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    They should really be running those nonstop to win all the elections. Photos of all the little girls who were victims. Half the Epstein client list is running the Trump government right now. Show photos of the man Lutnick just had murdered. Ask the real questions but on TV and all the Facebook ads you can buy.

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      They should really be running those nonstop to win all the elections.

      I think Democrats embracing Epstein-ism are going over about as well as Republicans hysterical over transgender players in the WNBA. This isn’t a GOTV tactic, it’s a fundraising gambit. “Look, I’m totally owning the other guys! Send me more money so you can keep seeing these ads!”

      Half the Epstein client list is running the Trump government right now.

      And the other half is vacationing with the Clintons on Martha’s Vineyard.

      That’s got nothing to do with the price of diesel, though. It’s got nothing to do with rent or childcare or AI data centers spiking your electricity bill or the latest recall of tainted grocery stock.

      Ask the real questions but on TV and all the Facebook ads you can buy.

      Or just run an ad of your candidate drawn South Park style, farting on Donald Trump’s head.

      Just don’t talk about Palestine. Don’t talk about ICE. Don’t talk about how the City of Corpus Christi is in a permanent water shortage crisis.

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        We saw with MAGA that Epstein is a motivating force for people to become politically active. Voters on both sides of the aisle want pedos to be prosecuted and voters on both sides became politically apathetic when no consequences materialized.

        While it’s true that there are other levers that the Dems could be pulling, I’m just happy they are pulling a popular lever at all. To me, this signals a change in strategy from, “Advertise ourselves as Republican-lite” to, “Make some sort of delineation from Conservatives”.

        The political consultants the Dem leadership listens to must be feeling the pressure from the Progressive wing; I’m hoping this means the party can be forced to move further left on other issues. Not too long ago, Epstein was on the list of things Dems wouldn’t talk about.

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          Voters on both sides of the aisle want pedos to be prosecuted

          They want their rivals to be prosecuted. And they like to accuse their rivals of something heinous enough to shout down any supporter as a supporter of the heinous thing. But when you have a bipartisan sleezebag like Epstein, the web of supporters and affiliates between parties gets too tangled. You can’t go after Jamie Diamon or Elon Musk without goring your own ox. So you campaign as “anti-pedophile” or make a big show of saying “Lock Them Up!” with no real intention of going after anyone once you’re in office.

          While it’s true that there are other levers that the Dems could be pulling, I’m just happy they are pulling a popular lever at all.

          Dems burned through their credibility after Obama and Biden. Only the heaviest kool-aid drinkers seriously believe Mueller Time is an election away. FFS, you only need to hear Schumer and Jefferies talk to be utterly disabused of the notion that anyone in the Trump Admin is ever getting prosecuted for anything. These fuckwits won’t even entertain a 10th SCOTUS judge. They’re toothless and everyone knows it.

          The political consultants the Dem leadership listens to must be feeling the pressure from the Progressive wing

          Epsteinism isn’t a progressive force. It’s ambient internet blather.

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            I agree with you that the current leadership and most of the Democrats in power do not want to prosecute Epstein affiliates. However I would also note that even 6 months ago, Establishment Dems would not approve a message of going after Epstein affiliates. This ad is a movement from “Don’t talk about Epstein” to “Say Epstein was a bad guy”. Yes, this is a pretty minimal movement, but any movement towards the populist position is a sign of Establishment Democrats’ arrogance and entitlement being curtailed.

            I view the Democratic Party like a disobedient dog in need of training. This dog has been behaving extremely poorly, pissing on the kitchen floor and refusing to come to heel. Lately though, through rigorous training, this dog has shown minimal improvement, at least considering potential punishments before enacting bad behavior. This improvement should be encouraged while the training continues.

            Yes, I agree with you that the idea of punishing pedophiles is a very easy and uncontroversial position. The fact that Democrats have to even consider the population’s opinion is a progressive shift in strategy, when in the past, they have felt very comfortable simply ignoring their constiuents. The only thing that’s really changed is that Progressives are getting big wins and becoming more popular amongst the voter base. The Dem leadership is trying to stay in power by appealing to their left flank. This should be encouraged while the training continues.

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              However I would also note that even 6 months ago, Establishment Dems would not approve a message of going after Epstein affiliates.

              Which just proves they’re cowardly and opportunistic. Hardly evidence of sincerity.

              I view the Democratic Party like a disobedient dog in need of training.

              I’ll spot you the metaphor, but I’ve been bitten by this dog far too many times to believe a few treats and a clicker are going to change it.

              The fact that Democrats have to even consider the population’s opinion is a progressive shift in strategy

              It’s a shift in messaging… kinda. With the Hillarycrats largely on the sidelines this election, you’re stepping on fewer toes when you run ads like this. But compare it to the upsets in states like New York, Michigan, and Ohio. Nobody watching these ads who wasn’t already going to vote Dem will care. The issues aren’t at the top of anyone’s mind. We aren’t even seeing Dems put this as “Epstein’s War In Iran”, because the bulk of the Dem Party agrees with Trump on bombing Iran.

              Just like with Obama criticizing Bush or Biden criticizing Trump, the issue isn’t the policy but the execution. Trump’s just doing a bad job of mass arrests and corporate bailouts and foreign invasions and market manipulations. Democrats (outside of the narrow band of progressives who have been upsetting party-favored campaigns) are running on “we’ll do Trumpism better” in the same way that the Obamacrats ran on “we’ll do Reaganism better”.

