I’m not saying that all Catholics think this, but most do. also sorry if the seahorse is hard to see X—X
Seahorses aren’t a great example here imo. Their biology is just different from ours, the sex that fertilizes is the sex that carries the eggs to term - that doesn’t make them trans that is just how male and female work for seahorses, different than humans.
A seahorse could make this meme calling cis women trans men because they carry the fetus…
I just like seahorses
Gender fuckery and homosexuality are present in almost every single animal species.
Humans are the only ones who developed bigotry about them
Don’t fucking talk to me about “unnatural”
I dunno, I’m sure if we looked hard we could find at least one baboon bigot out there.
My biggest issue with this whole thing is just writing “POV” at the start.
Is this like the new generations communication habit? Some people can’t stop putting lol at the end of a message, some people cant stop saying “so here’s the thing” at the start of sentences. Are people just automatically writing POV at the start of memes now?
POV you’re being annoyed about “point of view” being used to describe a speech or vision as if you were the mentioned groupe
That’s okay, it’ll pass one day, you’ll adapt
Or the idiots will have to learn.
Now who are the real idiots? The ones that are stuck in the past, refusing to understand change and being infuriated because a language is being used slightly differently, or the younger ones that are adapting the language and updating it with new speech patterns to better match what they want to express?
Just let me be clear, it incenses me just as much as you, lol, but here’s the thing, run on sentences are much worse for us in the interim and we need to circle back around so that that issue becomes a lesser thing, lest we forget the true horrors of english perpetuating themselves through a normalization of nominalization that makes a trivialization of our original lines in the sand aaaaand now I’m just getting into the weeds with my niche micro-interests and brought in too many limes.
yeah sorry
POV you’re sorry
POV I don’t change anything about my behavior or habits
Could you please take this seriously and go resubmit this comment chain with lol following each response. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
I think being true to yourself is being closer to God than most Christians are.
honestly
Isn’t this confusing sex and gender?
Nevee really understood those terms. Can someone explain in a simple way?
Sex is biology, gender is sociology.
Your biological sex is the physical manifestation. It involves your genitals and genes. That is why it is called a sex-change and not a gender-change.
Your gender is how society perceives you. It is a spectrum between masculine and feminine. And not a single person in this world is pure masculine or feminine, since it also differs between societies. Like wearing a skirt is seen in most places as something feminine, but go to Scotland and there it is masculine.
Your gender is how society perceives you. It is a spectrum between masculine and feminine
Not quite. It’s got nothing to do with how people perceive you. A closeted trans woman is still a woman, even though she’s perceived as a man.
It’s also not inherently defined by femininity or masculinity. You can be a masculine woman or a feminine man, or you can simply not give a shit about masculinity or femininity (this is me). Society defines what we consider masculine and feminine, and creates powerful associations between these behaviours and gender, but the association is “after the fact”
go to Scotland and there it is masculine.
I wouldn’t say that. In Scotland wearing a skirt is still seen as feminine. Wearing a very special kind of skirt is seen as masculine in certain contexts. If you’re wearing a kilt, a sporran (the purse thing), knee length socks, the right kind of shoes, etc. it’s definitely a masculine style of dress. But, without all the accessories it’s more ambiguous whether it’s male or female. And if it’s not a tartan at all – say a miniskirt, that’s definitely still feminine in Scotland.
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It’s not actually called “sex change surgery” it is called gender affirmation surgery and/or gender reassignment surgery.
So it’s not so much a misnomer as it is uninformed people using the wrong terminology entirely.
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Why do you care so much about what other people do with their genitals?
I believe you are technically correct
Problem is everyone has a different definition of the words, but I believe that from the scientific POV it is true
Got it.
Your gender is how society perceives you. It is a spectrum between masculine and feminine.
So, what is gay, lesbian etc? If they are genders, aren’t there masculine gay men and feminine lesbian women? Aren’t those terms based on what the biological sex is + what gender(sex?) a person is attracted to?
Gay, lesbian, etc. are sexualities, which has nothing specifically to do with gender per se. Gender is a performance we do based upon what our culture expects of us based on specific labels and (often physical) traits. Think “goth girl” or “punk” or something. When given a label like that, you probably thought of a specific set of physical traits and behaviors, including fashion, hairstyle, and makeup. That’s gender in a nutshell. Sexuality is more “if not attractive, then why x shaped?”
