their instance, likely living in Canada, if not Canadian
Oh look, more comments judging what a woman is wearing as well!
I didn’t even notice that haha.
Once a woman wears too little and is on OnlyFans. Then the woman wears too much and is oppressed.
Usualsuspect cannot make up their mind.
