Please tell me again how these fucks the FUCKS YOU elected “represent us”… y’all need to stop watching the billionaire owned media and understand how fucked up this shit is and do better use your critical thinking skills (if you have ANY) which are lacking right now and it’s savage that y’all don’t even know it!!!
“Obama’s policies aren’t gonna kill us.” It’s 100% Trump because he’s willing to put America citizens at risk of his billionaire friends!!
I am done being a millennial trying to work my ass off while I am dealing with crisis after crisis after national crisis after crisis after crisis, we can only do so much in own generation and y’all keep blaming us for this shit! It’s savage!!!
Stop telling us healthcare cannot be a thing where we are paying billions for wars that we don’t even believe in!!!
So what happens now? Do those Democrat senators provide their own swords to fall on, or do they get beheaded? What’s the protocol here for senators who have failed as entirely as they have?
Violence generally doesn’t get what you want out of the system.
History largely proves otherwise…
Very recent history shows Republican senators are almost entirely to blame.
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You can cause change but its very difficult to know what change will be when it happens.
Yeah, that was 200 years ago. We have better ways to handle things now.
no, we really don’t. 200 years is nothing on the scale of humanity. We have Nazi’s resurging, the south trying to rise again. We have peaceful protests trying to be outlawed and the administration regularly calling for the death of their opponents.
None of this will change without the thread of violence, and likely they’ll call on that.
The violent coup in DC a few years ago was just them telling us they were ready to be violent.
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Diplomacy, conflict resolution, etc. Not really motivated to fight against the tide of lemmy people sipping koolaid. But if you step outside the echo chamber, it’s mostly common sense.
Kinda funny how you’re talking about an echo chamber when you yourself are just repeating the mainstream media talking points about diplomacy. There is a reason why they promote peaceful solutions, it’s because they’re easier to ignore or quash.
How is wanting to avoid civil war “mainstream”? I mean sure, go and promote revolution from the comfort of your climate controlled box with modern amenities, detached from the horrors of war. The feds have tanks.
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Right, that’s why I brought up the seppuku first.
That’s still a violent thing to wish on people.
The capability for violence should peaceful means fail does
Violence generally doesn’t get what you want out of the system.
Changes made during peace only last until someone willing to be violent undoes them.
Changes must come with a small amount of fear of retribution on reversal, or capitalism/authoritarianism will come and eat your lunch.
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The American Revolution, the violent uprising that gave these assholes governmental power, proves otherwise.
Though the ideas espoused for the revolution might be grand, the cause and motivation behind those who joined the revolution was purely monetary.
- Rich didn’t like being taxed so they made their slaves join the army.
- George Washington didn’t like the fact that the British having lost the French Indian war made a pact with the Indians which stopped his business of prospecting.
The American revolution was a war of businessmen against the government in England. The government was and is the same; in the past only rich, land owning white men could vote or form government. Now it is the corporations or rich white men.
Wasn’t saying they were good or bad. Just that revolution is violent and it works
There have been a few that weren’t violent, too. Portugal, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine getting rid of their Russian-installed quisling, South Korea.
I say this as an American. Half the “Founding Fathers” were slave owners and did not see a problem with subgrating other humans into forced labor. The American enterprise has been a business all the way back to the first white man setting foot on this continent. I guess I just proved you talking point.
“How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?”
as Samuel Johnson argued during the American revolution. Apologies for unenlightened 18th-century language.
It is OK. I got my Masters in 18th and 19th century lit. Johnson was right on the money with that quote and I say that as an American.
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Chuck Schumer is a piece of shit
The leader of the minority party is a piece of shit for…not convincing enough members of the majority maga party to vote against party lines ?
If someone from the right had said this, you would think they’re irrational cultists just trying to support their cult. I used to think the left is the way to go, but after coming here, not so much.
To these people, he’s a piece of shit no matter what. They’ve decided that “establishment” Democrats are even more of an enemy than Republicans. No matter what Schumer does, they will always criticize him for it.
Yeah apparently so. -7 downvotes (and counting) for me trying to figure out why they’re blaming the minority leader for this…I am so confused.
I’m not sure if this is maga on lemmy trying to make the dems look bad, or if it’s russian trolls pretending to be dem supporters sick of the establishment or something else but whatever it is, putin has definitely got what he paid for.
