They’re right.
Democrats lost votes on Immigration , the Israeli genocide in Gaza and economic perception.
There may have been some lgbtq voters that were reluctant… but they weren’t even close to the largest losses of voters.
Ultimately, they fucked up messaging on the economy and tried to persuade unpersuadable “centrists” by taking up Trump’s own immigration policy. And then there’s the blatant and nearly unconditional support of Israel.
Dems need to realize that centrists are already going to vote one way or the other. You can’t sacrifice your base for a small fraction of people who claim to be “undecided”.
And you certainly won’t convince some idiot willing to vote for trump.
Dems need to realize that centrists are already going to vote one way or the other. You can’t sacrifice your base for a small fraction of people who claim to be “undecided”.
This supposes that their stated reason for moving to the right was their actual reason for moving to the right.
They moved to the right because they wanted to and thought they could get away with it. The sprint rightward on immigration, the support for genocide, the parroting of republican anti-trans hate in their own ads, the Cheney endorsements and so on were Democratic politicians telling us exactly what they are.
Exactly what is the Democrats base these days? I am genuinely curious. Because it seems they don’t have one and don’t listen to what any normal person wants.
Health care? Improving or even maintaining infrastructure? Education? Affordable housing?
The Democratic National Party believes they are entitled to all progressive votes in the U.S. by sole virtue of being the lesser evil, so they don’t feel like they need to appeal to their progressive voter base.
I personally think the “undecided, conservative centrists” that the DNC keeps trying to court every election are a myth, but presumably that’s the base they think they need to win.
It apparently worked for the last 30+ years. And it led to the current Orange Cheeto that will hasten the demise of the US empire.
Apparently the thing that resonated with voters from the trans ads was the economic piece, which is why they include that guy talking about “why is my money going towards this?” The rest is just a smoke screen for the left to get upset about.
Also, Dems are too scared to really talk about the subject. AOC was on the right track after the congressional bathroom fiasco. The right wants all the pedos doing gender searches on your kids and they want to force trans men into women’s bathrooms.
The economic factor is easily the biggest blindspot in the Dem’s campaign. We’re still seeing articles right now about how Biden “fixed” the economy only to hand it over to Trump to destroy again…
They’re absolutely stuck on this idea that Biden was great for the economy because metrics like GDP and the S&P 500 went up, all the whole ignoring the simple fact that those numbers only represent meaningful gains for the wealthy. With mounting inflation and stagnant wages, most people are poorer than ever.
They lost because they promised “four more years of this”, and “this” was “you getting poorer every day.” It’s really that simple.
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I understand not wanting to have to settle for the “lesser evil” or “least bad” option, so to speak. But there’s a point where you have to suck it up and do that.
This was not a compelling message, and people stayed home.
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You’re right. You’re entitled to the unquestioning loyalty of everyone to your left that you hate, no matter what you do. Keep moving to the right. It’s all you will ever do because genocide wasn’t far enough to the right for you.
It never mattered what Trump was promising. Not in specific sense. It only mattered that he promised things would get better. The how was irrelevant.
When you’re drowning, and someone says “I’ll help you!” you don’t ask them to lay out their exact plan. You just throw out your hand and hope they’ll take it.
These people made a very simple calculation; “I know I’ll continue to drown with the Dems. I know this because that’s exactly what they’ve promised; four more years of slowly drowning. With Trump, there’s a chance that maybe he’ll make things better. A chance is better than no chance.”
Based on that calculation, they did exactly what you’re asking them to do. They voted for the least bad option.
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This would be a valid argument for Trump 2016, when people had little to no clue what we were all in for.
People believe, first and foremost, the evidence of their own lived experiences. This isn’t rational but it is how we’re programmed to operate. And the lived experience of most voters is that, financially, they’re doing worse under Biden than they were under Trump. They don’t care that most of that was because of factors that weren’t really directly connected to White House policy decisions (in the same way that the President doesn’t control the price of gas); they just see that they are suffering, and feel that the people in charge must be responsible. It doesn’t matter how terrible you tell them Trump’s policies were compared to Bidens (and in case I somehow have to spell out my position here, yes, of course Trump’s policies were terrible compared to Biden’s) because they know how much money is in their bank account and that’s really all that matters. Telling these people how much better off the country is doesn’t mean shit if they’re struggling to pay rent and buy groceries.
