Independent Senator Bernie Sanders floated Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as a potential presidential candidate in the 2028 elections, saying that even though it’s “her decision to make,” she is a “very, very good politician.”
Speaking to Axios, Sanders said that he has been “out on the streets with her” and noticed how she responds when people come up to her. “It’s so incredibly genuine and open.”
Ocasio-Cortez is seemingly positioning herself to run for higher office, whether it is challenging Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer for his seat or to make a run for president.
I would like to say: clinton didn’t lose because she’s a woman, she lost because she’s a sleazeball. harris didn’t lose because she’s a woman, she lost because she was courting the right wing for some reason. AOC can win because she’s not a sleazy right winging neolib. I’d vote for her for president.
AOC can win because she voted against the rail unions. This pleases the donors
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but don’t underestimate the role of misogyny. A commentator on a podcast i listen to was in the US in the run-up to the last election and they said that something they heard over and over again in the people they talked to was variations on “i hate Trump and everything he stands for, but i couldn’t trust the country to a woman”
Both Harris and Clinton position themselves as more of the status quo. Trump both time always positions himself as an outsider who taps into to racism and white rage. The only time you can win off a status quo type deal if the Dem admin was doing amazing during when they had power.
Yea, republicans piss on you and say it’s that guy, Dems piss on you and say it’s raining.
Atleast piss in my mouth and we’ll all be happy
Republicans eat asparaguses before pissing on you, Dems eat pineapple.
What you said is true. But any woman, even a great one, is going to have a tougher time than a man would. Sexism is still a problem in this country.
Sexism and racism. It’s absolutely foolish for anyone to think that Americans won’t abstain from voting, or worse vote against a woman or a non-white person. It’s abysmal to think about, but it’s true.
If a woman or a non-white person runs, there will be a subset of the population who refuse to vote for them specifically because of their race or gender.
It’s why the republicans always run an old white male asshole, because no one refuses to vote for old white male assholes specifically out of principle, but a large amount of people (larger than you or I would likely think) will absolutely vote against a woman or a non-white person specifically due to their race or gender.
It’s like you guys forget that Barrack Hussein Obama lead us to the largest victory in recent memory. The black guy with the Muslim name less than a decade from 9/11. He just never happened because if you tried to account for him, your whole theory would look like a steaming load.
I didn’t say that they couldn’t win, just that it was an additional hurdle a white man wouldn’t have. But I appreciate your strawman all the same, it is almost halloween.
Oh, are we gearing up for another round of “Let’s smear one party over an issue that neiher cares about”? I love that! Worked so well last time. Sabotaging the dems in the name of progress and human rights in order to get Trump to tear down both of them.
The things that matter for an election are the things that the election can change. Support for Zionist atrocities is not one of those things. Focus on the things where they actually are different, because there are a lot of other important problems at stake.
You won’t help Palestine by propping up Republicans.
I know my audience don’t worry. Many people don’t want anything to do with zionism and they deserve to know these basic information. You don’t like the truth? talk to AOC and his zio friends Bernie.
Do you mind giving an alternative for the record?
Afaik Bernie has been the most outspoken advocate for Palestine in US Congress.
Im asking you seriously because otherwise you are just noise. The domestic issues are far more important to the average US voter than the atrocities being committed in Gaza by Israel.
I’m going to lose all my karma. But the democrats don’t need a pretty face.They need a freaking platform.
she really doesn’t have a chance anyway.She’s too polarizing. Clinton was same the same way.
We need to beat the republicans, not keep throwing them.Elections. also our identity politics are cringeworthy
Let me join you in the karma loss:
Hillary Clinton: Lost to Donald Trump
Joe Biden: Beat Donald Trump
Kamala Harris: Lost to Donald Trump
There are too many Christian swing voters that will NOT vote for a female President, full stop, and that is baked into the Christian psyche. Christians are taught that Woman was first deceived by the serpent and disobeyed God first, and afterwards she took on the role of the serpent and directly tempted Man. It’s why they do not elect a woman into ANY leadership roles within the church.
I don’t know how many times the Democrats need to lose to learn this lesson, but the fact that nobody recognizes any of this doesn’t bode well.
Support for what ever she decides is next, although I feel like the senate would be a better step. However the democrats dont really have a face to back that isnt some centerist that thinks its ok to play with the bully after they have taken your lunch money or someone that is older than Wonder Bread ™.
