- cross-posted to:
- lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world
A tweet states that National Guard or Active Duty military ordered to violate constitutional rights can call the GI Rights Hotline for support, with the number 1-877-447-4487 provided.
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Remember that institutions are not a requirement for conscience.
You’re not that special-if you’re feeling it, a lot if other people probably are too
You’re going to choose whether you live in a world where men with guns shoot civilians, or shoot (higher) officers who order them to shoot civilians. Sorry you gotta make that choice.
What lead you here? Who are you? Who do you want to be? How can you best be loyal to that?
When this is all over, you’re going to have to live with what you’ve done. Or not. Im telling you; the best therapists are or know people in those crowds.
Whose side are you on?
No. They should not shoot the officer that gives the order, that is a prison sentence no matter what.
The whole “disobey unethical orders” thing is for officers on the field receiving orders from command that they perceive as a warcrime (or against the constitution). They simply say “no, we aren’t doing that”.
If someone shoots an officer ordering war crimes that is justice, and probably why they don’t allow military members to be tired by public courts. They would almost certainly be acquitted.
Honestly I like how the constitution says everyone without exception is allowed a jury trial, but we just pretend that it’s okay for the military to not follow that. Like sure now they are volunteers, but conscription has a long history. It’s kinda fucked up when you think about it, and definently unconstitutional
No. You are 100% WRONG. Shooting an officer ordering a war crime is not justice … it is actually criminal behavior. It is not how it is done.
Source: The UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice)
Because the UCMJ has done such a great job of preventing war crimes and punishing war criminals…
Just because something is illegal doesn’t make it unjust and vice versa.
After all according to the German military the holocaust was legal. If soldiers then murdered their officers they would have been seen by the world as heros.
Legality should not be the basis of your morality
Dudes are saying that soldiers should shoot their officers if they give a “bad” order … that’s not how things work. Anyone that thinks it is has watched way too many movies.
Nobody said that, I certainly didn’t.
What I said was if your CO orders you to kill civilians it is absolutely moral to ignore that order and if necessary go beyond the law to prevent it even if that includes killing your CO.
There is a huge difference between a “bad” order and being complicit in war crimes and killing unarmed civilians in your own country.
Incorrect. At least read the conversation you are trying to enter. There are several references stating this should be done. One post even describes where the term “fragging” comes from. The post I responded to stated a soldier could either live with the guilt of what he does or turn on the officer that gave the order.
You are also wrong that you can disobey an order to shoot civilians. It is not always morally acceptable. That will get someone a court martial. A soldier on guard duty on a military base sees several guys jumping a fence and entering an ammo depot. “Halt! Are you guys military? Because I’m not allowed to shoot civilians breaking onto a secured facility” … said no soldier ever in the history of soldiering.
Legality is a copium for libs
The military is told when they enlist that they are signing away their rights as a citizen until the term of enlistment, or their commission, is fulfilled. Personally I appreciated being bound by a much smaller, but somewhat more restrictive, set of rules that they gave each of us a copy of to read and learn. Turns out it’s much easier to just do what you want to do, if you know how to do it within the rules.
They will feel nothing over shooting civilians cuz “tHeY dId nOt GaVe tHaT oRdeR” being a bag of meat is a special skill ngl
edit: changed a word, to not mislead people into thinking I do not respect sexworkers.
Please dont compare soldiers who would shoot civilians to sex workers. I’ve only ever met one sex worker who would do that, and even he wouldn’t have abdicated agency.
Edit: he would also need to be paid in advance. Paid a lot more than any national guard soldier.
Well I had a feeling like people could think I do not like sexworkers cuz I used “whore” word.
But maybe I should use something different yeah, I mean I have more respect for sexworkers than soldiers.
Generally: saying ‘ima get drunk and go a’whorin, wanna come with, maybe fuck after if we both fail at that second part?’ Is fine.
Saying ‘that vile fucking whore sold out the entire cult! I thought we believed in something!’ Is shitty and a slur degrades sex workers
‘Nope, gotta go whore myself out to walmart for a few hours, because i need to pay rent and haven’t found the market for hot-in-the-right-light burn victims. Yet. Wish me a pimp that doesn’t steal my money!’ Would generally be nodded to by sex workers
We need to identify where on the Internet people who this post would speak to are congregating. While I don’t doubt there are some vets on Lemmy I doubt many active national guard are here. We should be smart with these posts
I think it’s more like, if you know someone who is.
Friends and family members might be here though.
The get suicided hotline
What does this random collection of words even mean? This is an English-language forum.
really? okay lets help all the confused people here: shinkan is saying that the hotline is essentially a honeypot for those in power to identify and remove problematic individuals. Whether that is true for this particular organization is outside my my personal purview.
they’re asserting its similtar to saying ‘go to HR with your problems about the company’s behavior’ which is a fools errand.
Thank you for explaining using full sentences. Your explanation is much easier to understand for those who aren’t terminally online.
its more closely aligned with dark humor than being terminally online. ‘The get suicided hotline’ is a complete sentence. its just mocking the tendency for dictators killing people and then claiming suicide. similar to how trump claims they’re only going to arrest and deport criminals and yet we see an indiscriminate attack on all immigrants. including those who are here legally.
the fun aspect of their comment is that suicide is a voluntary act, you cant ‘get’ suicided and that dichotomy is what you’re suppose to pick up and infer from there that this hotline is dangerous. just like windows in russia are dangerous.
I’d suggest all service members from all branches of military to expect to be made to do blatantly fascist things. Do not be a tool of a dictator; do not simply follow orders. Fully prepare to quit in protest, or fully prepare to be a perpetrator.
I can tell you never served. They can refuse to follow illegal orders, and are specifically required to do so. The procedure normally requires you to place the offending officer under arrest, but there are circumstances that would allow for the delivery of a corpse instead. Fragging didn’t start in Doom and Quake.
What they absolutely cannot do, is quit. That’s called going AWOL and that shit carries years in Leavenworth.
Fuck anyone in the US military.
The military has historically been one of the few semi-reliable ways to escape generations of extreme poverty. If you’re raised in the hood and don’t want to fall into a gang, the military is often your only realistic option.
The entire system is designed to funnel poor kids into the military, because that’s the only way to sustain such a massive military industrial complex.
Here we go again with the “I’m poor so I’m going to cowardly murder defenseless brown people so I can get an education”.
Then stay in your own country and do crimes there.
Fuck them. And fuck the whitewashers.