But in 2024, Trump wasn’t saying “I’ll help you”. Trump was actively campaigning on grabbing you by the legs and pulling you deeper underwater.
Let’s not be asinine. Of course Trump was saying “I’ll help you.” Yes, you and I have the context to examine his proposed solutions and immediately conclude that they will make things worse, but that’s not a context that everyone shares. Like I already said, these people are drowning. Most people don’t have enough understanding of policy to really judge the details of Trump’s plans, and they don’t have the time or attention to gain that understanding of policy. They’re not interested in arguing over the details of how someone plans to save them, they just want to be saved. And they don’t even have to be 100% convinced that Trump will be the better choice. Not even 50%, or 30%. What they are 100% convinced of, because it is the unquestionable evidence sitting right in front of them, is that they’re poorer now than they were at the start of Biden’s term, and that Harris, when asked what she would have done different, said “Not a thing.” If there’s even a 10% chance, in their eyes, that Trump’s bullshit turns out to work, he’s the better option, because it’s obvious to them that there’s a 0% chance that things will get better with the Dems. You can tell them all you like that Trump’s policies are awful, but when the thing you propose instead is voting for the people who - as they see it - made things so much worse for them over the last four years, they’re going to look at you like you’re crazy.
If Democrats actually think their loss was for to fighting for human rights then they are dumber than I could even imagine.
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This is such a bad take with literally no evidence to support it. Ignore all the people telling you exactly why they didnt vote for Harris, and simply proclaim confidently that it must be racism and sexism. Now I am in no way denying that those things exist in the US, but theres literally no reason to believe thats why she lost. Biden was polling terribly, and people wanted him out, because of his age and policies, despite his maleness and whiteness. People want bernie because of his policies, despite his oldness. Literally no one has ever said “i didnt vore for kamala because shes a black woman” but you think you can invent this justification for her losing despite all evidence to the contrary, so that the democratic party doesnt have to do an ounce of self reflection or adjust their policy positions at all.
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Youre a fucking idiot apparently because people have explained these things. Firstly i dont think trump is better, but some people refuse to stand by and watch the democrats constantly move right with no consequences. Literally for like 60 years theyve been saying ‘this is the most important election of our lives, vote for the lesser of two evils’. Hunter s thompson wrote about it in fear and loathing on the campaign trail. Like how do you not see the pattern. Until theres an actual viable progressive choice, a lot of people are just fed up with the bullshit. If allowing trump to gain power causes some reform to the democratic party or allows a viable third party alternative to rise then it probably will be worth it. Also i am not american, and probably would have voted for harris but i would have complained about her SHITTY FUCKING POLICIES the whole time. All of you people who were defending her endlessly despite every bad move she made are responsible for trump. Noone was upset that republicans were standing up against trump. They were upset that the democrats tried to become republucans in order to beat him. Also explaining why the vast majority of people who arent on lemmy didnt like harris is not the same as saying you voted for trump or think he would be better. Keep fucking coping and licking kamalas boots though, dont use any critical thinking at all, just keep screaming RACIST at people who arent even listening.
Had me in the first half not gonna lie
This is a very long rambling strawman. People didn’t vote for Trump because Harris moved to the right. They stayed home because Harris moved to the right.
I know you don’t want to admit that moving to the right has hit a wall, but it has.
I know you’re only saying a woman of color can’t win because you want the party to shut out AOC if she decides to run in 2028.
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So the solution to that problem is to stay home and allow the country to be pulled even further right. How’s that working out for you?
I voted for Harris. It’s working out pretty shitty for me, because not only do I get the results of a centrist campaign losing, I also get self-righteous lectures from people like you. Now ignore this entire comment and lecture some more. Make sure to continue to assume I didn’t vote for Harris, since you have no argument otherwise.
I’m not even going to dignify this comment with a response.
Responses from you are incapable of bestowing dignity.
