• SalamiDommie@lemmus.org
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    7 days ago

    ITT - a lot of people making things up. The flag combo is funny and nationalist pilled.

    Contradictions to be found.

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    Capitalist libertarians have always truly been fascists. Their entire ideology is rooted in Social Darwinism.

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      If there was a god or higher being, especially karma or universal reciprocity, the first people to die because of social Darwinism would be the ones propagating social Darwinism.

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      7 days ago

      true

      in the horse shoe theory they populate the gap. all on their own between the commies and the nazis believing whatever toxic shit they like. ready to kill anyone that comes near them

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    Not really.

    It’s “Don’t tread on ME” after all. Pigs don’t tread on them, they just get warnings. They don’t care if other people are tread on.

    Also known as fascism.

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        I find it amazing how this flag became associated with bootlickers. It supposed to symbolize standing up to the king.

        It supposed to be waved by everyone who is willing to stand up against authoritarianism and supports democracy.

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      Authoritarianism. It has no strong preference for left or right. Wherever there’s a strong man. You will have the people that think the strong man protects them and serves them. Even as he serves himself. And the people who are being tread on.

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        The concept of “authoritarianism” is gibberish, that’s why it can be applied to the left and right. All states are authoritarian.

        Unless you’re an anarchist, you’re an authoritarian too. You just think your authority is legitimate and fair and righteous.

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          I haven’t found an adequate explanation of how anarchism works to not be tinder for the fires of corruption and power consolidation.

          I get that these are diseases of all societies, but the institutional systems of a liberal democracy seems at least to slow the process down. Granted, we’ve not had a one that has lasted for a thousand years.

          So —seriously asking — how does anarchism work to last a thousand years?

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            Oh no, I’m not an anarchist. I’m a Marxist, I understand the state to be an organ by which one class represses another.

            That’s why I’m saying “authoritarianism” is gibberish. There’s no other way to organize complex society. For now.

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          I am an enemy of the state in general. All states. Authoritarianism 100% exists. Though I get it. You have a different taste in boots. Authoritarianism of course can’t exist without the state. And the state once it’s achieved a significant size inevitably Trends toward authoritarianism. But they aren’t the same thing that’s just silly. Though if you can explain how a governing state built on something like total/absolute consent is authoritarian/oppressive, I’m all ears.

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            You’re not making sense. If you are you the enemy of the state, why are you pretending that non-authoritarian states exist?

            They obviously don’t. A state literally can’t be built on total/absolute consent unless it’s populated by the Borg. There will always be internal opposition that needs to be repressed by authority and coerced into obedience to maintain order. Hence, gibberish.

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            It absolutely is: prisons, police, borders, it’s all authoritarian. There can’t be such a thing as a non-authoritarian state, because if there was it would be quickly overthrown by people willing to impose authority.

            I’ll at least respect anarchists for being consistent. Anyone who pretends “not me tho I’m different” is a hypocrite.

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              There can’t be such a thing as a non-authoritarian state, because if there was it would be quickly overthrown by people willing to impose authority.

              Ok, cool, and then what. Not sure what do you bring to the table here? Water is wet. Fork found in the kitchen.

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      100% this.

      “Don’t infringe on what I determine to be my rights; but abduct/kill anyone I determine to be an enemy”

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        Enemy in this case being determined as being anyone with brown skin, women, arbitrary list of people they don’t particularly like, political adversaries, and anyone with an IQ greater than that of a sea pickle.

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      The top flag is the ‘thin blue line’ flag, which promotes the idea that police are the only thing standing between civilization and a murder-happy anarchist dystopia. You’ll generally see this flag and ideology attached to right wing authoritarians.

      The lower flag is the Gadsden flag, which features a defensively positioned rattlesnake and the words, “Don’t tread on me.” It was originally a symbol of the colonial independence movement, but the Confederacy used it extensively during the civil war, causing association with the South. It eventually became associated with small government libertarian and anti-authoritarian types in later years, but never lost its association with the Confederacy. More recently, the Republican party started associating themselves with the Gadsden flag both due to their pro-deregulation stance, which they have tried to advertise as them being the party of small government, and as part of The Southern Strategy, an attempt to lure disenfranchised racist voters in the South. As the Republican party as moved further and further to the right, the Gadsden flag has sometimes been used as a neo-fascist symbol. There have been attempts to reappropriate it by anti-authoritarian and anti-fascist groups, however.

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        The rattlesnake flag is, in my opinion, a flag that had amazing symbolism for what it represented. A defensive rattlesnake gives plenty of warning, and when push comes to shove, will defend itself and its territory. Then, it got picked up by a group of people who act though and Brave, constantly threaten people, then run away or panic at the first sign of push back.

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          Yeah they should get a new flag with an angry lemming on it, extremely aggressive but not really a threat, and basically just irritating.

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    I knew an “anarcho-capitalist” who believed that cops should be the only service the state provides, to guarantee fair and free market competition or some bs like that.

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      You can inform them that what they’re arguing for is a ‘minarchist’ or ‘nightwatchman state’.

      It’s still nonsense but at least they’ll call themselves by the right label.

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      It’s always fun to ask these types difficult questions that they haven’t thought about.

      So if somebody burns your house down in an arson attack and is subsequently arrested by the police, that’s a job done is it, you are not requiring any additional support, compensation, or assistance. The fact that the miscreant has been arrested is good enough for you is it?

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        Libertarian view would be the private versions of those things exist.

        Communist view is that everyone will help take care of you because it’s the right thing to do.

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        The people I’ve talked to with that belief system typically hold that it’s not specifically the police who should exist, but include the justice system to an extent.
        So they would have the courts force them to make it right to you, and end there.
        If you didn’t have the ability to weather the calamity that’s your fault for not having insurance or a fire department subscription.

        It’s a stupid position, but I can at least get behind getting rid of a punitive justice system and focusing more on restoration. I just also like things like roads more than I’m offended by the abstract concept of theft via fiscal policy.

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    To have cognitive dissonance there has to be some semblance of cognition. They can follow all these conflicting beliefs because there has been zero thought put in to it, literally zero. Nobody has forced them to engage their brain so it’s an atrophied reactionary toddler level turd living between their ears.