It gets complicated because people really like to put things into an either/or box when life is so much more than a or b. Originally, sexualities were defined as two states: heterosexual and homosexual. Hetero, meaning other, means an attraction to the other sex (generally thought of as the opposite sex/gender due to a lack of information on intersex folk and the aforementioned two boxes appeal in the human psyche). And the opposite would be homosexual - an attraction to people of the same sex. But this is an elementary level of understanding, like when we teach kids about the 3 states of matter and leave out things like plasma.
Because people have preferences and all straight men aren’t attracted to 100% of women, and then there’s lesbians and gay men and bisexuals and then there’s how gender presentation plays into our attraction like with butch vs femme lesbians or how men and women both can appreciate a girl who could bench press them. And then some people are into femboys and women only while some are into men that belong in the Scottish Highlands wearing kilts and claymores and women who own fainting couches and ball gowns and wouldn’t even glance at anything outside of those 2 groups, and then some people are only attracted to specific body parts (dick or pussy) but are less strict on who those parts are attached to, and then there’s the people who don’t care about anything beyond personality, and then…the list goes on and on.
And then it gets even more complicated when you start talking about romantic attraction, because that’s entirely its own spectrum as well. People can be romantically attracted to the same or different genders compared to sexual attraction. Some people are sexually attracted to multiple genders but could only see themselves dating one specific gender, some people experience no romantic attraction at all or no sexual attraction, or even both together. The human brain is a massive mess and there’s simply no way to easily quantify the human experience - if we even can at all. I saw a post recently that went something like “the brain is 3lbs of mostly fat puppeting a meat suit by using less electricity than a light bulb, and if it can hallucinate algebra into existence then I’m fully willing to believe that it’s also capable of identifying its own gender” and I think that sums it up pretty nicely.
The only thing I would add to your post is that whilst gender is a performance, that’s not all it is. It can also be, and very often is, an internal sense of identity distinct from the social manifestation of that identity.
Gay and lesbian are not describing gender, but sexual attraction.
Sexual attraction has been traditionally part of the gender identity, as have been other factors like dressing style, hobbies, home and work responsabilities, and a lot more.
Most sexual attraction descriptions are very subjective, because they sometimes describe gender and sometimes sex.So, our terminology needs to be updated.
Not directly. Trans men can get pregnant too (it may or may not be possible if they are on hormones but as long as the Organs are still there they should be table to get pregnant.
Right, that’s my point. Since we don’t know anything about the thoughts of seahorses or about seahorse society, we can’t apply labels like “trans” to seahorses, the only thing we know about is their biology, so sex, not gender.
Male seahorse get pregnant, but that doesn’t make them trans, they’re unambiguously male. This is a great example of why sex is defined by gamete size. If it weren’t, we couldn’t talk about males and females in any useful way across the animal kingdom.
Clownfish would be a better example as they’re sequential hermaphrodites, but that doesn’t have any bearing on the human sex binary.
*the non-existent human sex binary
This is often a point of confusion, but human sex is binary. There’s edge cases that require clarification as to how they fit into the binary, but don’t disprove it.
Human sexuality overall is complex and that’s why we differentiate gender from sex. The sex binary and gender spectrum complement each other though, and don’t clash.
If you’re interested in learning more, here’s some background reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonochorism
We fall into that category, where we have two body plans, each organized around producing either sperm or ova. Other species have more body plans, such as recognizably distinct males, females, and hermaphrodites:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trioecy
Those species are a good contrast. Humans don’t have that variation, and so sex is binary in humans.
There’s literature that explains this specifically in detail, though most of it doesn’t really explicitly talk about it, much like math papers don’t generally explain that integers can be added together.
There’s edge cases that require clarification
Ok, yes. That’s where I believe the binary is false.
You have red, you have blue, and then there’s a bunch of egde cases. To me that’s not the end of the story. I believe purple exists.
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Ok there Isaac Newton. Call it violet.
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Do you have a particular edge case in mind? One that’s commonly brought up is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovotesticular_syndrome, but that doesn’t fall outside the sex binary. Having a bit of nonfunctional tissue doesn’t affect one’s sex.
Colors aren’t a great analogy either, because in anisogamous species, gametes are strictly binary. There’s sperm and ova, with 0 overlap and 0 other options. “Purple gametes” just don’t exist.
This also isn’t my opinion, this is the accepted definition in the field of biology.
Not anymore, no.
Sex Redefined: The Idea of 2 Sexes Is Overly Simplistic | Scientific American https://share.google/T8SeIlF6VVw1nWogD
From the author of that paper:
https://xcancel.com/ClaireAinsworth/status/888365994577735680
In your piece ‘Sex Redefined’ are you making the claim there are more than 2 sexes?