They are going to basically offer her Chuck’s Senate seat, unopposed, as long as she doesn’t go after the nomination that they have already awarded to Newsom. He’s the Next One Up!
Nooooooo!
He literally pushed to make being unhoused a crime.
Newsom is fine. The right smears him and California almost as much as they did HRC. Don’t go along with their propaganda.
Lol the DNC has chosen Newsom as the new golden boy.
The DNC would run the corpse of Hillary Clinton again before letting a progressive have power.
I would love for AOC to actually be allowed to be voted on, because she would probably win the popular vote like progressives almost always do.
Zionist endorses zionist.
Oh shit the ML are back to destroy the left because they love MAGA. It’s been a while since I saw an ML account. Yall ramping back up for the midterm manipulation?
Non an american but I feel like US needs a revolutionary candidate to come back from Trump. It has to be someone strong enough to put nazis back into their place.
It’s still early to talk about this though right? From what I understand the upcoming midterms will shape everything else.
I think that plenty of people who voted for Trump would be fine voting for a woman president as long as she’s strongly advocating change
These people just know that things aren’t great, they don’t know whose fault it was or what policies caused it. So they vote for the person who says they’ll change the most.
The largest deciding factor stated by people after voting was the economy. People remembered that there was a lot of inflation under Biden, and didn’t want to keep similar policies. Of course, we know that Trump’s first term had a pretty large influence on the state of the economy under Biden, and Biden’s policies probably didn’t hurt the economy. But the average voter is not that informed.
I think that plenty of people who voted for Trump would be fine voting for a woman president
I’m sorry, but this is based on what, exactly? I know you didn’t base it on historical data. Trump won against Hillary Clinton, a woman, lost against Joe Biden, a man, then won against Kamala Harris, a woman.
2016 turnout for Clinton/Trump: 128,837,949
2020 turnout for Biden/Trump: 155,507,476
2024 turnout for Harris/Trump: 152,319,643
3,187,833 fewer people turned out for the Harris/Trump election.
That’s two data points influenced by countless other factors. Like the economy, which I mentioned.
And the status quo liberals will coalesce like Voltron to stop her just like they did with Bernie.
Taking the L a bit early no?
Pointing out your most strident opponents tired strategy is hardly acquiescing to it.
Yeah they aren’t powerful enough to stop candidates any more.
Things have changed.
AOC supports Israel. We cannot have pro-Israel candidates. If AOC is the candidate, I’m not voting for her.
Grow the fuck up, you’re not a child anymore
Yes let’s split the left some more 👍
That’s what leftists want. There is zero unity on the left. I get mobbed on here for saying I’ll vote as far left as I can before I’m forced to vote centrist. It’s a reality. We’ve faced that reality three cycles in a row now. The right has nothing but unity. I’ll vote for a leftist female as far as I can. Will the rest of the left?
Artificial dichotomies are unfortunately a consequence of the voting system. Would you consider voting for her if the Republican rival was just as pro-Israel or more? Or slightly more pro-Palestine but very much against you in many other issues?
I have had this discussion many times. They do not seem to understand that not voting for Dems because of Israel just enables Bibi’s buddy who is currently tearing down the White House.
Look what not voting has done you stupid fucking ingrain.
Go throw yourself in the line of fire, it will literally do less damage to all the people that the Nazi pigstate is doing to America right now.
Holy fucking shit you people are so pathetically useless.
There’s so many of them on Lemmy it’s wild. These little fucks better get out and vote for the Democrat whether it’s a centrist or not. The alternative is GOP. I seriously don’t get what they don’t get.
There’s exactly 0 politicians opposing Israel in all of USA. Which one do you think should run for president?
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I’m sure just one more centrist moderate trying to appeal to Republicans will definitely work this time…
In all seriousness, we (as Americans & people world-wide) desperately need genuine Progressives like AOC & Bernie. They are the only ones that consistently hard work hard to advance big, bold action that would actually help improve working people’s lives!
I don’t think it’s a matter of her being ready, I think it’s that she has a real chance of beating schumer, whereas with the presidency, I’m not even sure she could even manage to win the primary. If an old white dude like Bernie couldn’t beat Hilary and Biden, what chance does a Latina woman in her 30s have?
If Mamdani is an indication of anything, people will vote for leftist economic populism despite there being racial divides.
