Usage of the flexible payment method hit an all-time high on Cyber Monday, driving $1.03 billion in online spend (up 4.2% YoY), as consumers looked for greater flexibility in managing their holiday budgets. The vast majority of BNPL transactions are happening on a mobile device as well, at 79.4% share on Cyber Monday (vs. desktop). In an Adobe survey of over 1,000 U.S. consumers (conducted Nov. 2025), respondents said they were most likely to use BNPL for electronics, apparel, toys, and furniture purchases.
Source: Adobe Analytics.
Our current fist currency is all fake. Based on farts and promises.
The users of buy now pay later probably discovered that loophole in our society, that they are just using someone else’s fake money to buy stuff.
They are onto something enlightened
It really should be called “buy now, pay more later”. When are these greedy fucks going to learn that it’s not good when consumers don’t have money to spend? If all their money goes towards interest payments then we see a collapse in demand.
2008 recession will look like child’s play compared to our next global recession.
Just another once in a lifetime event.
Not sure if we are in a sim or not, but i’m tired of getting fucked.
Raw dollar value means nothing if it’s not tariff and inflation adjusted. Report total pieces as well.
It’s about one billion pieces of dollars. I’m let someone else handle the rest.
So much for that black Friday boycott.
Did nobody think that the “consumer” is capitalism way of speaking about humans?
I’m not a consumer, I’m a free man!
Funnily enough, there is a case as to why the word consumer so often pops up, especially in capitalist context. The first documented case of consumer was in the Middle Ages, in a French dictionary. It derives its meaning from Consumare, Latin for “use” but in a destructive manner. For example, you’d consume a candle or an apple because you’ll use them and then they’re gone, they’re broken/destroyed. Being a consumer back then was a bad thing because people were so ridiculously poor and naturally could not waste. Now contrast that with the same French dictionary which defines customer as a person who routinely buys from the same merchant.
There’s a reason why this is being used so prevalently today. Customer implies agency, a process of thinking and making a choice, while a consumer just consumes. Let me give an example. “We need to check how the consumers will receive it.” it implies zero agency on the “consumers” part. Like feeding a toddler. But if I just say “We need to check how the customers will receive it”, it again implies agency that we have to do well to satisfy the needs of the customer and not just try feeding a toddler by using dirty tricks.
So you’re saying the point of using “consumer” over “customer” is to dehumanize people so businesses don’t feel bad bilking them. Sounds right
Less spending on credit cards to at least partially balance that or just full tilt debt spirals?
There is no debtor’s prison in the usa. Charge everything you can, especially if you are poor. Let the chips fall where they may. With any luck the government will bail out the citizens like they do for the airlines, car companies and banks. /s
No debtors prison but there is a credit score. And that shit is the gateway to paying less for everything when you’re borrowing money. Especially for a mortgage on a house so you actually have equity in the property you’re living in.
Wrecking your credit score basically gate keeps you from a lot of stuff sadly.
I mean, I know you said /s but just saying fucking up your credit can screw you hard in the hyper capitalist hellscape we live in.
Technically if you took out a bunch of bad loans the government would be bailing out the banks. Like 2008. Let’s ride!
as consumers looked for greater flexibility in managing their holiday budgets
Yea, that’s a really nice way to put it.
I mean, even if it was 1 in 10 people that would still be like 30 bucks each. Most of those buy now pay later plans are interest free anyway.
They have late fees and can have incredibly high interest if you pay late.
1 in 10 for $30 includes every single man, woman, and child in the United States. In reality there is a much smaller group spending much more money and developing a revolving door of debt where they are chronically in debt for non essential purchases and as soon as one of those payments goes late they will be slapped with a bunch of late fees and interest that will make them miss other payments and get even more late fees and interest until they end up underwater
Klarna got 2.8B in revenue last year and they did it with those “interest free” loans
IIRC, most of the money they make is fees on the stores.
It used to be but it looks like interest is becoming a big deal. Guess people are missing payments.
174m in q3 2024 269m in q3 2025
And they still lost almost 100 million that quarter
I wonder what would happen if everyone suddenly stopped being in debt. Really wish people would just stop feeding the beast.
I need a house though, most people don’t have 250k sat around. Of course in a major city multiply that by several times.
One doesn’t always need to buy a home, but I don’t know your circumstances. Houses should be as affordable as cars, but I can’t even afford to pay on a 250K loan.
A car weighs 2000-4000lbs and can be produced in a mostly automated factory
A reasonable sized house still weighs 50-100k lbs that’s a lot more material and you have the land it is built on. It then takes multiple people days to build.
Houses being as affordable as cars is a pipe dream
Yeah, it is a pipe dream. I’m just sick of the unaffordability.
I would build a cabin in the woods if it was legal to live like that. In the UK, it pretty much isn’t. You can have the cabin, but you can’t live in it.
Not from the UK but why can’t you live in a cabin?
If you buy some woodland it won’t have planning permission for a permanent welling on it. Applying will almost certainly get rejected. You will only have permission to temporarily visit your land rather than live on it.
If it does have permission it will cost pretty much as much as a house. If there was a cheap way to have housing, even if it was just living in a tent, more people would be doing it. I suspect hatred of gypsies plays a part in it too.
So woodland that can’t have a permanent dwelling is affordable but woodland that can is cheap?
Like that would make sense if the construction of the building was different but if it’s simply just how often you can spend time on your own land that’s ridiculous
I need shelter. It is illegal for me to live in a cabin in the woods and any way to do it legally is almost certain to be rejected - I looked, extensively.
