Police now want to drop charges against a man they arrested last year for wearing a F*** Israel F*** Zionism t-shirt. But the man, Andrew Brown, wants his day in court. Michael West reports on a big test for free speech.

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    5 days ago

    “Zionist” is a term used by anti-semites in an attempt to make anti-semitsm acceptable in polite circles.

    Just as anti-semitism was created by the anti-judaic crowd in the late 19th century to make hating Jews cool back then too.

    Antisemites have been playing this game of swapping terminology for a long time. Maybe this guy was fooled by it, and maybe you dear reader, have been fooled by it as well. But don’t expect the rest of society to be fooled by the same anti-semitic bullshit that has been going on for centuries as you have. Trying to force the rest of society to go along with your anti-semitc terminology is not going to go well.

    Just because it’s cool in your circles to hate on Jews, and you may think you’re fooling people with your “clever” change in terminology (even if you were fooled by it yourself) it’s just not a good look for you.

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      Zionist is an explicit term with an explicit meaning, not a euphemism or dogwhistle.

      Zionism is an organised ethnocultural nationalist movement for the creation of a Jewish state through the complete colonization of the Palestinian state. The term “Zionist” was explicitly created by Jews - not anyone anti-Judeic or anti-Semitic. See for example the First Zionist Congress created by Theodor Herzl.

      Zionism is a political movement, not a religious or race.

      Nobody cares much nowadays for hearing the lie that to be anti-Zionist is the same as being anti-Semitic, because it’s a lie told to deflect any criticism of Zionist politicians and the Israeli government.

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      You’re a Zionist, yet you’re not Jewish. So how does that work then?
      I am disgusted by what you stand for, in exactly the same way, and for the exact same reasons that I abhor what Netanyahu stands for. Only one of you is Jewish. The target of my opposition is genocidal settler colonialism, not race, not religion. So how can my anti-Zionism equate to antisemitism?

      Once again SpaceCowboy, you are talking absolute arse gravy of the lowest calibre.

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        I’ve read history books and I see people saying the same kinds of bullshit antisemitic rationalizations being used today as was used in the past.

        If you were willing to learn history you wouldn’t be so prone to repeat the mistakes of the past. Many of us have and we recognize the pattern you’re following.

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          That’s a load of vague finger pointing you’re doing there.
          Nothing of any substance at all.

          • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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            You’re not the first to find alternate way of labeling Jews to make antisemitism palatable. Read a history book FFS, you’re following a pattern.

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              I’m labelling YOU, and you’re not Jewish. I don’t apply the label “Zionist” to Jews who aren’t in support of Israel’s genocidal policies.
              So, again, I am not labelling Jews.

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      It’s a term created by Jews to self-identify as being anti-Palestinean. Are you a liar or just stupid? I think we know.

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        You could take 10 seconds to google “origin of the word antisemitism” if you don’t want to look silly.

        But methinks you’re afraid to learn anything about the history of antisemitism since you might find out you’re following the exact pattern of racists in the past.

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            You should look up the word “rootless cosmopolitan” and “globalist”. Your little hate group isn’t the first to come up with an alternate term for Jews in an attempt to popularize antisemitism. Nothing you’re doing is new or clever. It’s the same old shit that has happened throughout history again and again. You think hairsplitting over the terminology you’re using is going to make people not see your pattern of behaviour?

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          You can talk about the origin. But we all know exactly what it means now: people who want to expand Israel land area to encompass more (or all) of Palestine.

          This isn’t some ambiguous political term. It is quite simple. If you think it is offensive, stop advocating for that future.

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            ProPals are the ones who redefined it. Just because you are essentially in an echo chamber here doesn’t make you correct.

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            You’re pre-supposing what other people think to rationalize your hatred. This is the tactic of a hate group.

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      The very first time i herd the term zionist used was by a pro zionist jewish man. So clearly your asssertion isnt 100% accurate.

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        Yeah this is my experience as well. Also were im from people can have all sorts of things on shirts and maybe a restaurant may not let you dine if they find it offensive but the police can’t just arrest you for your shirt.

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      Yes, 7000$ checks has finally and openly hit Lemmy, and fake history lessons, mixed with hollow sounding words, to make an absolute zio scum sounds anything else than he/she is really is, a zio scum

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        Looking at his comment history, he manage to be hated even in technical posts, plus everything else.

        Apparently some people are really just naturally like that, no financial incentive required. I can’t understand why.

        Or he’s really just a troll and doesn’t even believe what he says. He just enjoy the many posts that follow his comments.

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          You actually make a great point, I think he just likes to post shit comments and thrives on being down voted and humiliated at the same time, it doesn’t seem like he actually holds any actual opinions, not even once he tried to engage or at least defend his point of view

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        Murder some more kids. Nothing your sde ever does or says is wrong, you’re always the victim you’re right.

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          i haven’t murdered any kids? are you confused or having fantasies about who i am because you live in a left wing echo chamber online?