• Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    Pro Tip: build a time machine, travel back to 2009, buy $100 worth of bitcoins at $0.00076 each, sell in 2013 at $1000 ea (roughly $130 million).

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      9 hours ago

      If you travel back that far, there’s no need to buy them. Just start mining them. It was super easy at the beginning. I kinda wish I hadn’t been so lazy back then and done it myself.

      Besides, I’m not sure there even was $100 worth out there available to buy at that price.

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        5 hours ago

        Good point, but the $100 was just a number I pulled out of my ass. I think mining bitcoin in 2009 was harder than spending a little money now and then when some was available.

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        15 hours ago

        Yes, it’s much better to stop right in the middle of a road…

        (But also yes, I know it’s photoshop.)

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    14 hours ago

    For every person that gets a payday from crypto there’s probably 50,000 that lost money. It’s just gambling.

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    22 hours ago

    "A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It’s where the rich use public transportation.”

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      I’m so lucky that my work gives me a free public transport pass. It’s 25 mins from my door to the office with 10 of that being walking. I still have a car, but I dont need it for most days. Plus it would cost me like $180/month for parking at my work’s building. Hard pass.

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      16 hours ago

      Public transit is generally faster than driving around in big cities, especially places like NYC and Boston (at least when the T is actually operating as-intended).

      Hell I live 45 miles away from my office and most days it is faster to do train–>subway–>half mile walk.

      To these types of people, especially…time is money. You would think they would prefer public transit just for the time efficiency…or at least invest in it just to reduce the amount of traffic they have to deal with on the roads.

      You don’t even see Musk riding around on a goddamn Segway. Which actually turns out to be a somewhat common Mandela effect, because I had to look it up to find out he didn’t actually invent/start Segway.

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    21 hours ago

    Saddens me that crypto is now about investment/gains instead of being improved as a fair, decentralised, convenient, fast, secure money system.

    Looks like we will have to stick to the banks and their bullshit yet after all.

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      18 hours ago

      I loved the idea of crypto. There was even a niche but growing Crypto Leftist movement, creating tech/apps to help the working class (Breadchain), but in 4 years they built basically nothing. Then just fucking everything else got captured by VC money, big tech, and institutions. It’s just capitalism 2.0 now. It’s such a shame.

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        12 hours ago

        IMHO the problem crypto leftists have had is that our implementation choices generally ignore the “decentralized” requirement to avoid difficult economics problems. We try things like having nonprofits checking IDs, or creating yet another money supply so we can pay the devs from it, or recreating treasury bonds because it looks greener.

        What we need isn’t “open source money, but generous”. We need to build a new economy outside the old one, and what we’re selling won’t shoot to the moon overnight. While we can contribute useful tools, we aren’t the architects of that future and can’t be in charge even for now.

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          IMO the goals of leftists within crypto is:

          1. protect the unbanked, underbanked, and even banked from the exploitative financial system: we’re making progress. There’s is demonstrable proof of this. Even just the base protocols (Bitcoin, Ethereum) offer real relief from tradfi. A very simple example is sending aid to Gaza.

          2. remove US hegemonic power by undermining the dominance of the US dollar: we’re making progress, but some things like USDC are actually reinforcing American dominance. The influx of institutions into the crypto space has really undermined this.

          3. move away from capitalism and asset speculation to collective ownership (governance tokens), trade of useful goods (digital or physical), and savings protocols: we’re not making very much progress and are actively moving against this. This is where Breadchain / Bread Coop comes into play. There’s so much potential, and some things have been built … but overall it’s been slow and big disappointment as we watch Capitalists actively co-opt crypto. The amount of scams, VC vaporware, rugpulls, casino games, etc seems to grow by the day. I truly believe there’s genuine use cases out there, but crypto right now is mostly just ultra-capitalist speculative garbage.

          It’s been sad to see crypto leftists like Joshua Davila (author of Blockchain Radicals) move away from crypto and pivot into AI. sigh

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        21 hours ago

        There were more honest attempts to spread it and use it in physical/online stores back when BTC was under 1000 than now, and it’s not like we got higher exchange rate fluctuations. If anything, it becomes more stable.

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          20 hours ago

          Naw, we all talked about the once in a while pizza purchases that were reported on Reddit, but then a week later the $20 pizza was worth $100 in bitcoin. Right from the start.

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            16 hours ago

            On no, someone used money to buy food instead of hoarding money and only thinking about how much return they could’ve made if they invested money instead of buying food.

            Crypto-as-invement midset is a poison to the real crypto adoption - ability to buy things with crypto effortlessly.

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      17 hours ago

      The real value Bitcoins tech brought us is immutable ledgers. We need our money to go through immutable ledgers.

      There would be no “release your tax returns,” itd be public domain.

      We need that shit.

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        Yea, that’s one of the few good things that cryptostuff and the Blockchain.

        That and the fact that you could, theoretically, do implementations that are actually progressive (instead of regressive), and where the ones that actually deserve rewards are the ones who get that (sort of a “Proof of Contribution” or a “Proof of Value”: if you actually add value and contribute to make things better, yoy get rewards, but if you’re only a leecher, then you get punishments, sort of torrent now that I think about it; but if you’re poor, you don’t have to contribute that much or nothing at all, because any difference is acceptable only if it favors the least advantaged, and favoring them is precisely what it means to contribute and add value).

