Waking up every day and drinking that Hatorade.

If you don’t like anything on the the platform, why stick around?

  • A_norny_mousse@feddit.orgEnglish
    788·
    10 days ago

    f____g@lemmy.zip?

    I have no idea who that is - your alt?

    Downvoting is valid. You saying it equals hate says more about you than about the downvoters.

    edit: hm, apparently this is about the user doing the downvoting, not being downvoted? Still, this is badly anonymized, and that’s my main point.

    • Tetsuo@jlai.luEnglish
      52·
      10 days ago

      My instance of choice decided to unilaterally and without any warning whatsoever disable downvotes. Just to “try it out”.

      I’m still pissed about it to this day.

      I mean that google removes any kind of downvotes is one stupid thing, but that people think this makes content “better” is crazy to me.

      Now I do understand that in small communities the weight of a super negative account can be quite an issue… But is removing completely any negative feedback the solution ? Really, it’s all we got ?

      Also the simple fact that a lot of this community is from Reddit, IMO it’s not okay to disable a feature like that without even voting on it.

      So if you think disabling negative feedback fixes an issue, you have the burden to prove or at least explain the reasoning.

      I do think it didn’t make YouTube any less of a cesspool to disable downvotes on it…

      Edit : Also while votes are not supposed to replace moderation, they certainly help limiting the reach of spammers. Like if the mods are asleep at least the community can bury the post in the meantime. But no, they just disabled downvotes and made a post about the change the same day. Wtf.

        • CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          9·
          10 days ago

          Yeah thats what I was going to say too. There’s little keeping you on any specific instance. You don’t have “karma totals” like on reddit.

          • ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            9 days ago

            I’d give to find an instance where votes are already public.

            EDITED TO ADD: I mean, not hidden by the interface. I am already aware that federated votes are accessible via lemvotes.org.

      • Zoot@reddthat.comEnglish
        56·
        10 days ago

        Personally being on an instance with no down votes I was pretty similar in thinking. Over time though I’ve realized downvotes are just another avenue for anger, there’s no need for them. It removes significant amounts of stress not worrying about it.

        Were here to discuss, chat, and learn new and intriguing things. Up and Down votes don’t matter, block that annoying asshole, tag the contrarian, just worry about yourself and the typical woes of social media subside considerably.

    • MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.netEnglish
      262·
      10 days ago

      I have no idea who that is

      I know exactly who this is, even without the username tip-off. Here’s what their record looked like in September:

      I happened across the user when looking into a string of -1’s on brand new posts in a small community. They were all the same person, and that person downvoted 244 times for each upvote.

      This on its own is not normal behavior. Combine it with this user’s comments - which are pretty much completely on brand for the average Lemmy user - and it becomes even more bizarre.

    • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      2510·
      10 days ago

      Nothing against downvoting in general, but some people are extremely toxic about it. I don’t get the point.

      Please don’t do a witch hunt - it was censored for a reason. Sorry I didn’t do it thoroughly enough.

      • A_norny_mousse@feddit.orgEnglish
        134·
        10 days ago

        Please don’t do a witch hunt - it was censored for a reason. Sorry I didn’t do it thoroughly enough.

        I’m not. But if this post should evolve into one, that’s on you. Do the sensible thing and remove it.

    • A_A@lemmy.worldEnglish
      31·
      10 days ago

      i concur (approved your p.of.view)
      I like Lemmy(*)s, and like to ↑ good stuff and to ↓ at very bad stuff. Yes, of course, there is so much of both in here. And since we have many communities, it is possible for opposite points of view to float upward. Until we have a better system, let’s use what we have.

      • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.comEnglish
        41·
        9 days ago

        Maybe, it’s not clear:

        1. What you see in the image are the upvotes and downvotes I gave, not the ones I received.
        2. I’m on a Lemmy instance that does not have downvotes enabled at all. I can’t even downvote anything and if others click the downvote button on my posts/comments, nothing happens at all as far as I know. Maybe, their app shows that it worked, but I don’t think, anything happens.
        • CileTheSane@lemmy.caEnglish
          2·
          9 days ago

          if others click the downvote button on my posts/comments, nothing happens at all as far as I know.

