Edit: Yes I understand white privilege. But, don’t all celebrities have privilege? Don’t all wealthy people have privilege? I don’t know why people insist on turning classism into racism.
We have a moral obligation to use our privilege and platforms to protect children and human rights.
She has been blasted 24/7 for not “staying in her lane”, so I think she understandably wants to draw a direct causal line explaining why this “is her lane”.
yes we should, but the problem is that is the anglosphere doesn’t now what the anglosphere is – they literally think it’s just white people 99% of the time. lol
Ok but you could just say NFL owner without the white in this case. I’d never imagine them to live in a ghetto no matter their race. The fact that they’re (probably, havent checked the link yet) all white does not mean I don’t associate the ownership part with wealth. Wealth is dirty no matter the color.
30 out of 32 NFL owners are white billionaires. All colluding to prevent somebody from using their stadiums to give support to brown people that are being mass murdered by other white people.
I also find it funny that if you click the link, the first person in the list is the only non white owner. What are the odds.
Yes but the point you’re missing is that the way you focus on it, it makes it seems like their “whiteness” is the reason they are evil, not their billionaire status. Like it would be ok if they weren’t white.
Do you get where I’m going with this?
Well, this is the entire story we’re commenting on. The billionaire NFL owners own these stadium, and are working together to prevent Macklemore from spreading his message.
Yeah but to the rest of us its just sportsball and we have no reason to know it’s a very racist sport. Meanwhile we have billionaire owners of our own sportsball teams in all colors and we still think they’re nasty.
Don’t leftists recognize the real struggle is class based? Every time you distort it to be race based you encourage the in fighting that the Epstein class wants you to do.
A fatal mistake for leftists is to narrow in on only class. Class is extremely important, but it’s not everything. As working class people, we have to acknowledge the harm that occurs to people in minority groups. If our class-based politics aren’t intersectional with queer, black, brown, women, and other political minorities, we will not achieve a classless society
I’m not saying to ignore them but to really understand them you have to start with class as it is the bedrock upon which racial and gender discrimination is built. They are not separate systems but simply sub and super sets of the same system.
Yes, but the system of class oppression manifests differently for these diverse groups, which means that all individuals will have a unique perspective on these systems of class oppression. A queer person has a different experience from a black person. A black trans woman will have a unique experience that is intersectional to queer, black, and women’s struggles for liberation.
For us to dismantle class oppression, we need to understand and address how class is used to oppress minorities
I’m not saying to ignore them but to really understand them you have to start with class as it is the bedrock upon which racial and gender discrimination is built. They are not separate systems but simply sub and super sets of the same system.
Are all those minority groups part of the 99% being oppressed by the Epstein class? Yes. They are part of the classist system. Obviously they’re included, nobody should have to suffer homelessness, starvation, lack of healthcare, etc…
.world, the reddit refugee instance, is the biggest instance by a good margin. That instance alone gets you like 10% nazis and 60% one minor inconvenience away from being a nazi.
You can also count on two hands the amount of them who won’t gleefully gloat at nazi violence as punishment for not conforming to the whims of their DNC masters. The masked Gesta/pol/ just shot your wife and put your children in a small cage? Welp, shouldn’t have ruined brunch
“The way people higher up our social hierarchies are reliably listened to over those lower down these unjust rankings is itself a major injustice. And it’s a pernicious everyday fact of life under oppressive systems like patriarchy and white supremacy. But there’s a right way and a wrong way to respond to the situation as a more privileged person. The right way involves speaking up when others who are less privileged won’t be heeded in the same way, and then using your power and privilege to amplify the voices of the marginalized folks who’ve long been shouting into the void. A wrong way is speaking over those who are better positioned to understand the issues due to their lived experience. But there’s another wrong way too: maintaining a scrupulous silence.”
“When powerful and privileged white people speak in defense of Black and brown people subject to state violence and colonization and genocide, there’s often a long overdue moment of reckoning.”
