I’ll start off by saying I get where the push back is coming from. I heard some of the sub-human things the CEO has said. But I’ve been looking at the competition and I’m not seeing any instant winners.
I get anger I get having morals but constantly changing emails as your main is exhausting. the features Proton offers for me have always worked and worked great.
My question is outside of being a typical CEO AI shareholder simp, has Protons security protocols lapsed ?
What other options ? Particularly ones with generous free tiers.
I’m sure this will get downvoted to hell but I need to ask …
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I personally understand the hate to some degree. But for my uses Proton was a good, useful product a month ago, and that hasn’t changed. If that changes in the future, I will reevaluate.
Agreed. I’ll continue to follow along with the news but am not rushing to jump ship.
Your option is to buy a custom domain and use that for your email, regardless of hosting.
That way, no matter what issue you have with an email hosting company, you can always walk away and lose nothing.
2+ years ago I DeGoogled, bought a domain, and thensigned up for Proton. Which has been great, actually. But I don’t trust them to be great forever. I made that mistake with Google and learned my lesson. Nothing is permanent, not you and not your email hosting provider. Just ask Outlook users.
Just ask Outlook users.
What’s wrong with Outlook email? I’ve been using it for decades.
Not yesterday you weren’t
My question is outside of being a typical CEO AI shareholder simp, has Protons security protocols lapsed ?
Officially, no, but the CEO is pushing them to move faster with AI at the expense of testing things, so it’s frankly just a matter of time.
I don’t, but I am wary now. I also use Proton mail and I have no problem with the service, and I am certainly not going back to Google.
Do whatever you want doood. I aint gonna knowingly put money and my private information into a company run by a dickhead with AI psychosis…especially when it eschews the qualities that their company touted… They seem to be in the race to become another flamingo on the lawn of big tech.
No one has to hate anything. You decide for yourself.
I mostly moved away from Proton last January when I got tired of their lack of Linux support.
With the recent news about Proton’s (and Tuta’s) push for AI, no freaking way will I pay for those services again.
You do make a great point.
Deciding for yourself is a key point.I use Brave on my phone, and whenever I post about it, I almost always get somebody commenting (Cryptobro, Palentir, etc, etc).
The issue is, Firefox is just terrible for me on mobile, and Chromium-based browsers are faster, more efficient, and integrate better with the OS.
I get the sentiment about Brave and not using Chromium, but I’m a person with a job and kids, and Brave/Chromium works better for me
I have no issue with anyone using Brave. I used it for years on Android and Linux.
I switched for two reasons:
- Too much ai commits in Brave.
- I found out how to make Ironfox fast enough to not be too annoying on Android. I set “DNS over HTTPS” to Default.
Without step 2, I’d still be using Brave.
Is your hivemind downlink faulty? You may need to get your thought chip repaired or replaced.
Preach. Smaller communities have much louder echo chambers is what I’ve discovered here.
constantly changing emails as your main is exhausting
Buy a domain. Point it to your email provider. Want to swap providers? You can at any time, email address unaffected
I get how this works for the incoming, but what about outgoing?
Outgoing is also tied to your domain. You set some records under your domain through your domain provider, pointing it to your email service. Ingoing and outgoing then just work without anything else needed
The main reason I don’t? Can’t think of a suitable domain name 😭
Look at these names: Microsoft, Gimp, Latex. They’re all innuendos, but no one bats an eye. Just pick a kookie name, you’ll be fine
Microsoft is is a portmanteau microcomputer software.
Latex is Lamport Tex, not innuendo. Latex is rubber.
Dare I ask… Microsoft?
Warning: Naughty
Micropenis, soft
No way they named it after that, right?
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Right?
They say they didn’t, but who would admit to such a thing anyway?
The burden of proof lies on you—i.e. MS named itself innocently until proven guilty.
However… I don’t think I care :3
and the thosands of stored messages in the inbox?
Export + Import, though you shouldn’t be relying on an email provider to store critical information. Backups always
Yes, you are required to do what the Internet hive mind demands of you, or you’ll have to give up your “Netizen” card.
