• FlexibleToast@lemmy.world
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          16 hours ago

          Don’t leftists recognize the real struggle is class based? Every time you distort it to be race based you encourage the in fighting that the Epstein class wants you to do.

          • rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            13 hours ago

            A fatal mistake for leftists is to narrow in on only class. Class is extremely important, but it’s not everything. As working class people, we have to acknowledge the harm that occurs to people in minority groups. If our class-based politics aren’t intersectional with queer, black, brown, women, and other political minorities, we will not achieve a classless society

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              12 hours ago

              You should read

              -W.E.B. Du Bois, Black Reconstruction in America

              -Oliver C. Cox, Caste, Class, and Race: A Study in Social Dynamics

              -Friedrich Engels, The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State

              -Lise Vogel, Marxism and the Oppression of Women: Toward a Unitary Theory

              Racial and Gender discrimination is a direct product of class relations not a second system operating alongside it.

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                  12 hours ago

                  I’m not saying to ignore them but to really understand them you have to start with class as it is the bedrock upon which racial and gender discrimination is built. They are not separate systems but simply sub and super sets of the same system.

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                    12 hours ago

                    Nah, we can start with all of it, we don’t need to sideline gender and racial discrimination in favor of class first. We’ve been there, we’ve done that. We elevated pieces of shit like Cesar Chavez despite him raping women and little girls because class issues are most important. Leftists make a dire mistake at elevating class over all other discrimination based on faulty readings of leftist ideology.

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                12 hours ago

                Yes, but the system of class oppression manifests differently for these diverse groups, which means that all individuals will have a unique perspective on these systems of class oppression. A queer person has a different experience from a black person. A black trans woman will have a unique experience that is intersectional to queer, black, and women’s struggles for liberation.

                For us to dismantle class oppression, we need to understand and address how class is used to oppress minorities

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                  12 hours ago

                  As I replied to the other person

                  I’m not saying to ignore them but to really understand them you have to start with class as it is the bedrock upon which racial and gender discrimination is built. They are not separate systems but simply sub and super sets of the same system.

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                    12 hours ago

                    In that sense, I agree. If we start on the basis of class, we’ll understand the dynamics at play that drives discrimination

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              12 hours ago

              Are all those minority groups part of the 99% being oppressed by the Epstein class? Yes. They are part of the classist system. Obviously they’re included, nobody should have to suffer homelessness, starvation, lack of healthcare, etc…

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            .world, the reddit refugee instance, is the biggest instance by a good margin. That instance alone gets you like 10% nazis and 60% one minor inconvenience away from being a nazi.

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          2 days ago

          Got a lot of libs who think they are progressives in these parts because they are marginally less bad than Trump supporters and their ilk

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            You can also count on two hands the amount of them who won’t gleefully gloat at nazi violence as punishment for not conforming to the whims of their DNC masters. The masked Gesta/pol/ just shot your wife and put your children in a small cage? Welp, shouldn’t have ruined brunch