Of course the white progressiveness still has white hubris even when trying to do something good: they have to be reminded of that every time, with extreme prejudice even.
I doubt that time is in Lemmy’s side – the Epstein class’s brainworms have proven to be self sustaining enough to trigger episodes like piefed and tesseract’s attempts to suppress leftist content so it’s only a matters of time until something sticks – presuming that it hasn’t already happened.
Presumably she wanted to respect the fact that nonwhite celebrities might have causes closer to home that need their financial support. Or just that she can’t speak for them, so she’s staying in her lane. And calling out those whose extra privilege makes them extra blind.
Dumb to specify white celebrities.
Edit: Yes I understand white privilege. But, don’t all celebrities have privilege? Don’t all wealthy people have privilege? I don’t know why people insist on turning classism into racism.
Later in her statement:
She has been blasted 24/7 for not “staying in her lane”, so I think she understandably wants to draw a direct causal line explaining why this “is her lane”.
the anglosphere is the primary driver of the genocide happening in gaza rn
So only the “anglosphere” should donate to defend them? Do you actually want to defend them or do you just want something performative?
Nobody is preventing others from donating as well. This is about calling out the anglosphere for their inaction.
That’s the most clarifying take I’ve heard. Thanks, that perspective makes sense.
Reading comprehension would have brought you to that explanation yesterday.
Ms Rachel calling on wealthy white celebrities to donate in no way means that no one else can donate.
And you ruined it by being condescending.
Oh no…. Anyway…
I love your responses here lmao.
yes we should, but the problem is that is the anglosphere doesn’t now what the anglosphere is – they literally think it’s just white people 99% of the time. lol
Talking about “performative” when you’re weaponizing performative wokeness rn lmao
What?
If every white NFL owner donated $1 million, they’d make $30 million. Their net worths would go down by 0%
https://www.nfl.com/photos/team-owners-of-the-nfl-09000d5d824c9f3c#c45018dc-a23b-460a-a61e-d5c44840c095
Ok but you could just say NFL owner without the white in this case. I’d never imagine them to live in a ghetto no matter their race. The fact that they’re (probably, havent checked the link yet) all white does not mean I don’t associate the ownership part with wealth. Wealth is dirty no matter the color.
30 out of 32 NFL owners are white billionaires. All colluding to prevent somebody from using their stadiums to give support to brown people that are being mass murdered by other white people.
I also find it funny that if you click the link, the first person in the list is the only non white owner. What are the odds.
Yes but the point you’re missing is that the way you focus on it, it makes it seems like their “whiteness” is the reason they are evil, not their billionaire status. Like it would be ok if they weren’t white. Do you get where I’m going with this?
Their whiteness is relevant to them using their power to prevent people from spreading a message that highlights the suffering of brown people
Ok that must be a football thing then. I’m not american so that’s not a context I’d think about.
Well, this is the entire story we’re commenting on. The billionaire NFL owners own these stadium, and are working together to prevent Macklemore from spreading his message.
Yeah but to the rest of us its just sportsball and we have no reason to know it’s a very racist sport. Meanwhile we have billionaire owners of our own sportsball teams in all colors and we still think they’re nasty.
What does that have to do with anything?
It has something to do with something
Something not related.
Or something else
I’m impressed, I haven’t seen white fragility this fragile since the George Floyd uprising
There’s a comment crying about white lives on every single one of these posts.
Of course there is. For a leftist space, lemmy seems to have a lot of it. It’s disappointing
Don’t leftists recognize the real struggle is class based? Every time you distort it to be race based you encourage the in fighting that the Epstein class wants you to do.
A fatal mistake for leftists is to narrow in on only class. Class is extremely important, but it’s not everything. As working class people, we have to acknowledge the harm that occurs to people in minority groups. If our class-based politics aren’t intersectional with queer, black, brown, women, and other political minorities, we will not achieve a classless society
You should read
-W.E.B. Du Bois, Black Reconstruction in America
-Oliver C. Cox, Caste, Class, and Race: A Study in Social Dynamics
-Friedrich Engels, The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State
-Lise Vogel, Marxism and the Oppression of Women: Toward a Unitary Theory
Racial and Gender discrimination is a direct product of class relations not a second system operating alongside it.