En Passant is forced
Do you have to hate Proton now? Of course not. But you should be getting some warning lights that the company being advertised and the company Andy Yen wants to run seem to be at odds with each other.
I literally made a post about ditching Proton the other day, you may have even seen it
Amongst other things, and probably an unpopular opinion in this community, I am not important. Adblock and what I think of as good internet habits shield me from the worst that “spying” could do to me and the number of personal email correspondancea I have in a year totals to probably less than three messages. What I’m saying, humbly, is that I could switch back to Google tomorrow without much harm. I never used the VPN. I never used the Drive. Proton Pass and maybe some storage space in the Email were the only things of value from my subscription and not worth $13/month in a fair market. My support for Proton was more of a protest against Big Tech than a dire need for E2E “based in Switzerland” Encryption. But if Andy Yen wants to act like Big Tech, I’ll treat him like Big Tech.
CEO AI shareholder simp, has Protons security protocols lapsed
A quick note that Proton isn’t public and is managed by a non-profit board of trustees, who seem content to let Andy Yen do whatever he wants (no matter how at odds it is to the company mission). No shareholders.
The second point is up for debate, but yeah, IMO, they have. Calling your engineers “losers” for suggesting that AI-written code be tested before shipping and adopting a “more revenue above all else” mindset is a usual indication of security protocols being ignored, but you’ll never know the answer to this question until it’s too late. I would rather be the frog that jumped too early.
You don’t have to think like everyone else - in fact, I’d recommend you don’t. Assess the situation and form your own opinion
My honest advice: If Proton fulfils your needs, stick to it. There are currently no concerns that outweighs the benefits Proton can provide.
A possible alternative would be Mailbox(.org). I would recommend against Tuta, due the absence of JMAP/IMAP (vendor-lockin) and lack of PGP encryption support (means you can only send End-to-End encrypted emails to other Tuta users).
Dude, I tried tuta the other day. In my opinion the free version is so locked down and void of basic expected features that I deleted the account after two days.
Then I set up a self hosted mailcow server and I will never be looking back.
I will be letting my proton subscription laps when the time comes.
My trust in them has dropped significantly with the recent events.
You can’t have privacy without security, and security requires every piece to be secure, not just the backend. All your emails are one xss away from being dumped, regardless of whatever encryption is used.
Why should I trust them to make secure products when their culture is to bully the employees who suggest testing the security of these products?Aside from not wanting to support the shitty behaviour of mocking their employees, I can’t even trust that they’re taking security seriously anymore.
If you believe it was a simple mistake and that they’ll take things more seriously going forward, that’s up to you.
But personally I’m looking into setting up a self-hosted system before my current subscription ends. Can’t trust anyone these days.I get anger I get having morals but constantly changing emails as your main is exhausting. the features Proton offers for me have always worked and worked great.
The problem is that with the plans and ideas Andy Yen are proposing, it seems very likely that it will not work so great in the future. It works now, and I say that as a (non-paying) reluctant Proton user, and it is the best non-personal domain alternative out there, but “for now” is the key words here.
So the hatred is more of a warranted fear of the future (and of course hatred against Andy Yen being yet another carbon copy arrogant AI-techbro CEO).
The only real solution for email is to own your own domain.
Then you can move email providers without changing email addresses.I don’t use them for email but I have a bit over a year left of their VPN service already paid for.
I’ll probably switch before it’s over unless they change course.This and Mullvad are why I only subscribe for a vpn one month at a time. Don’t want to be stuck with a service I paid for that I don’t want to use.
There are various entities who can take your domain away, people seem to forget that.
I mean… sure, but what’s your point?
Having your domain taken away is surely less likely than getting your Gmail or Proton account perma-banned, and it at least gives you some measure of freedom against being locked in to a specific provider.
Your static IPs, your VPS accounts, the connection you get from your ISP, and the electricity that runs your hardware can all be taken away too.
My point is already included in my initial reply.
people seem to forget that.
Okay, let me try asking a different way: are you implying that the possibility of a domain being taken away should be a factor when deciding how to set up a personal email account? Or something else?
Or are you just making an observation that’s unrelated to the email discussion?
Law enforcement…or?
