There is one party that stands for corruption, racism, and the erosion of democracy. Sure, the other side has its problems too, but that is no excuse for letting authoritarianism run rampant.
And it’s not even difficult to see what’s happening. The GOP has abandoned even the veneer of decency. At this point, pretending both sides are equally bad isn’t balance. It’s an excuse to look the other way.
I think it’s more like “I have no idea how the world around me works, I’ve never cracked a book I wasn’t forced to.”
And they were never forced to because their rights were never threatened…
Exposure to the struggles of other people taught me that while my rights might not be on the chopping block right now, I’m sure as hell in line and the best way to protect myself is to protect those who are in danger now.
Trans rights are human rights.
Careful, now! Some might misinterpret that as claiming that trans people ARE people, rather than demons whose existence is a threat to the very fabric of reality and also raises gas prices while lowering property values!
(/s)
They’re the same as centrists. The just don’t want to be criticized for their conservative beleifs.
Such a red flag when someone says they aren’t political as a way to avoid speaking their opinions.
They know it’s unpopular and will rightfully be called out.
It’s code for right winger trying to get laid.
When I was online dating it was code for, “I don’t want to hear your MAGA shit.” I dated a lot, and talked to more women than I ended up seeing. I found zero exceptions to that code.
That’s funny, whenever I saw “I’m not political” in dating apps, it was because they were hiding their MAGA shit. Women don’t want to fuck conservatives (generally).
Because every single conservative out there – every last one – wants to turn them into an enslaved tradwife baby factory.
Mhm- claiming that it’s women that are choosing to be non-political on dating apps as a way of discriminating against men is an interesting way of framing it lol
I think you read wrong? It says that are maga men that hide their political values because women do not want to became servants and baby factories…
When I was online dating it was code for, “I don’t want to hear your MAGA shit.” I dated a lot, and talked to more women than I ended up seeing. I found zero exceptions to that code.
There’s a chance salafi is a lesbian, but otherwise this reads like women were putting in their dating profile that they aren’t political because “they don’t want to hear MAGA shit” from the men that are seeing their dating profile.
As a bisexual woman, I found way more men putting in their profile that they aren’t political in order to hide their MAGA views.
Or, you know, they’re tired of talking and hearing about it 24/7.
Or, they’re like me and live in a maga area
I’m sorry but the fucking world seems to be ending. If you declare you’re sick of hearing about it, it doesn’t put you in the best light.
Some people need to for their mental health. Not everyone is as terminally online as Lemmy users tend to be.
Absolutely fair point, I’m in no position to lecture anyone on that here on the edge of my sanity. I just think it’s dangerous to disregard “politics” because it affects everyone and there are some things you need to see coming so you have enough time to plan and adapt. I have a lot of trauma around safety so I’m probably way more on edge about this kind of thing than most people.
Aren’t we all? Some of us don’t have the luxury of escaping it.
Ok? That doesn’t mean that you have to participate in conversations about it.
All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do, or in this case, say nothing.
In a way I see what stabbing is saying, and yeah in magaland its sometimes better to stay quiet and make a difference in other ways without making yourself a target of violence. However, if youre around maga-lite like some folks I know who get angry when they see a rainbow flag, small comments like “why would you care about people being inclusive?” Makes them have the tiniest shred of introspection.
This. I know a number of people who think of themselves as right wing, but if you actually listen to them their opinions are far more on the left. If you can actually listen to them, understand where they’re coming from and show them empathetically who is actually fucking them over, you can do a lot more than if you staunchly refuse to have any contact with them.
And even questions like yours, although I’d rephrase it as “why does it matter to you?” That focusses the question on them without giving them something else to latch on to distract from the question.
Exactly…i mean full magas are a lost cause. But its the maga lite that occasionally watches fox news and gets news from Facebook that we can maybe save.
Also youre totally right. They are brainwashed to think they need to fight Demonrats and immigrants and gays, when in reality it’s the billionaires we need to fight. Thats why the rih pour billions into dissent and trying to cause infighting. Its disgusting.
Or allow stupid to be swooned by evil.
Those are two very different things.
Someone who says “I’m not very political” in a maga-infused bar because they’re afraid of being assaulted for being left-wing isn’t really the same as “I’m tired so I’m not going to stand up for my neighbor today”
You people are too terminally online.
That’s exactly the problem, though - if they feel like just one part of their opinion being outside the group thing will get them chastised, well there’s something wrong there. It has to be possible to disagree with people and still listen to them. Because that’s how you get them to listen to you, which is the only real chance you have to change their opinion long term.