That doesn’t mean we ignore racial and gender discrimination to focus only on class.
I’m not saying to ignore them but to really understand them you have to start with class as it is the bedrock upon which racial and gender discrimination is built. They are not separate systems but simply sub and super sets of the same system.
Yes, but the system of class oppression manifests differently for these diverse groups, which means that all individuals will have a unique perspective on these systems of class oppression. A queer person has a different experience from a black person. A black trans woman will have a unique experience that is intersectional to queer, black, and women’s struggles for liberation.
For us to dismantle class oppression, we need to understand and address how class is used to oppress minorities
As I replied to the other person
I only wish I had more than one upvote for this comment. You are exactly right.
Are all those minority groups part of the 99% being oppressed by the Epstein class? Yes. They are part of the classist system. Obviously they’re included, nobody should have to suffer homelessness, starvation, lack of healthcare, etc…
Lemmy is majority reactionary.
.world, the reddit refugee instance, is the biggest instance by a good margin. That instance alone gets you like 10% nazis and 60% one minor inconvenience away from being a nazi.
Got a lot of libs who think they are progressives in these parts because they are marginally less bad than Trump supporters and their ilk
You can also count on two hands the amount of them who won’t gleefully gloat at nazi violence as punishment for not conforming to the whims of their DNC masters. The masked Gesta/pol/ just shot your wife and put your children in a small cage? Welp, shouldn’t have ruined brunch
Been arguing with more than one of them still (a waste of time)
Please, think of the white male minority 😂
They’re the most oppressed on Lemmy, don’cha know.
In the same way “all lives matter” or “not all men” or “equal lefts”?
Read the room, pal. Whites have privilege, privilege is power, and refusing to do good with the privileges youre given is objectively evil.
“The way people higher up our social hierarchies are reliably listened to over those lower down these unjust rankings is itself a major injustice. And it’s a pernicious everyday fact of life under oppressive systems like patriarchy and white supremacy. But there’s a right way and a wrong way to respond to the situation as a more privileged person. The right way involves speaking up when others who are less privileged won’t be heeded in the same way, and then using your power and privilege to amplify the voices of the marginalized folks who’ve long been shouting into the void. A wrong way is speaking over those who are better positioned to understand the issues due to their lived experience. But there’s another wrong way too: maintaining a scrupulous silence.”
“When powerful and privileged white people speak in defense of Black and brown people subject to state violence and colonization and genocide, there’s often a long overdue moment of reckoning.”
Source
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Of course the white progressiveness still has white hubris even when trying to do something good: they have to be reminded of that every time, with extreme prejudice even.
White people continuing to not recognize their privilege. A tale as old as time.
On Lemmy.ml even 😔
Give it some time. More reasonable voices may pop in here :)
I doubt that time is in Lemmy’s side – the Epstein class’s brainworms have proven to be self sustaining enough to trigger episodes like piefed and tesseract’s attempts to suppress leftist content so it’s only a matters of time until something sticks – presuming that it hasn’t already happened.
I’ve found a good number of people who participate here are quite reasonable and lovely.
Lmao, ok to specify celebrities, but why only white?
Who has the most power in society in terms of racial disposition?
Sure, why not. Celebrities by definition have the attention of many people. I just don’t see the point of narrowing that down even further.
Presumably she wanted to respect the fact that nonwhite celebrities might have causes closer to home that need their financial support. Or just that she can’t speak for them, so she’s staying in her lane. And calling out those whose extra privilege makes them extra blind.
Because wealthy white celebrities have more influence.
That’s a weak excuse. By definition a subset of influential people still have less influence than the entire group of influential people.
Tell that to Oprah and every book she’s ever placed at the top of the best seller list.
Hahahahahahaha
Haaaaaahahahahahahahahaha
Because Ms. Rachel is intelligent.