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No but it is cruel as fuck and rooted in religious bigotry
God is stupid and can’t create good genitals as is.
Genital mutilation.
why the fuck would it? fuck these cunts. Also, quit mutilating kids.
Never thought it did.
Still ain’t right.
What? Who are these people that were even linking these two things? I’m actually shocked I can still be surprised by stupidity.
They should still stop doing it though.
Who the fuck thought it did?
All the people who don’t want autism to be genetic.
No no let them keep believing it so they finally stop mutilating kids.
It increases risk of an exposed glans tho
I was going to put in my two cents (troll), but nearly all of the comments in here make sense. Circumcision is for lazy idiots.
Eh. I like not cleaning smegma out of my uncircumcised dick. I’m totally fine with being circumcised without my permission and with no memory of the pain of the procedure and I’m glad I didn’t have to make that decision as an adult.
They also vaccinated me without my persmission. I’m ok with that too. My parents also forced me to get braces when I didn’t want to. Glad about that too.
Downvote. I really don’t care. I’m kinda just tired of this conversation.
I’m kinda just tired of this conversation
Is that why you came in here and wrote two paragraphs only just barely tangentially related to the article?
Pretty small paragraphs. Took me a whopping 15 seconds for the entire comment cuz I’m on a computer and stuck at work. Rest assured, I wouldn’t be bothering if it was a weekend. You can check my comments. I don’t do social media on weekends.
I guess I care enough to tell people there are some benefits to circumcision and to stop worrying about it and focus on topics that actually matter. It’s very much a “social justice warrior” type thing to give a shit about.
Are you sure you don’t want to argue about it more? You really have a lot of “I want to argue about it” energy.
What’s to argue? My dick is easier to deal with because it’s circumcised. It may not be a lot easier, but it’s easier nonetheless. And never once in my life have I suffered repercussions from a procedure I don’t even remember.
The argument against is that it’s done without the permission of the individual. But that’s a stupid argument because all sorts of body decisions are made for us without our permission by our guardians as we grow up. Do you think no one should get braces as a child and the decision should be made when they’re adults when it’s way harder and takes way longer to re-adjust adult teeth? Do you think children shouldn’t be vaccinated at all and that it should only be done once they’re adults?
That dumb argument may fly if there were NO benefits to circumcision AT ALL. But there are.
Alright, you definitely want to argue. Let’s lock it in.
My dick is easier to deal with because it’s circumcised.
This is going to shock you, I’m sure, but you must also wash your circumcised dick, and procedure is is roughly the same… Water, soap, rinse dry, whether you’ve got a foreskin or not. If it takes an extra 2 seconds to wash the extra bits of an uncircumcised penis, the the lifetime “extra cleaning” penalty of not having part of your penis lopped off is ~15 hours. Congrats, we’re mangling children at birth to save 15 hrs of their life. What are you doing with those 15 hours? Because from the looks of it, you spent that much time crafting half-assed replies about how you’re “so tired of arguing” for circumcisions.
The argument against is that it’s done without the permission of the individual.
No, that’s your argument against it. The actual argument against it is that genital mutilation of a baby is wrong, full stop. Let’s be clear here as well, medically necessary procedures are not genital mutilation, and gender affirming care when done with the knowledge and consent of the subject is not genital mutilation either.
all sorts of body decisions are made for us without our permission by our guardians as we grow up…
Absolutely, part of being a parent is making informed decisions for your child that they are incapable of making. Vaccines are medically necessary, and the parent(s) should be getting their child vaccinated. Braces, are frequently necessary for proper articulation, and properly aligned teeth last longer and make it easier to eat (ask me why I know this), and while not all cases of braces may be medically necessary, you’ll note that we aren’t gluing orthodontic devices in the mouths of newborns that can’t resist the procedure. If you take a child to an orthodontist, and the child pitches a fit, refuses to open their mouth, and in general resists the procedure, I guarantee you, the orthodontist will not treat them, even if the parents come in and physically restrain the child. Your two, (rather shitty) examples simply do not support your claim that other medically unnecessary body-altering procedures are okay to inflict on people who are physically, mentally, and socially unable to resist.