We’ve been tolerable of the intolerant long enough.
I don’t know what you’re referring to, I don’t remember when we have been particularly tolerant towards people who think differently. This opinion has gotten me at least as much flak a decade or so ago as today in circles like these.
At least in the US, there was a very specific time where we were absolutely too tolerant with the intolerant and that has directly led to our political quagmire now:
Paradox of tolerance: if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.
Which very specific time are you referring to? You just linked to a Wikipedia article on the paradox of intolerance, which even explains how it’s not nearly as simple as you present it. And the other article you linked is an opinion piece that shows more of a pattern than a causational relationship.
I’m clearly referencing the time after the American Civil War when the traitors weren’t punished enough.
… And there are many years between then and now. I was talking about the last few decades.
But you know, you have kind of proven my point ITT. You may not be outright chastising anyone, but you’re pretty sarcastic with anyone who doesn’t agree with you and act like your opinion is the only correct one and anyone with a different one is less than you. People don’t like being treated like that, so no wonder they just say “I don’t do politics” - because they probably have more self respect than I do.
There are also disillusioned sorts who were into politics but have decided its a doomed project and that we’re all fucked anyway. And that anytime they engage they just destroy themselves socially while everyone else around them socially thrives by being complacent.
I almost belong to the first group. Overall, I am left of most political spectrums out there, on the edge of “let’s abolish borders and institute UBI”, but I see the world going more and more right and it has been taking away from my motivation. I will still stand up for human rights, but will mostly avoid talking politics unless I have hopes of planting a seed.
Its not just that, iv had coworkers, teammates, lots of randos who are women, and/or minorities, and/or immigrants, who say the same shit! Oh the president doesnt affect me why should I vote?
First off, i work for the state, ok pres is federal but bitch why you not voting local?!? Also yes the president does have effects on your life, right down to the money on our check.
Bahhhh rant over.
what really opened my eyes was working on the executive end of homelessness services. when democrats are in power, there’s ample funding and many available grants. when republicans are in power, there is no funding.
i previously didn’t think the funding was as inconsistent as it is, i guess.
It used to be that the President didn’t have a huge effect on our daily lives, but times have changed. For example, I have never seen a President single-handedly fuck up the economy at this speed. It takes some serious fuckups to move this juggernaut of an economy.
You’re talking about the only man in history to lose over 1 billion in 1 year.
This is a double edged sword. I know a number of people who are in more right wing communities but are more left themselves that try to stay out of politics, as well.
I guess the meaning changes depending on how far into red country you are.
What kind of right wing communities are worthy of setting aside one’s own morals in order to belong?
I think they mean like, their hometown
Even more of a reason to talk emphatically and with empathy about these subjects.
It’s not easy to speak up among monsters. I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss people on lack of courage grounds only.
Yeah I don’t agree with all out avoidance myself but I can see why some people whose family or community is hard right maga would not be able to safely debate these topics in all aspects of their life.
Maybe not in all aspects of their life, but if they avoid it in every aspect, then there needs to be a reckoning within themselves. If you are quiet in the face of injustice, you are cosigning and supporting the injustice.
Uhh like all of america between the east and west coast, white suburbs etc.
I don’t think they’re worthy of setting aside one’s own morals in order to belong though.
I don’t consider it politics anymore I just consider it life now
Some peoples’ rights as a human being are up in the air and they STILL stay out of politics. Or actively support the side trying to remove their rights.
Some people are just really stupid, unfortunately.
I think it’s more about not wanting to argue with you
Preferring an absence of tension over the presence of justice is famously a weak moral position to take.
Or I don’t give a shit about your political take while I’m at work lol. Like shit just let me drink my coffee without having to hear your amazing political takes
I think it is a difference in culture as well, in this case. Here it is still kind of normal, to avoid talking politics, since it is considered personal, and that in many situations makes it impolite. So it can really be about not wanting to interact, and not just an attempt to hide conservative values.
The person I’d want to show this to would just agree.
It’s almost like people protect their own interests over yours, the same way you do.
Is incredibly frustrating dealing with narcissistic, immature zealots who you happen to ideologically agree with. We need a party with people who can act like conservatives in interpersonal communication, and are far left ideologically, cause yall are annoying af.
You want people to act like conservatives in interpersonal communication?
In general, yes. Or I’d at least prefer it to lefties.