          I think it shares the downvotes within that instance (possibly with other instances that allow downvoting) so anyone else viewing the post from the same instance as the user who downvoted will still see it and their browser will use that when sorting the posts.

  • ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    26·
    10 days ago

    Sometimes I miss old forums where content was brought back up by simply posting within the topic (though that lead to the annoying and incessant “bump? bump? bump?” posts on threads people wouldn’t let die, i guess).

    Post voting is understandable as an alternative but it just leads to so much vanity as a result. Sites like this and reddit have so many dorks that are like “my fake internet points… how could you”. If it matters that much to you just shitpost all the time and you’ll get those numbers up

    • yermaw@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      23·
      10 days ago

      question about something specific (3w ago)

      nvm figured it out (3w ago)

      what was the solution? Im having the same issue (5m ago)

      [MOD] necroing resolved topics is against the TOS. Read the rules before posting. Banned 4 lyf sunnnnn (1m ago)

    • FosterMolasses@leminal.spaceEnglish
      3·
      9 days ago

      Me too, it’s definitely had a fundamental impact on how people interact with each other online. But also, less page long flamewars is the silver lining I suppose lol

    • CileTheSane@lemmy.caEnglish
      2·
      9 days ago

      Sometimes I miss old forums where content was brought back up by simply posting within the topic

      That’s how forums on Steam work and it makes them almost useless. The only posts you see are the rage bait from people farming Steam points from ‘Clown’ awards. Any meaningful post doesn’t get the same engagement as people trying to ‘slam the trolls into submission’ (FFS, how do people still not know you don’t feed the trolls?) so it gets pushed under all the bullshit.

      Lemmy’s system is good because there is no account wide total, so it really doesn’t matter if one of your posts gets a lot of upvotes and another gets a lot of downvotes, it just means one was good and other wasn’t.

      … And then you get people who really want some kind of account wide total for some reason so they go to websites that total up the number of times a user has given upvotes and downvotes…

    • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.comEnglish
      34·
      9 days ago

      I mean… You have the options to upvote, to down vote and to not click a button. I haven’t seen 742 posts that were so terrible that I had to decide to down vote them.

      Down voting other opinions just because they do not match mine brings useless negativity. I don’t think, we need that on Lemmy.

  • DABDA@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    151·
    10 days ago

    Sticking my neck out a bit to share my general views and habits on voting to maybe add some other things to consider.

    My general mindset is that each community sets rules on posts and comments, and that ideally only appropriate things should then be posted. So I typically only think to upvote stuff when there’s an even greater than normal amount of effort or thought put into something, or to counteract dogpile downvotes to an appropriate post/comment.

    Say I’m browsing a motorcycle community and one user posts a meme about bikes, and someone else poses a story about learning to ride; if my preference is for text posts instead of images I could just upvote the story post and not the meme, but both posts are related to the community and belong there. I could upvote both (and by extension all posts) but then what’s the difference if everything is +1 or +0? If memes are disallowed, I can downvote and report the post to push it down to hopefully keep others from having to see it or encourage them to post their own.

    I will also downvote nearly 100% of extremely low-effort pointless comments like “THIS”, “lol”, URL shortened or amp/tracking including links without context etc. A post in another language but marked as English I will also downvote, foreign language communities/instances I just block. I block most meme and shitpost style communities so I’m not looking to vote police what other people enjoy, but doing this stuff in science/news/hobby/etc. communities is inappropriate.

    So that’s generally how I behave on Lemmy (and previously on Reddit) - I’m generally more “on the lookout” for bad content, and not looking to boost things that belong here. I don’t rely on voting to maintain my feed, my block lists are also enormous.