That dumb argument may fly if there were NO benefits to circumcision AT ALL. But there are.
Let’s add another layer to it. Do you condone Female Genital Mutilation (FGM)? Do you think it’s not a big deal? I promise you, any reason you can find to support circumcisions, I can use to support FGM. If you support cirucmcison on the same grounds, then you must support FGM by the same logic, unless you think the only thing that determines if a procedure is genital mutilation depends entirely on if the gentials are attached to a boy, or if they are attached to a girl.
And “social justice warriors” are very much a “fucking chud” thing to give shit about.
cleaning smegma out of my uncircumcised dick
That’s a manufactured issue, btw, on the scale of cutting off your big toe so you don’t have to figure out which shoe goes on which foot.
It’s a space in which things can accumulate that I don’t have to worry about because I don’t have that space. Not once in my life have I suffered repercussions from not having that space.
Cleaning it doesn’t really take any effort. Its not like you need to go digging around in there.
Cleaning it doesn’t really take any effort.
But cleaning it is, in itself, effort. Effort I’ve never had to put forth.
Are you telling us you never clean your knob?
I like not cleaning smegma out of my uncircumcised dick.
You know this doesn’t actually ever happen unless you never wash yourself, right? In which case you probably have many other problems anyway.
That’s what he just said, that he likes not having to clean it.
“I don’t want to ever clean my dick”
Uh, ok.
Stupid, simplified argument in which you had to put words into my mouth and quoted something I never said in order to make your argument. Bad form.
Cleaning an uncircumcised dick is harder than cleaning a circumcised dick. Period.
I’m not implying it’s a lot harder. It’s simply an extra step that I have never, and will never, have to worry about.
Still genital mutiliation and child sex abuse
Agree. I’m from Europe and I find it very weird how common it is in the US
I’m from the US and didn’t circumcise my son. It’s really simple. Who doesn’t want more penis? I’d take more penis. Penis is all good. Why subtract penis?
When my older brother had a son he DID circumcise him. When I asked why, he gave me this head shake as if to say “huh? what?” and all he said was “that’s just how they do it at the hospital we went to.”
I mean labor and childbirth are a whirlwind so I don’t blame anyone for losing a detail or two. Unless that detail subtracts a part of my penis. Then we gone fight.
I have a hard time faulting people for following a doctor’s recommendation if that’s what was going on.
That’s overstating it. There wasn’t even a conversation about it let alone anything as strong as a doctor’s recommendation. More like a default hospital protocol. Which I’m sure you’d agree should be open to question.
The first time I saw an un-circumcised penis was in porn when I was in my early 20s, I think. What little sex ed we had in the rural US in the '80s and early '90s didn’t even have an image of one that wasn’t circumcised so far as I recall. I thought it was some kind of birth defect or something.
It’s SO common in the US that while growing up I felt ashamed and incredibly self concious of being uncircumsized in high school showers. Life’s so strange.
Yep, I got teased for it
I feel your pain brother.
It’s not really a thing outside the USA? At least not in Canada anymore. I’m one of a bunch of kids and about halfway through my siblings they stopped recommending it.
Confused the hell out of 8 year old me tasked with giving my 3 year old brother a shower.
Thankfully the millennial generation has started doing away with circumcising our children. Last time I checked, which was admittedly 10 years ago, the circumcision rates were closer to 50/50 in the US.
Update: It’s dropped below 50%!
“We reviewed over 1.5 million U.S. hospitalizations of male neonates, ages 0 to 28 days, during the period 2012 to 2022, and found that the overall prevalence of hospitalizations where a neonatal male circumcision was performed decreased significantly, from 54.1% to 49.3%,” says study co-senior author Aaron Tobian, M.D., Ph.D., professor of pathology at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “Decreases were observed across most patient and hospital subgroups, including whites — a group with traditionally high circumcision rates — where circumcisions dropped 5.3% over the decade studied.”
