Ppl don’t want to win, they want someone else to win for them, which is how we got in this mess in the first place. American Democracy, in practice, encourages the notion that someone else will work on your interests, on your behalf, without requiring sustained effort on your part. We let elected official operate largely in secret and with zero oversite from those they represent, for 4 years.
Until the electorate is able and willing to sustain oversite over the actions of their elected officials, with the tools necessary to step in and influence or remove their representatives, if needed, then there is no power outside voting every 4 years.
Democracy is as strong as its voter base. Right now we have a third of people ingesting complete nonsense propaganda on purpose, a third with no media literacy and many with no actual literacy and most of those people don’t vote, and the remaining third is a split between more corporate centrists and various leftists who disagree with the centrists and may or may not agree with the rest of the left on anything at all.
we dont have a democray, we set up a system where the rich only have to bribe 100 senators to get what they want.
A single Sociopathic Oligarch could make each of those senators rich beyond their dreams without ever even noticing a blip in their bank account. And there are a LOT of Sociopathic Oligarchs. Somebody must have tried it, and probably succeeded for the most part.
There is an entire industry dedicated to doing just that. If you really want to be disgusted, check out a book named Dark Money. It discusses just the work of the Koch’s. Maybe find a summary or cliffnotes, its eye opening.
Agreed, freedom aint free. I truly believe this, even if I get down voted every single time I say it.
Yeah, it ain’t, and the people are willing and able to pay for it, get to direct it.
You can replace “American Democracy” with “Electoralism”.
The electorate will always be at the whim of those in power under this type of system because that is the fundamental nature of hierarchy.
Countdown to the DOJ declaring his words a “legitimate islamic terrorist threat” in 3 – 2 – 1–
Fight?!?! Jeez what a violent extremist
Yikes, people are clearly having difficulty detecting the obvious sarcasm in this comment
I mean, its my own fault for posting like this here on the autism social media
There are also a lot of non-native English speakers here. English is a tricky enough language when used sincerely, then add to that the fact that we English natives are huge fans of sarcasm, and I’m surprised misunderstandings don’t happen more often. (I had major culture shock moving to Japan and finding out sarcasm was not really a thing there. I always assumed it was part of the human condition.)
Japanese people can be just as sarcastic as English speakers. It flies over your head unless you’re actually good at the language. Same as English.
I should have said they have their own type of sarcasm but it’s different; you wouldn’t, for instance, respond to a simple question with the obvious opposite of the truth (e.g. “I just love the cold” when asked if you like winter).
Oh, yeah, I’m a HUUUUGE fan of sarcasm.
… eh?
I’ve met and known a fair number of Japanese people from spending a fairly significant amount of time doing Karate, and living in areas of the US with significant numbers of Japanese immigrants, 2nd 3rd or 4th generation.
Most of those I met were actually quite funny, making puns and jokes… in my experience, they would make a good number of jokes based around the difficulty they have learning/speaking English, and the difficulty English speakers have learning/speaking Japanese… like, very self-aware humor, self-deprecating sarcasm, sarcastic jabs, etc.
I actually learned the “Don’t touchee my moustache” ‘joke’ from a Japanese person … explaining to me that that had started as a common English speaker corruption of dou itashimashite… I remember feeling a strange kind of … 3rd hand embarassment, if that makes any sense.
… maybe we just met/knew different groups of Japanese people? I don’t think I met too many uh… salaryman types… ???
I mean, honestly what I think is that… well in America, I’m an introverted autistic nerd with a sense of humor that is too complicated and particular for most Americans. Compared to most Japanese I’ve met? I am a polite yet clever, outgoing goofball.
I think most Americans are just basically just extroverted assholes with fragile egos and projection problems, whose ‘humor’ is mostly based around genuinely insulting other people, but with flashy/evocative vocabulary.
Those aren’t Japanese, those are American
I said I met a bunch of Japanese people from Japan, and also lived in areas with Japanese Americans.
… who often host visitors who are Japanese, from Japan.
Japanese nationals? Not that hard to figure out…
Idk that Jimmy guy was having a whole convo with himself
That person is an eccentric red scare loon, the only thing they talk about is how anyone left of center is a commie. They appear to have no other thought in their mind.
Ah, Russian troll
So accurate lol
You need more interrobangs and 1s. Then they’ll know its not serious.
