The only point I’m trying to make in this thread about Briahna is that Briahna was wrong to suppress turnout, which you agree with.

You claim that she was trying to suppress turnout, but centrists say that shit about everyone with even the slightest problem with genocide.

We also agree on everything else,

Then say harris shouldn’t have supported genocide. I don’t think you can. You’ll happily admit she did, but you won’t admit she lost a single vote by doing so. That was only the fault of those evil voters and the malicious critics of the genocide wing that is incapable of doing anything wrong ever.

You were told why it was a problem and kept denying it was. Now you’re trying to backpedal.

Tell me I’m insane some more. It’s what you do when you can’t admit you’re wrong.

No, you kept ignoring that her support for genocide lost her the election. You kept repeating the “trump was worse!!!” canard like that somehow made material difference in the results. But not once did you say that she was at fault in any way for the loss you blame the voters alone for.

Second worst is a mistake because voters have standards. Blaming the voters is just an excuse to keep getting worse.

Congratulations on holding out so long and never admitting that harris was wrong. Keep fighting the second worst and no better fight.

You do need therapy man

That’s not your call to make, and it’s certainly not predicated on my disagreeing with you.

You literally said I needed therapy because I disagreed with you.

I’m done dealing with you. Go abuse someone else who doesn’t like people being disenfranchised.

Turnout has been low for decades, and young people and progressives are some of the most unreliable voting blocs

If you never appeal to them, your party will wither and die as its current crop of geriatric dipshits goes to make hell a worse place.

It’s not even like a ‘politicians are duplicitous’ thing, it’s survival of the fittest: conservative Democrats have a much easier job entrenching themselves than progressives because their voters are older and more reliable, so over time this just selects for more conservative politicians.

Democrats do everything they can to block better candidates. The genocidal shit represents you, so you pretend that it represents the will of the people.

You need more voters to win. You know where they are.

Yes, Harris was genocidal, how many times do I have to repeat that!!! Ahhhh

And there are people out there that won’t vote for genocide, no matter how many times you dance around admitting it was wrong for her to do that. No matter how much you blame the voters for having standards.

You’re unwilling to entertain the notion of ever meeting any standard but second worst, and that cannot win.

Are you saying you regret your vote?

You don’t? I had to vote for genocide because centrists manipulated the situation to the point where no other option was on the ballot. Blaming the voters just guarantees the party will be even worse next time.

Harris chose genocide over votes. You’re mad at anyone who said she shouldn’t have done that, and call it “helping trump win.”

That’s you reading in what you needed to hear so that you could have an unnecessary fight with someone on the internet.

That’s me reading what was there in plain text.

Someone explained to you what the problem was and you responded by saying you didn’t see what the problem was.

Oh, I know, I know, even more gaslighting, right?

It seems to be your go-to.

Maybe you could ask your buddy Grok to explain it to me for you.

I need a jynnan tonnyx.

Let’s pretend for a moment that you’re not lying in bad faith about the messaging of the anti-genocide wing of the party. You know what would make it harder for such messaging to take root?

NOT. SUPPORTING. GENOCIDE.

But I don’t know if I agree things are so hopeless, I believe in pushing socialism 24/7 up until about October of an election year.

Then start. “Shut up and vote for genocide” isn’t socialism.

Trump’s base loves the genocide and corruption, and will only vote for the greater evil. Corruption and genocide is only a selling point for centrist democrats, and you can’t win with only centrists and suckers.

Nobody has pushed back on my assertion that Trump is more corrupt,

Trump is more corrupt. That’s not in dispute. He still won because democrats keep chasing fascists to the right under the idiotic assumption that fascists will vote for lesser fascism.

There are left leaning blocs within the Democratic party too.

And the genocide wing does everything it can to oppose them instead of opposing the actual fascists centrists want to be.

Democrats are moving to the right, very obviously because of who showed up to vote.

You don’t get more voters by only appealing to the voters you already have. And you don’t get more voters by offering fascists some genocide abroad as a treat when full fat overt fascism is running against you. You just lose people who don’t like genocide.

You may think it’s unfair that you can’t have your genocide and voters too, but that’s the world we inhabit.

He never lied about being pro-Israel,

And his base are horrible people, so it was a selling point for them. It’s not a selling point for democrats, no matter how much it excites you.

I’m talking specifically about left leaning activists that told people not to vote.

By an astounding coincidence, centrists interpret all criticism as “telling people not to vote.”