The way a lot of people act on here, I hope you’re right. Because it gives a VERY bad impression of the left. It feels much more “MAGA” than I’d like.
You’re right though, if I were a Russian troll, the “stupid liberal” would be the character I’d choose.
Schumer didn’t cave.
please, there are two options here, neither is good for Schumer. Either, he’s ineffectual party leader (whether by not knowing or not having control)… OR he orchestrated it to maintain “plausible” deniability.
I strongly suspect we have a significant number of Dino sleepers in Congress. Either outright sleepers or close enough to simply be purchasable or blackmailable.
I strongly suggest you’re an idiot that chooses to believe things without proof because it “feels right”. The EXACT same logic as Trumpers.
Well look at that, a wild block appeared
So you want a “party leader” to literally control all other politicians in their party? That’s representative democracy to you? What “control” is he supposed to have?
What a stupid fucking argument. He doesn’t have a goddamn mind control device and Senators are individuals that make their own decisions.
Just admit the truth. You criticize Schumer BY DEFAULT no matter what he does. That’s what this boils down to. He did exactly what you said you wanted him to do and now you’re moving the goalposts. You are literally incapable of admitting that he did something you agree with.
Yeah what a coincidence that all the representatives that broke the shutdown weren’t up for re-election next time. Very convenient! I’m sure there was zero coordination to decide who would break rank.
But even if there wasn’t any of that, Chuck still bears responsibility for the failure of the shutdown even if you don’t want to admit it.
Chuck led the shutdown. For better or for worse, it failed to accomplish its goal. Ultimately more responsibility falls on him as minority leader than anyone else. It’s not insane to want someone who coordinates a major gambit like a government shutdown to be capable of keeping the other representatives from breaking rank to accomplish the goal of the shutdown. Coordinating votes is literally a huge part of the job as majority or minority leader. It’s disingenuous to say expecting a party leader in the house to line up votes is contrary to representative democracy.
Just admit the truth, you’ll suck Chuck off no matter what he does. You’re literally incapable of not sucking his dick
He literally gave the republicans what they wanted in exchange for a vote that would make zero material difference in the lives of his constituents.
He is the leader, but couldn’t or wouldn’t whip his party to hold the line, and defended the perfidious weasels who caved.
defended the perfidious weasels who caved.
Another fucking lie from the “virtuous far left”. He criticized their votes.
What the fuck are you talking about? NO HE DID NOT. He was NOT one of the Democrats who voted to end the shut down.
You know being progressive isn’t an excuse to be downright dishonest, right?
OK, if he didn’t approve of their votes, what has he done to punish the democrats who did? Nothing at all? Weird.
Ok do you’ve abandoned your original premise, proving you’re a lying sack of shit.
On the your next point, Schumer isn’t a fucking school principal dumbass, how is he going to “punish” them? What the fuck do you think a minority/majority leader does exactly?
Fake fucking progressives gloating about sinking Democrats and letting Trump run wild.
My premise is that he was responsible for the party he leads caving, hence why the ones who actually voted weren’t punished.
He can punish them be taking them off committee assignments. The most basic function of a political party is to be able to negotiate as a bloc.
People with terminal illnesses and wounds are not bound by any law of this world. They are completely free to do anything their hearts desire with no regard to the consequences.
The AP article says the democrats “forced” a shutdown over the issue
Subtle but that’s how we know all media is fascist
They’ll shamelessly fuck us over on cost of living, then turn around and whine like a bunch of little crybabies about declining fertility rates.
Hey everyone, just buy TWO pencils for your kids. Having 37 pencils was obviously keeping you from being able to afford health care. THANKS, OBAMA!
Also, if you are not a billionaire or at least a centimillioniare, it is your fault! Too much avocado toast, having a daily latte, a large screen TV, a smart phone, and Netflix, I think.
healthcare should be free
My employer provided insurance didn’t go up much this year, I can’t wait for it to go up 40% next year.
This is all so dumb. We need socialized healthcare. If we did that and took all of the unnecessary grift/overhead and put it into research, we would probably be even better off.
You can focus on and fault the decision here, but the actual systemic failure is that a decision on the subsidies should have been finalized well ahead of the open enrollment start date, which was nearly six weeks ago on November 1st, 2025. The federal government has failed us (Republican controlled at this time so no surprise there) by waiting until there’s less than 4 days for American citizens to make a decision – the deadline is literally December 15th, 2025.