In the past few weeks and months, we saw in New York City that the majority of Jewish people still support Israel over Palestine. Yet, Mamdani has consistently pulled a plurality of Jewish support with double digit leads over the other candidates.
What this means is that Jewish people are just like any other American, and they are feeling the effects of this shit economy caused by Trump. Mamdani represents a bandaid to that more than the other candidates, so they’re going with that and ignoring Mamdani’s anti-Zionist and anti-Israel policy.
I don’t think it matters what candidate you push a campaign for if they run on Left populism. As we’ve seen with Platner in Maine, though, being a white male veteran doesn’t hurt either.
Mamdani is running for mayor of NYC.
NYC has had a majority (not a plurality) of votes go to Democrats in the presidential election back to 1952 and the last time republicans had a plurality was 1924. NYC is, sadly, not representative of the US as a whole. Also, he was going up against a man who may have surpassed ted cruz in terms of “unlikeable mother fucker”-ness
As we’ve seen with Platner in Maine, though, being a white male veteran doesn’t hurt either.
Platner is… a giant fucking mess. He has more red flags than fucking fetterman did (fun fact: He was batshit insane as far back as when he met Anthony Bourdain…), one of which being the nazi skull tattoo he had on his chest for 20 years and only removed once he was forced to during his, what, 3 months of a political career? Not to mention him having willingly joined Blackwater and his VERY questionable statements on sexual assault and his use of homophobic slurs as recently as 2020.
But, he kissed Sanders’s ring so he has the “socialist” vote and establishment Democrats support him for whatever reason (which should raise a LOT more red flags but…). And while I am not invested enough to personally verify, a few colleagues I have out in Maine insist that Smith-Rodriguez was basically the same platform but with actual details and action plans but eventually pulled out to support the mayor (?) on the grounds of platner’s horrific stances on sexual assualt and her being a victim of assault in the military.
I don’t think it matters what candidate you push a campaign for if they run on
LeftpopulismEditorialized that a bit but… I think that is the real key. The vast majority of people don’t actually care about policy or even basic human rights. They just want populist candidates. And that is not just limited to the US.
Which REALLY fucking sucks because… I’ve been incredibly critical of AOC’s career and I think she was THIS close to wearing clown shoes with the rest of The Squad. But she has demonstrated that she has strong political acumen. And when she does do shitty stuff, she actually owns up to it on social media/direct to constituents videos.There is always the need for MASSIVE grains of salt with any politician but… AOC seems to kind of be exactly what we should want out of a democracy. Someone who cares and has grand ambitions but also understands they are a servant of the people and speaks to The People.
She just was born too late considering both sides are very much at “I can excuse being a Nazi but I draw the line at… I’ll get back to you on that”
Honestly, I think she has a great chance. People didn’t not vote for Hillary because she was a woman. It’s because she represented the establishment and inspired nobody. People didn’t not vote for Harris because she was a woman. It’s because she represented the establishment and inspired nobody.
AOC is a candidate who seems to actually represent change. She seems to listen to the desires of the people and follow that. She doesn’t just do what the donors demand. She has a chance because she does inspire people to see what could be, not just to repeat what is.
So then why did anyone vote for Biden, who represented the establishment and inspired nobody?
I’m not a political analyst, but my guess would be hope that he would be better. He proved that he wasn’t, which allowed Trump to come back because, despite everything, Trump did make promises to change things for regular people. Yes, they were lies, fear mongering, and about attacking a made up enemy, but he at least said something to make people think he would help them.
Because Biden was representing the establishment when they weren’t in power and the Republicans were actively blowing it. And he did a lot worse than he should have. That shouldn’t have been a squeaker election.
Because it was 2020 during the height of a botched Covid response and a few months after George Floyd. And Biden barely won. If you do the math, it was about 21,500 people across three states that determined the outcome, where them voting for Trump instead of Biden would have been an electoral tie that would have been decided by Pence. That’s a technical margin of 0.012% that Trump electorally lost by.
If an old white dude like Bernie couldn’t beat Hilary and Biden, what chance does a Latina woman in her 30s have?
I mean, if you completely ignore the DNC doing everything legally in their power to get in the way of Bernie and force feed Hilary in the first place… because they can’t allow anyone vocal about actual progressive ideas in a position of party power… yeah that’s what it looks like. But that’s a pretty big thing to just ignore.