You’d think people would be able to put the /s in by themselves…
I come from a time before the /s and I refuse to adopt it
Ah, I see you too are from the before times.
I was born yesterday
Keep inhaling them vegetables me son.
so we put AIPAC and billionaires in concentrations camps and chop their heads off on the hour
do i have my lemming memes corrects
that kind of fight?
or is it just cheap groceries
sorry i was just joking it’s sarcasm hahahaha
oh my neighbourhood in russia is not doing so well since the flying bombs
as for hasan their last guy, rock and roll yeah sexy guy
a different kettle of chips
supports terrorists
abuses animals
misogynise the intefada
has mamdani started the russia apolgia yet?
have to pay the bills somehow
remember palestine
keep the money coming
you can save them
close the prisons
no more police
own the companies they work for us now, not against us
the people will be victorious
only kidding don’t downvote i apologize we can work together
at this important time we need to unify and support each other
Why are you constantly insulting the DSA and Hasan with cringe sarcasm? You sound mentally ill. Probably the reason why you don’t have even a quarter of what the average baby boomer had at your age, like 7+ children, a home at 19 years old, economic stability, or at least a happy family of four without a college degree. Why? What happened? Are they smarter, work harder, or what?
Maybe you support capitalism because you value capital over human beings. We value communism and socialism because we value building a community and being social to others more than money. You probably just support capitalism because you enjoy giving all your hard work, future and potential to people in the Jeffrey Epstein Class. There is a chance you’re a pedophile who supports those people, therefor the reason why you’re constantly shitting on the DSA movement and such. You just want to help them normalize pedophilia so you stop being the sick and rejected socially-inept creep weirdo you are.
Oh that’s just like the DNC. They never fight. Just look at the North Carolina dnc. Tim Moore is up for reelection and the woman they have put up against him they have done absolutely nothing to get her message out or their message out or any message out. I have only seen one little tiny sign at the Democratic headquarters and then a big ass Roy Cooper sign. They have no fight in them at all. And their whole mantra is vote blue no matter who what choice do I have not vote?
Voting for a third party is only valid if a movement, a real one, forms around it. It will never work if it only siphons votes out of the dem bucket and lets republicans to kind of win by default. It has to have real momentum, real commitments, have visibility and voice across the states, so everyone will know they will not be just giving the republicans the win, rather, committing together as a big one, to something better. Even better if the various ideologically motivated but distinct camps within republicans would join the effort. Libertarians are the classic example, but I bet if things get momentum and it looks like the two parties are simply getting fractured either way, a lot of people will jump on the chance to get actual real representation and voice, not just a small camp within a big ambiguous mess the two parties kind of force.
So instead of just voting for a third option and wasting your vote in the current system, organizing would be the real answer, the prerequisite for the third options to be valid. And it’s not that complicated, just needs to get viral and real commitments
Republicans don’t blame libertarians. they know that the people who want to vote for libertarians aren’t Republicans. the same can’t be said for Democrats. they believe they are owed every vote people choose to give to greens. it’s entitled.
And if you don’t vote for them or at all your voice doesn’t matter. I “love” that argument of institutional marginalization. It’s the same kind of thinking and justification they used for oppressing black voters for over a century.
your voice doesn’t matter
You are the one who “doesnt matter” here because you cant win an election without progressives but you centrists refuse to engage with the voters and their issues. Why wont you lot ever talk about stopping the war criminality? Why is that off the table? Why Didnt Biden or Haris support single payer? Why not address issues of affordability and social injustice? Why was Bidens response to Defund & reallocate to increase police funding?
Thats some bullshit and it will be a cold day in hell before I help elect another aipac-centrist. The cold hard fact is that you centrists arent in the center, you lean far right and you dont care about the voters actual issues. You are owed nothing and I see Dem party identification as a negative now when I vote, after a lifetime of being a straight ticket voter. The DNC did that, and now they can live with it. Go have tea with Schumer if you dont like it, because your voice doesnt matter to me.
I’m with you, never holding my nose to vote again. They can either adapt or lose without us.
I didn’t come across clear. I’m opposed to what is being termed as Blue MAGA who say those who don’t vote don’t matter. They matter a whole hell of a lot because they may more to say than the sycophants who always vote party lines. It’s a method to marginalize people who already are that.
I think they’re in agreement here.