My husband started out with the “he should look like me…” and then quickly came around after a bit of reading. The Adam Ruins Everything on circumcision is great!
It’s good to know it’s moving toward not maiming kids. I’m afraid to ask about vaccination rates because my sister’s kids are of questionable status on that front, and my sister won’t talk about such things. Very alternative hippy type.
I wish the stats were even better than they are now honestly. I think it’s a horrendous practice.
you beat me to that exact phrase 👍
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also, European or not… The US sucks 👍
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I accidentally replied under the wrong comment and deleted within seconds :) Not sure how you managed to reply twice. I see replies sometimes persist in messages/notifications despite being deleted from the thread. Anyway.
lmao… right, carry on!
Yes bit it doesn’t cause autism so it’s not bad/wrong.
can we still like, stop doing it though ?
No, sorry; tradition.
SKY CAKE
BuT tHe CeReAl MaN sAiD wE sHoUlD!!!1!
It’s not mandatory, so… yes!
What kind of craziness would cause a person to think that it might?
Trauma on infants can cause fears and disorders later in life
Probably the same craziness that causes people to think vaccines cause autism.
I got som’ Tylenol for you if you have coin for me :>
I would hazard a guess, which obviously I don’t know if this is what they’re really thinking or not, but I would guess that since there are behavioral overlaps between ASD and CPTSD, that somebody might have made the connection.
That being said, there’s no evidence that circumcision gives people CPTSD on its own, at least none that I am aware of, and if somebody else knows more than I do, (which is quite easy to do), feel free to educate me.
My partner is triggered if reminded that it’s circumcised
Yeah but c’mon, no even halfway-functional adult that doesn’t need a constant “breathe in breathe out” soundtrack playing to explain breathing would suspect vaccines of causing autism. That’d be absurd, we all learn their basic workings in middle school or even earlier, they’re a very known concept.
Welcome to 2026. Hope your cryo sleep was good. You will find that this kind of craziness is now pervasive.
I. C. Weiner…?
I could maybe see how the pain and/or trauma of it could alter how the brain might develop, but even that’s a stretch…
Autism isn’t a trauma response!
Especially given the crossover between asd and CPTSD, it doesn’t strike me as an insane thing to look at, but I’m also not surprised it’s not related.
Genital mutiliation and child sexual abuse can have extreme consequences on mental development. It’s a (well-intentioned) case of bad cause-effect analysis.
What kind of craziness would cause a person to do it in the first place?
Abusive murderous wizard friend needs his favorite little calamari rings.
neurospices are stored in the foreskin, when you cut it they get released into the bloodstream! /s
You’re against circumcision because you believe it causes autism.
I’m against circumcision because I believe genitally mutilating non-consenting infants is an atrocity.
We are not the same.
Agree and all, but to add - I road bike and run ultra marathons. When doing super long distances, you’re gonna end up chafing a bit (probably). I would much rather my foreskin get the rub as opposed to THE SENSITIVE TIP OF MY DICK.
You know what really hurts? Water hitting raw skin that’s been rubbed in shorts or a bike bib for 4+ hours.
I’m sure it will have negative long term impacts to my ability to be stimulated.
Yeah, something a lot of people don’t realize is that circumcized dicks lose a lot of sensitivity due to the excessive friction they go endure throughout each day just by moving around normally.
I read somewhere that intact dicks are basically a mucus membrane underneath the foreskin. That’s wild, my dick skin is more like the skin on the back of my hand. No wonder people are so obsessed with sex, it must feel so damn good for uncircumcised people. Something I’ll never experience. Damn religion.
Well, better than not being against it…
Yeah, honestly if this is a psyop to return a little bit of humanity to the world then I’m alright with it