I’m not ignoring that, that’s one of the massive hurdles she would have to overcome
AOC will need to clear the DNC hurdle whether she runs for House, Senate, or Admin. Look at Platner
Not legally. The head of the DNC had to resign, and their lawyers argued in court that because they were a private organization they didn’t have to follow their own rules.
No one was prosecuted so it was effectively deemed legal. That’s the end result.
So let her try to win the primary. If she doesn’t win, what difference would it make?
Bernie’s problem was that he wasn’t a democrat. I voted for him but I know a lot of people, like my parents, who are center-left who simply refused to vote for somebody who didn’t caucus with democrats. These are the same people who are already looking at people like Newsom.
Edit for clarification: I understand that the Bernie is considered to caucus with the democrats because he generally votes with them. However, those who used the term disparagingly as I referenced above don’t believe independents can caucus with any party and used that as an excuse to refer to him as a DINO and not caucusing or being required to caucus.
Your parents aren’t “center-left” if they didn’t vote for Bernie.
They’re saying this because they are bots
I hate that my thoughts on this need to waffle between:
(A) who do I think would be the best president, and
(B) who do I think has the most strategic chance of beating the GOP puppet candidate.
The question itself is BS.
And only liberals ask that.
We need candidates with bold ideas, who aren’t trying to compromise with corporations and bigots.
And just like we have seen with Hillary and Kamala, no one wants to vote for career politicians in corporate pockets.
I’m not sure she has the thunder she had in 2018. BUT If she calls for a general strike in the next 6 weeks, and then starts to be the lead organizer of said strike, she’s my gal. I really hope she learns from Bernie in specifically how he’s organized his national campaigns.
2018 was different I don’t blame her for being more outspoken then. I agree with the other commentor that she should run for senate. She’ make an excellent senate majority leader. If there’s still no female president by 2036 she’d probably be a layup at that point.
I don’t share the view that sexism is what is blocking a female president in the US; I think being an inauthentic corporate sellout is what has, so far, blocked a female president in the US. So that doesn’t factor in for me.
2028, should there be an election, is 100% in play for AOC.
And that actually is my biggest concern with AOC. Pelosi worked hard, from 2018-2020 to ice the FUCK out of AOC. And AOC stayed strong and outspoken. In fact, AOC in some ways was representing real leadership. When AOC ran again, won again, Pelosi instead of resisting, worked to bring her into the fold. And the strength of AOC’s rhetoric has diminished substantially. And AOC has become less and less outspoken and willing to target Democrats with criticism and become more and more of a “team player”. Now I’m not saying AOC is cooked, but she’s definitely on the stove.
I saw this coming a mile away and I hope she does win the Presidential Election to break barriers and to end the nonsense going on currently.
Problem is the conservatives will argue/debate no woman should be in power followed by countless historical references to prove their point. Then someone will show even more historical references of conservatives causing twice to three times the issues. This will turn into one giant circle jerk of why they (conservative) won’t listen to a woman when they don’t even listen to their own parents.
The greater risk isn’t misogynist republicans IMO, it’s misogynist liberals who will cynically use her gender and ethnic background as examples of her unelectability instead of addressing their opposition to her populist agenda.
“I don’t take issue wither her being a woman, but dumb rural americans will, so we can’t nominate her”
Every time a populist candidate gains momentum in the democratic party, democrats suddenly become greatly concerned about electability. See: Obama, Sanders, Mamdani, Fatah, ect.
Maybe if democrats placed as much emphasis on a popular policy agenda as they do on identity, they wouldn’t have as much of an electability problem.
It was wild seeing the libs blame lower turnout among black people for Hillary’s loss.
At no point did they question what policies lowered turnout, or address that white people, including women, voted Trump.
Yep. I would love AOC to win but there’s no chance in America for that to happen. Our populace is deranged.
She’d face the exact same misogyny that Harris did, the difference though would be she’d have a strong enthusiastic volunteer base behind her. I think if the election is fair she’d have very good odds.
We tried Clinton. We tried Harris. I know the conditions are different, but do we really want to risk it when abject fascism is the consequence?
I think having an authentic populist voice is more important than any race or gender considerations. We simply don’t have another candidate that can do this as credibly as AOC. I think if she runs, in the primary, she’ll handily beat out Newsom, Pritzker or any other white guys in the party who are in a position to run.