Yes, I am. A person who chooses not to vote still has something to say and not voting means they feel marginalized by the system that it’s useless. They deserve as much time at the table as anyone else and the “always blue no matter who” types continually try to marginalize them.
got it, my mistake, sorry. We do agree. I suppose I am a little overly trigger happy with all the posts telling me I dont have a say at all if I didnt vote team blue or red.
Nothing wrong with voting third party. If you want votes then court the non-voters.
Waiting for a third party person to get support before you support them kills any chance of a movement right away. Until then, you just get the center-right using the far-right boogeyman.
We have a viable third party here in Canada but people’s main excuse “they’ll never win”. Like, no shit, you keep saying you like their platform so fucking DO something about it!
The dumbest thing for the US specifically is that there IS a movement forming. Progressives are winning primaries, Mamdani is fixing NYC in record time and pulling no punches, and people are getting excited about it even in other countries. It’s all there, and if you vote against that what the fuck do you think is going to happen? If you aren’t part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.
Waiting for a third party person to get support before you support them kills any chance of a movement right away
Tell us you didn’t read what you’re replying to without telling us.
Literally jusy start with the first sentence, dude. It’s ok, take your time, but maybe next time don’t come at me with your raging first grade reading level(is it even that? Their comment was pretty clear).
I think we just need to put up everyday, regular workers who refuse PAC money and operate ethically, as well as presenting a socialist platform. That would overcome a lot of disillusionment with left voters and even poor MAGA, who were betrayed by the neoliberal establishment; who thought Trump would bring socialist elements and advocate for them. I think this would build enough broad support to win.
People are broadly tired of political corruption and capitalist exploitation; they’ve just been brainwashed by the Epstein class to blame socialism.
Also, we need to arm up for the plan B. The SRA is one organizational resource.
And practice with your weapons. Fancy guns will not make you better unless you’re already decent to begin with. I recommend CZ, good guns, not too expensive.
We won’t win without organization. With that we need some white populist candidates. Wtf is wrong that we have 0 white populist left candidates?
Seriously, something is wrong.
What’s wrong is the dnc would rather fight the left than the GOP.
“For far too long, our party has seen its job as managing decline instead of delivering material change for working people." - Mamdani
You know it.
Sorry, I would help you out there but I was banned from r/democrats for saying Biden shouldn’t run for re-election and was spoken to like a child and made persona non grata at my local democratic party meeting for saying we should actually get people on the ballot in every race. Granted, the later was over a decade ago so maybe some non-asshole non-idiots have started to show up.
A encouraging message for a bunch of morons who doesn’t “bother with politics” or think “all parts are the same” thinking some miracle solution or a mighty savior would come for them, living like the metaphor of the boiling frog.
If you not turn on to politics, politics will turn on you
As opposed to fighting and never winning, which is what I’ve been doing for decades.
willing to fight
Willing to LIE
Unless you’re Gen Z or Millennial, in which case you eat crayons and shove your thumb up your ass because you don’t wanna take a few hours off of work to go vote against the 4th Reich.
We won’t have victory until the younger voter demographic finally usurps the fossils who actually show up to the polls.
I agree with the sentiment that voting is very important, so it’s vital to come up with ways increase voter turnout. In an ideal society, everyone would make informed voting decisions, but we don’t live in that world. We’ve seen from recent races that people are coming out in droves to vote for candidates with progressive policies with primary races having higher turnout than even general presidential elections. The key takeaway from this summer seems to be that progressive policies fuel voter turnout, especially amongst younger voters, so the Democratic Party should lean further in that direction.
No need to disparage them, people have show up to vote since ww1
I don’t eat crayons!
We’re way past “pick your battles”…
This is firmly “fight everywhere” territory, which is what the DNC has been doing, and why were going to gain a shit ton of seats in midterm.
We’re actually trying to win every race again.
This is firmly “fight everywhere” territory, which is what the DNC has been doing
Especially against the progressives in their own party. If they wanted to lead the progress, they should have gotten behind supporting the Democratic Socialist candidates.
Especially against the progressives in their own party. If they wanted to lead the progress, they should have gotten behind supporting the Democratic Socialist candidates.
The DNC supporting any candidate in a primary is a bad thing.
The DNC is not doing that.
They are supporting every candidate in a general, which is a good thing.
It’s not that complicated…
Be honest givesomefucks, they are supporting big business and pro israel candidates, and they are fighting progressives and progressive ideas. Your pretending otherwise is just spin.
But who is the DNC fighting and what are they fighting for?