The ACTUAL failure was not switching to a nationalized single-payer system.
Time to start framing it to the idiots that the cost increase is from “kickin all the illegals off of insurance” that they were never on.
If ya wanna get real racist with it, talk about how they grew up fighting mosquitos to get a drink of sewage water so they come to america and never get sick and just pay into the system.
I’m shocked!
Also, fuck you congress repubs, and fuck you Schmucker.
Schumer didn’t cave. He didn’t vote to end the shutdown. Put the blame where it belongs.
AHAHAHAHAHA, must be one big fucking coincidence that all the people who caved aren’t up for re-election this next round, huh?
Totally not a co-ordinated cave
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So you have no proof whatsoever. You guys are essentially Trumpers just on the opposite end of the political spectrum. Factual reality just does not matter to you. Just “vibes”. It’s absolutely pathetic.
First and foremost, he voted against it. You have no proof that he only did so because he coordinated with others to vote for it. That’s a conspiracy that you have concocted because you HAVE to believe Schumer is evil because you’ve already decided that he is.
He opposed it on the floor. He was NOT part of the group of Democrats that negotiated with Republicans.
The shut down was ended by the choice of individual Senators, not a party-wide dictum. The reasons they gave, right or wrong, were based on their constituencies. Some over SNAP. Some because they represent a good deal of federal workers and got concessions from Republicans on that front.
Durbin said Schumer had nothing to do with it and that Schumer was “not happy” about it.
Only Durbin and Shaheen have said they’re retiring at the end of their current term. That’s only 2 out of the 8 Democrats that voted fort he stopgap.
Schumer is your boogeyman “establishment” scapegoat that you have NO ISSUE being blatantly dishonest about because you think your particular misinformation and conspiracy theories are morally justified. They’re not.
You guys will stop at nothing to continue to ensure Republicans destroy this country.
First and foremost, he voted against it. You have no proof that he only did so because he coordinated with others to do so.
Lol, this your first time following national politics on a controversial issue? Or are you naive enough to think that a POLITICIAN won’t play POLITICS? You’re right that I have no proof, but the Democratic party has long lost the benefit of the doubt in my mind. I still vote for them because there’s no other option, but I’m not going to pretend like their shit doesn’t stink.
You guys will stop at nothing to continue to ensure Republicans destroy this country.
Classic response for pointing out how CONVENIENT the expected democratic belly roll ends up being. Also, way to completely disregard the actual point while you’re busy defending the shit moves the Dems make
must be one big fucking coincidence that all the people who caved aren’t up for re-election this next round, huh?
Only Durbin and Shaheen have said they’re retiring at the end of their current term. That’s only 2 out of the 8 Democrats that voted fort he stopgap.
Most, but not all, previously held state-level office — including four former governors. Most, but not all, come from presidential swing states. Two have announced they are retiring from the Senate after their current terms end, and two are senior members of the Senate Appropriations Committee.
None are up for reelection in 2026.
But yeah, the person who wants the democratic party to fight for the people instead of rolling over is totally wanting the republicans to win.
Go back to the circus 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
He wanted to be the leader, and he was the leader of the ones who chose to end the shutdown. Either he orchestrated it or he has no control. Either way, fuck him
Being a leader doesn’t mean the rest of the Senators in his party are his slaves that have to do his bidding. Republicans break ranks sometimes too. It happens because Senators focus on their constituency because that’s what keeps them in power.
Yeah fuck him, not the people who actually voted to reopen the government. That makes sense. Using scapegoats instead of those who are actually to blame. Using emotion instead of logic. It’s pathetic.
There is literally nothing Schumer could do that wouldn’t result in you criticizing him, made plenty clear by the ridiculous stretch you’re taking here. You’ve prejudged any action he could take. He’s the evil “establishment” Democrat that people like you have decided are worse than Republicans. Just admit the truth.
He caved in exchange for a vote he knew would fail and logrolled the votes so that the I’ll informed would think he didnt have a hand in it.
The shutdown was painful, but what comes next will be a lot more painful.
He caved
No, he did not cave because he did not vote for the stopgap. He was not involved in the group of Democrats that negotiated with Republicans. Saying he “caved” is 100% false.
for a vote he knew would fail
The vote passed, it didn’t fail. Somehow I’m not surprised that such fundamental details are lost on you. Assuming you meant he knew that it would pass, you have no proof whatsoever to back up the assertion that he only voted against it due to that and not due to other reasons. No, your hatred of Schumer and “establishment” Democrats is not proof.