So this just leaves renting or buying a house as the only legal options I have left. Maybe a boat, but locations for that are more limited and things can be expensive. Of the two choices, buying is way cheaper long term than renting and even pretty quickly short term depending on the markets.
Remember, rent goes up every year. Your mortgage value remains as it was when you got it. A 250k loan isn’t going to be so much after a sum inflation rate of 50-100% several years down the road. Or about a week if Reform get in.
Hey, you made the choice that was best for you. There are pros and cons for each, and right now my only option is to rent. I am extremely fortunate to have a very below market rate and will take advantage of this time to save all I can.
Remember kids: someone is making money off of this, and it’s not you. There’s a reason some European countries have (started to) put this BNPL under strict credit regulation.
I’m glad at least some countries are taking notice.
The Dutch national Financial Authority, for example, has a good explanation on why this is problematic and what exactly will happen per November 2026: https://www.afm.nl/en/sector/actueel/2025/juli/pb-marktupdate-BNPL-2025
A legally required age verification will be introduced. We want this to take effect as soon as possible to prevent minors from using BNPL.
Wait, it’s legal to put minors into debt in the Netherlands? In Sweden, a minor wouldn’t be liable to pay any such invoice, as minors can’t sign any legally-binding agreements without their guardian’s consent.
No it’s not legal. Currently BNPL just doesn’t fall under the same strict rules as normal debt. So the KYC rules are pretty lax. Minors can easily circumvent the checks.
The banks and shareholders are delighted.
What’s the difference between this and credit card debt?
The time scale is the other big difference. A credit card is intended to be paid off at the end of the month and gives you much better fraud protection than a debit card
Products like klarna instead have you pay off a tv over months and offer you no real benefit besides racking up debt
Buying on a credit card doesn’t incur interest fees until a month after the purchase so you can pay it off right away.
This is guaranteed to incur fees right out of the gate and cannot be paid back faster than they want.
Man, say what you will about credit cards, but at the very least with many of those you get rewards of some sort. BNPL is just the consumer version of the payday loan; you get nothing but the scam.
The rewards are there to keep you make them money.
Some one has to pay for the rewards and the multi billion dollar companies usually don’t give money away for free without some plan. In the end, the consumer pays for the rewards because they add it on the product price.
Yeah, the card issuers are already making bank from the interchange/issuer/processing fees, as well as interest if the customer eventually isn’t able to pay their full balance in time.
But if you’re a perfect person and always pay your full balance every month, there’s literally no negatives with a credit card as a normal consumer. It’s usually even a better alternative, as if something goes wrong, a credit chargeback is much quicker and easier than a debit chargeback.
I’m that perfect person.
Idk, I do them when there is no interest involved. Like my credit card I only do it when I have the money though.
For what reason? Am I missing out on something?
Seems like it’s better to just pay now if you have the cash.
Assuming you need to buy the product, taking on zero interest debt gives you greater liquidity that you can theoretically activate elsewhere to improve your cash flow. For the amounts and time scales of BNPL, though, I don’t entirely see the point.
I don’t do this for many things but i do use it sometimes
I’ve used care credit because a single emergency vet bill can be pricey and while I could empty my savings that’s not the best idea. So I just pay it off within the promotional period. Worse case scenario I am in a position to secure a traditional personal loan to completely pay off that balance at a more favorable interest rate.
I used a 0% intro rate travel card for a European vacation once and it was great paying that off over a year.
That being said I wouldn’t finance groceries or Christmas shopping. That’s going a bit far
For the
amounts and time scaleshard inquiries of BNPL, though, I don’t entirely see the point.FTFY
Most BNPL services don’t make classically hard inquiries, though - as I understand it that’s actually a big part of the problem, because they are able to skirt a great deal of the credit regulations put in place to prevent predatory lending (yeah those exist - fucking terrifying, isn’t it?) by not engaging directly with the credit agencies, instead relying on 3rd party consumer information data brokers of dubious reliability.
I got a car loan once even though I had the cash to buy outright. I didn’t want to drain my savings and end up high and dry if there was an emergency. It was worth it to me to pay a little interest so I still had a cash buffer.
If I were living paycheck to paycheck like many folks are, I imagine the logic would be similar for smaller purchases.
if you have the cash
And there’s your answer.
What happened to look through the fingers
How is that an answer? They said they only do it if they have the money, so why?
Eh, mostly just because less money coming out of my account at once feels better and there isn’t a downside really. It’s mostly like Amazon’s pay in 4 etc, especially if I think there is a chance I might return it. I would not ever not pay it off and incur fees. Its nothing special, I don’t touch afirm though generally just Amazon and paypals short duration things.
Are many of them no interest?
I’m not a BNPL user, but my understanding is that most are interest free (to attract more users) unless a borrower is late/misses a payment.
I assumed that was the trap, or retroactive interest. Just seems to prey on those already at financial disadvantage.
The BNPL company also charges the merchant much more than a credit card company does. Something like 6%. So they’re also making money on people who do pay in full at 0%.
The theory goes that the merchant is happy to pay the higher rate because it makes a sale happen that otherwise wouldn’t. Unfortunately that increased cost just gets added to the price everyone pays.
PayPal Pay In 4, Paypal 12 months (sometimes), Amazon Affirm, all no interest. Unless you miss the payment. Then bend over for it. Interests rates vary from 8 percent to 32 percent retroactive, depending on who you get it through. I’ve used BNPL several times, but always made sure I can afford the payment in the monthly budget, and only when it is zero interest.
In addition, I have the rule of “only one active BNPL at a time”.