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      I remember the moment it clicked for me that this was the case. In early 2018 I overheard my roommate listening to a Bitcoin podcast hosted by people I understood to be prominent members of the community. They were trying to justify why it was a good thing Steam no longer accepted Bitcoin to purchase games. I couldn’t see a single upside to a currency, whose purpose is to be exchanged for goods and services, no longer being accepted for a good. I thought about the large amount of crypto the podcasters likely held and how they were probably trying to keep other people in to keep their own crypto worth more. But if the people near the helm were no longer able to admit when something is wrong, then the dream was dead, crypto was dead to me, and I stopped getting more.

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      20 hours ago

      Yeah I too like Blockchain stuff until it just turned into an investor bro space.

      Like this whole argument about how to prove someone owns a game could be a really good blockchain use case.

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      That is why I was sp excited about XRP replacing SWIFT, it just made sense as a better method of Payments. I was heavy into XRP, and I got off the ride last year after 7 years of treading water

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      It is used as a decentralized convenient secure money system. States use it for bribing, sanctions, online crimes, laundering. There are so many use cases. It’s not what people think it is. You will never ever buy your bread with it but at the same time it is not going away as it is so useful as a shadow currency that there will be always billion transactions

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      fair, decentralised, convenient, fast, secure money system

      Can’t believe the scam money for scammers isn’t about the core principles of equity, efficiency, and security anymore.

      What has become of the Mt. Gox’s of yesteryear?

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        Stability comes from popularity. Its already way more stable than before - $100 BTC fell into sub $20. We don’t have x5 swings now.

        Bitcoin would be way more popular if it actually delivered the decent tech that everyone is using to do purchases.

        BTC ran into speed & scaling issue, and eventually made Lighting Network. So now we have 2 different currencies, one stable and decentralized and one fast and centralised. This is not what was promised originally.

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      But it needs regulation like any other currency.

      It was a gov backed choice to pump and dump it, cause apparently thats peak economic strategy these days.

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    20 hours ago

    Crypto grift still grifting? Still waiting for the blockchain to change the world. Any minute now… the only people I’ve seen use a terminal to buy bitcoin have been senior citizens.

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        For the people who jumped on it in 2018, sure, as long as they didn’t hold it in any of the failed exchanges, didn’t buy anything but BTC or ETH unless they were the rug pullers instead of the honest folks, and as long as you don’t think too much about how that curve is supported by sanction evasion.

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          I had a mate go all in. He bought a bunch of crypto (plus set up mining machines) in 2018, just before the bottom fell out. Instead of hodling he sold and lost tens of thousands.

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            Curious how something so heavily marketed by cryptobros as a modern currency alternative to big banking is almost always only being talked about as an object of investment. As if it is really nothing but yet another speculative scheme for people who are the rich to get richer.

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              Curious how something so heavily marketed…as modern currency…is almost always only being talked about as an object of investment.

              Nothing strange about basic marketing.

              yet another speculative scheme for people who are the rich to get richer.

              Like the bosses at your job? Yeah, it’s kind of like that.

              You don’t have to understand the chemical properties of gold to buy and sell it.

              You don’t like investments, fine. That works out well for those who do. Most complain while standing still, some act.

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                It’s not a decentralised currency though is it.

                And stable coins are just another way for the US to issue debt

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                  Bitcoin? Yes, it is fundamentally decentralized.

                  If you don’t know something ask questions and learn. You’re wasting so much time arguing against your own assumptions.

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              No, a higher return results from basic math. If i invest $1 24 months in a reinvesting account before you do, I’ll have 24 more months of compound interest on that dollar than you will. I started earning returns first.

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        A lot of people try to swing trade, they actually panic swing trade and end up FOMO top buying and Stop Loss bottom selling

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          … right. They did not make money on Bitcoin or get scammed by a different cryptocurrency…

          We can check with them if they got scammed by a Nigerian prince while we’re at it. If you think you’re making some sort of point.

          Maybe we should check if they got scammed because their computer had a bunch of viruses.

          Or if they were selling something online and the buyer sent them a confirmation code.

          There are lots of things they didn’t do.

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    Not on crypto but on both stock and commodity trading. My risk averse friend asked me how much I lost. I didn’t tell him it’s quite big but something I could tolerate 😅

    My normal investments are fine for the long term, but yeah, I’ve got losses on my trading. I refined my strategy and studied Peter Lynch’s growth investment philosophy. Sure enough, it worked by picking only stocks with the biggest market shares, does not receive any attention, competent leadership and excellent financial fundamentals that point to high growth.

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      I’m used to taking buses in Brazil and that looks pretty standard to me

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        I guess I’m not used to seeing such busses, usually the ones I been into are as low to the ground and the chairs are placed around parts like wheels and what not like this 100369

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          I expected you to post an image of a bus with actual seats that doesnt make you sore if you ride for more than one station, but no, you just posted another prison bus but slightly lower lol