              The Dem leadership is trying to stay in power by appealing to their left flank.

              Democrats can retake the Senate without winning Michigan, Schumer suggests

              El-Sayed’s progressive positioning and recent polling showing him narrowly trailing the Republican nominee, former Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI), have raised concerns among Democrats that El-Sayed could lose what many in the party consider to be a must-win state. Some Democratic donors, particularly in the Jewish community, are also now backing Rogers after El-Sayed won the primary.

              “A path to winning back the Senate clearly goes through Michigan, but we have a whole bunch of different paths,” Schumer told the Post.

              That does not sound like a party leadership tacking towards its progressive flank. Just the opposite.

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                Yeah, I can’t really blame you for being disillusioned with the current Dem Party. I will note that the article you mentioned is from last month, and is likely refelctive of Schumer’s current opinions and desires, but I choose to read the OP’s article from yeaterday as folks like Schumer making poltical movements against their internal desires. I read it as Schumer understanding that the country is moving in a more progressive direction and he is trying to appease his masters by lying to them.

                Not to be too contentious, but I hope you are wrong about the future of the Democratic Party and that things do move in a more Progressive direction. That more Dems will tie the Iran War to Isreal or advocate for taxing the ultra wealthy.

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        Really helpful comment there, let’s just shit on everybody so that the world fills up to a utopian level of equal shit.

        All of the economic problems, fascism, and environmental problems can be traced by their money-flow lines right back to the same Epstein cabal, so it’s pretty well related actually.

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    So many naive and disengenuous both-siders in this thread. You all support the guy who said the constitution should be disolved and signed an executive order attempting to overrule precedent set by Marbury v. Madison in 1803 because “both sides”?

    The Democratic party hasn’t held the kind of 3 branch power MAGA currently abuses since the Obama era and they never did half of the corrupt shit the tired old man you worship does on the daily. Your both-sidesism rings hollow.

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      “So many”? There are 3 total comments in this thread. No one here is supporting Trump and its wildly disingenuous to assert such a thing. It’s okay to acknowledge that both sides are shit without equating them. They had all the power they needed to hold the Epstein class accountable.

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    I believe Guiffre’s car was hacked to create that accident. Which is a thing they can do now, because fuck us.

    Another epstein accuser just died and they are calling it suicide by the way, the guy that worked under lutnick and called him out.

    Startpage won’t give me the article in either reuters or the guardian, I’m not linking aol or their handpicked shitheel news collaters. It just happened though.

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    Yes because Dems were all vocal advocates of justice for Epstein victims while they held the power…

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    Virginia Giuffee didn’t kill herself, and Democrats are almost as implicated and complicit.

    It seems like whomever is out of power wants to disingenuously play the Epstein card. I have zero confidence the Dem leadership will do anything more than Trump has.

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      Both sides arguments make people sound extremely stupid, just warning you that you might want to edit

      It’s because of the proven nazis and rampant pedophilia

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        Both sides arguments make people sound extremely stupid

        What did the Biden Administration do to prosecute the Epstein client list?

        What do you think the Pete Buttigieg administration is going to do in 2029? What do you think he’s going to do about the Silicon Valley sponsored rape gangs popping up all over the country? Aella the new Epstein and nobody fucking cares.

        It’s because of the proven nazis and rampant pedophilia

        Obama worked hand-in-glove with Elon Musk to funnel tens of billions of dollars of grants, tax credits, and government contracts into shareholder pockets. Biden handed TikTok to Larry Ellison’s failson. Abigail Spanberger and Mikie Sherrill are continuing to do enormous amounts of business with Palantir and Flock. Gavin Newsom vetoed a California bill to protect local doctors from extradition for abortion-related crimes in other states.

        The Nazis and the Pedophiles aren’t confined to a single party. They are part of a wealthy upper class, dedicated to exploiting the labor of their neighbors and to extracting natural resources at everyone else’s expense.

        Andrew Cuomo and John Fetterman are not your fucking friends just because they have (D) party affiliations. Henry Cuellar and Bob Menendez are not working towards your better interests.

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            How do you turn “both the republicans and the democrats are interested in protecting rich and powerful people who harm children” to “you should vote for the republicans”?

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              You twisted 1000 words of “both sides,” which is effectively advocating voting for the pedophiles

              Just weird how your comments are in indirect support of Russia and Israel and the NazisPedos

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        What’s both sides about this?

        If the republicans are sweeping this under the rug because they are proven nazis and rampant profiles, why did the democrats sweep it under the rug?

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      and Democrats are almost as implicated and complicit.

      Neoliberals…

      They don’t control the party, haven’t for over 18 months, and the only groups you’re helping by remaining ignorant of that, is neoliberals, republicans, and the billionaires who fund them both.

      Wake the fuck up and start paying attention

      Edit:

      Really not surprised to see your post history is full of shitting on Dems and Ukraine and trying to convince people they’re just as bad as trump and Putin.

      Does anyone actually fall for this shit in 2016 a month before midterms?

      Seriously, who’s still falling for that shit?

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          Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jefferies? Are you fucking serious?

          Those are neoliberals…

          Did you read my comment and think it was supportive of neoliberals somehow?

          My point is you lumping progressive Dems with them, is completely nonsensical.