No, not at all. Two sexes, with a continuum of variation in anatomy/physiology.
That last quote reads as “Red and blue. Don’t need a word for purple.”
But we do need a word for purple.
This is an English and categorization problem.
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So those who cannot reproduce and aren’t in either category are still human. And therefore in a third category.
Red, blue, none. Three categories.
Also, intersex can sometimes reproduce.
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People’s bodies are still organized around the production of either sperm or ova, even if they’re unable to reproduce due to a developmental issue. You can call that a third category if it’s useful to you, but that doesn’t form a third sex as understood by biologists.
Intersex is a confusing term, and doesn’t dispute the binary. People are still male or female, with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorders_of_sex_development
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Every gender is binary because the universe we live in is a simulation run on the higher sphere’s equivalent of a pentium iii.
How about chickens? If you have some hens without a rooster, you’ve got good chance that one of them will “transform” into a rooster. Especially if you had a rooster but it died.
I’m not aware of that being an actual change in sex. The hen can develop male characteristics, but won’t produce functional sperm.
Neither does trans surgery?
I think we agree. Maybe I was misreading the above comment, but I was just clarifying that “transform” in that sense for chickens is not actually changing sex, and so is a different situation than clownfish.
Conservatives saying shit like “nature intended monogamous relationships between men and women, and it is against nature to change your gender” while fucking nature is queer AS fuck. Clown fish will always end up turning into females in the course of their lives (if they dont get eaten before), male seahorses get pregnant and shimpanzes solve all of their problems with sex.
Saying nature intended anything is naive
Chimpanzees have gang wars and eat each other. Doesn’t make it right.
Okay looks like this one is the female because it has the babies! Oh wait I has a penis so this is the male. The other one is the female because it has the vagina. Oh but it can’t have babies. Then this one is the male! And that one is the female because it has the babies. Oh but it has a penis… Repeat.
Reproductive Cycle of a Seahorse…
No, seahorses don’t have penises in the typical sense; female seahorses possess an ovipositor, a tube-like structure, which they use to deposit their eggs into the male’s specialized brood pouch, where the male then fertilizes them and carries the young until birth, essentially becoming the pregnant parent.
Okay so this one is the male because it has a long stick! And that one is the female because it has a pouch…wait but the stick is full of eggs and the pouch is full of cum. Hmmm hold on the one with the stick gives the stick to the one that has a hole? Preposterous! Let’s all pray.
Frogs and ducks enter the chat
Clown Fish have entered the chat
A whole new vibe to, “plenty of fish in the sea.”
what
I was just looking up if ducks can turn trans and this popped up
What the duck?!
Who keeps their ducks in their prostate?
just in case
Mine are stuck, can you help me 👉 👈
Yes
You’re a good pal
Yeah I think it’s ironic that out of all the animals that can change their sex, OP chose one that doesn’t lol.
Also animals being able to change sex does not make them trans. Being transgender has to do with gender identity and its relation to biological sex.
Snails as well
I feel like this misrepresents what trans means, but I’m not educated enough to get into it.
It’s perfectly cis for a male seahorse to give birth. That said, a quick search told me they also change sexes over the course of their life so…
But I was under the impression that part of transitioning was the conscious decision to make a change in line with self perception. I can’t help but think non human animals wouldn’t experience that.
Ah, yeah we can’t really know. Sequential hermaphrodism in chordates however is sometimes used to argue that biological sex isn’t as stable of a construct as some prefer to act like it is, in a similar way to how intersex people are used to express how it isn’t as binary of a concept as culture would have you believe.
I’m not sure you can really apply the biology of sea horses to humans, though.
Like, just because some reptiles can regenerate tails doesn’t mean humans regenerating limbs is natural.
Fair, but you also have to keep in mind that this isn’t any of the rigorous argumentation. This is symbols and discussions with grandma level argumentation.
I have had some success with it. Doubt the guy changed his views, but he stopped using that argument.
Better example is
parrotfishclownfish.also sorry if the seahorse is hard to see
I am emotionally damaged and triggered from seeing this seahorse. It was a very hard thing for me to see.
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In case you wanted the explanation from a 1993 Nirvana T-shirt: “Ever the trendsetter, the sea horse is the sole animal known to man which the male of the species endures the privilege of childbirth. Following a length courtship, a male and female have intercourse during which the female enters the male and lays as many as 200 eggs which are fertilized within the body of the male. After a 5-week gestation period, the male gives birth.”
Cobain rocked lol
Catholics: Eating your young isn’t normal or part of nature.
Nature: Looks like meat is back on the menu, boys!