Yes!? Clinton was the worst possible candidate for that election and Harris just isn’t a good politician and was utterly sabotaged from Biden among other things waiting waaaaay too long to drop out.
We tried neoliberal. We tried neoliberal. Can we really risk it when fascism is the consequence?
Notice how you only focus on a single one of their shared characteristics to say it’s too risky?
Acting like the average American even knows what a neoliberal is. Lol!
They didn’t know terminology. They know it’s boring and doesn’t help them.
You’re making my point for me while trying to be contrarian.
Running a milqtoast centrist is just fascism with extra steps. They will do nothing of substance and then people will vote for fascists to enact change.
I agree but the issue isn’t what is right. It’s about getting the candidate over the finish line.
I’m not going to go for fascism with extra steps when there is even the slightest chance of something better.
So when the primary is done and the candidates are a centrist vs fascist, you’re going to sit out?
The people who would especially hate her would never vote for a non-republican anyway so ya’ll just need to get over it and just go for all-in.
Utterly boring “safe” candidates on the supposed left is how we got here in the first place. Give me a straight-up Marxist, just not with that messaging. And who would they be running against, Vance? Ha
Third female candidate in four election cycles. I dunno, feels like we are asking to lose. And again, I would love to vote for her. Just don’t think the populace can muster it. I have lost all faith in Americans. The hope from Obama’s terms is completely gone.
Obama was charismatic. Clinton and Harris were not. That’s the killer difference between them, not that “black/Muslim” was somehow an easier demographic to sell than “woman”.
It literally was easier to sell. I dunno how much evidence Americans need to see before they understand that there is a strong bias against female leaders. Especially for president… wild that so many on here think these are principled decisions people are making rofl.
Yea, it wasn’t the support for genocide or the fact that she was running around with Liz Cheney for a lot of the campaign. Nope, it was all because she was a woman.
Be serious.
Trump was the alternative. Be serious.
It’s true, but we aren’t talking about that now are we? I imagine you’re trying to get at the fact that Trump is worse for Gaza and Liz Cheney is a “better” Republican?
There are/were a lot of people in the US who were/are getting incredibly fucking tired of the right-wingedneas of the Democratic primary. This party did not give them a primary to get to choose their candidate and then they ran a full-blown conservative who alienated their voter base to try to entice people out of a fucking cult. The Dems spat in the face of the people who wanted to vote for them while sucking off the people who would come to assassinate one of their reps and not give a shit about it.
It had nothing to do with her being a woman. Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton were conservatives and people are tired of handing over “wins by default” to those people. I mean, look at how both of them who “totally cared so much about the US” just immediately faded into the background except for a book deal and you can see immediately why no one was buying their garbage.
If you think that any kind of intellectual examination was part of people’s decision making process last election, you are sorely mistaken. It really surprises me that on Lemmy, people think that 90% of voters even think about these things. They don’t. And they won’t. Look at the polling leading up to 2024. Harris was ahead for quite a bit. As the day got closer and Trump started running tabloid ads about trans and immigrants, the polls shifted.
The shift in polling had nothing to do with these nuanced takes about centrists and war hawks and corporate Democrats. Nothing. The masses voted based on last minute bigoted propaganda and claimed it was about the economy.
Your reasoning may apply in small, isolated circles. We are talking about the masses and no, I don’t buy it. I’ve talked to too many people.
Quit with this shit. Hillary won the popular vote, America will vote for a woman.
Hillary won the popular vote as a bland corporate candidate.
Seriously. A bland corporate candidate who gave the opposition two decades of lead time to build up an opposition strategy. One of the worst candidates to have run of all time.
Hillary won the popular vote and still lost in a system where the popular vote doesn’t matter. We have a rigged system. I voted for Hillary. It’s not that I don’t have faith in our candidates. I don’t have faith in the system and my fellow Americans.
Hillary won the popular vote and people fucking hated her.
America will vote for a woman.
Not where it counts.
I don’t know if AOC is the right pick but I do know she’s closer to the target than Gavin Newsom. Nothing against him, but the Democratic party needs a candidate that can inspire people.
But that’s getting ahead of things. First the american people need to primary ~50% of sitting democrats in the midterms.
There’s plenty to be against Newsome for considering he platformed fascists, attacks the homeless for fun, and isn’t supportive of the LGBTQ+ community.