Angus King isn’t even a Democrat.
logrolled the votes so that the I’ll informed would think he didnt have a hand in it.
You guys can’t seem to decide if Schumer is all-powerful or completely powerless.
The shutdown was painful, but what comes next will be a lot more painful.
I agree. Ending the shut down was a mistake and killed momentum they had gained from recent elections. Not too mention giving credence to the idea that they’re weak. The eight Senators who voted for the stopgap are the ones we should be criticizing but I never see them named in these threads. You’re not interested in the truth, you’re only interested in furthering your agenda.
You’re deliberately misreading what I said, and if you think that he didn’t know or wasn’t part of the negotiation as to exactly who was going to vote to end the shutdown amongst senators who wanted it to end but didn’t want their fingerprints on it, I have several pieces of waterfront property for sale. For their part, senators Durbin, King, Hassan, Shaheen, Masto, Rozen, Fetterman and Kaine should not have a place within the Democratic party (Also Manchin, Sinema had she not already fucked off of her own accord).
If you want to be a pedant, there has been no vote on the ACA subsidies other than a failed cloture vote. The vote to re-open the govt passed. The agreement to have a vote on the ACA subsidies was the “compromise” that was the condition of voting to pass the appropriations bill and end the shutdown.
Schumer is neither all-powerful or completely powerless, but he is the leader of his party in the Senate, so he is ultimately responsible for actions taken by Senate democrats. He is either insufficiently committed or insufficiently competent, for the family who’s health insurance costs become unaffordable, it doesn’t really matter which.
Dems are weak because they can’t win elections because they fail to deliver results (because they can’t win elections). The shutdown was the only real lever that they were able to pull unilaterally, they picked the right hill to die on, and ultimately accomplished nothing.
My agenda is being able to leave my job for a year to focus on finishing a degree and a couple of professional licenses without completely wiping out what little savings I’m able to scrape together by delaying every other financial goal and for my peers to have an easier time with similar hard choices. Whatever makes that happen, yeah, I’m fine with.
Word on the hill was he was trying to get people to vote for it, but didn’t want to put his name on it after all the backlash last time. No way to confirm this tho
Look at the people who voted to end the shutdown: no one who’s up for re-election this next cycle.
Either Schumer is one hell of a terrible leader, or there was a very obvious attempt at co-ordinating the vote to take advantage of voters’ (lack of) long term memory.
6 of the 8 are due in 2028, just a bit more than two years away. Senators serve a 6 year term. Voters would have to support a primary challenge, possible but difficult. It would have to be based entirely on their decision to fund the stopgap, which would be tough as they can give their reasoning as to how they thought they were helping constituents. Given the power of incumbency, I have serious doubt many of them were worried about being voted out a year later. You’re right about the memory of the voters, it is short and 12 months is a long time.
Schumer being a “leader” doesn’t mean he controls other Senators. That’s just not how it works. Senators are accountable to their constituency, not the informal leader of their party. These Senators did not consult with Schumer because they DIDN’T HAVE TO. They are federally elected Senators and can think and act according to their own logic.
In fact, demanding this kind of conformity or slavish adherence to a single leader is something you’d likely criticize if you saw it happening on the other side of the aisle.
“word on the hill” sounds like nonsense that conveniently supports a predisposed argument. People who have already decided that Schumer and “establishment” Democrats are the enemy will jump on anything that feeds their confirmation bias.
These people aren’t looking at the facts and coming to a conclusion. They’ve come to a conclusion are only looking for “evidence” that confirms it.
Nuance is a lemmy antagonist. Just so you know.
How is the electoral reform campaign going in your state rhoeri? I know you hate the spoiler effect that comes with First Past The Post voting, given your prolific commenting about 3rd parties. You do want to do something about the spoiler effect right?
Always looking forward to your status updates buddy.
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
Loving the spam guy. Wouldn’t be lemmy without it.
This place has shown me that disregard for facts isn’t solely a problem on the right.
Let it rip apart the Red Oblasts. They voted for the fucking mess.
put this on top of the fact that the trump admin also announced they were forcing large amounts of student loan borrowers in missouri (misery) off the save plan
❌ the system is broken
✔️ the system is working as intended
abolish the senate