    A more semi-recent phenomenon is accounts spam posting a bunch of (relevant) links and then self-deleting - I can’t block that account to hide their posts, but as I’m scrolling through my feed I will downvote every single post they made regardless of its quality etc. I’m not going to rehash arguments about whether their behavior is acceptable or not (“they are posting relevant stuff, who cares if they’re acting in bad faith!”) but since there’s generally 2-3 of those accounts per day spam posting junk that’s a lot of downvotes from me to a lot of different communities including some I’m not subscribed to. I’m not going to bother reporting every single post, and until there’s a method to easily directly report a user I’m not going to bother trying that anymore.

    Just wanted to put that out there that there might be other legitimate users that have wildly disproportionate voting numbers and that it might not be malicious or careless in nature. I don’t know if Lemmy ignores them like Reddit (supposedly?) does, but I’ve never mass voted from a user’s history. It’s only from comments and posts that were presented to me during my normal browsing.

  • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
    185·
    10 days ago

    Personally I factor this in with bans on my communities. I very rarely ban, but I do if I notice people like this, who I dub “downvote trolls”. They don’t participate (or when they do it’s negatively), the just downvote constantly.

    Now I’m fine with downvotes, I downvote, I think it’s healthy to say “I don’t like this content”. However if all you do is downvote (especially in a specific community) then I view a ban as a win win. We don’t have to deal with your negativity and obviously you don’t enjoy being here anyway from your voting patterns, so everyone wins.

    For my communities I have a pretty healthy ratio. If you downvote 80% of the content, you’re on my radar. I won’t ban you on that data alone, but seriously 4 out of 5 votes on the community are on average down then why are you there?

    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
      153·
      10 days ago

      Content from all communities shows up on my feed, like most others’. Confused mods, possibly like you, seem to get angry when the see people regularly downvote content that they seem to be low-quality, even when those people are doing so without regard of the specific community.

      If you don’t want to deal with downvotes in a community, you might be better off moving it to an instance that does not support downvotes.

      • MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.netEnglish
        124·
        10 days ago

        This isn’t about drive-bys. This is about users who engage in bad faith. Take a look at OP’s pic again.

        4650 downvotes.

        19 upvotes.

        That’s not happenstance.

        • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          73·
          10 days ago

          Sure, but I felt that OC’s comment brushed up against a common issue of mods conflating the two.

      • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexusEnglish
        72·
        10 days ago

        A bit of selfresponsibility would help both sides tho - if you browse /all, you get /all, so instead of downvoting stuff you are not subscribed to and where you might be missing the context of the community, it would be best for you and the others to just filter the community instead of downvoting every single time.

      • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
        2·
        9 days ago

        That’s not at all what I’m talking about. Random downvotes are a constant, those don’t matter to me. However if you really hit 80% downvotes in my community alone, then to me I’m doing you a favor. You should have just blocked my community, so I’ll do it for you. It is honestly difficult to get that high or a downvote rate.

    • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      11·
      10 days ago

      Personally, I agree (we would never do this in a large community for the record). But yes, there are people who think that they can “kill” a small community with downvotes because they don’t like the topic.

      The sad thing is, it’s true. In a community where most posts have under 5 or so votes, one person coming in and systematically downvoting every post will keep people from seeing it who may be interested. If someone doesn’t like a topic, they can block the community, but when they take steps to prevent others from seeing it, that’s toxic. It’s bad for the health of the platform.

      • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
        32·
        9 days ago

        Exactly my use case, I’m on a couple communities that I’m sure there are people out there don’t like, but for the few of us who do really like the community we enjoy it. Those who don’t enjoy it are welcome to block us or not subscribe to us, but they insist instead on downvoting every single post because they personally don’t like it, ruining the experience for the actual people who do care about the community. You’re also right that it’s a small community, we’re not talking about Ask Lemmy, we’re talking about a small community with less than 100 people. Where a post may get a few up votes