• rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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    23 hours ago

    Not being protective of telling children anything such, but I have used ethnic slurs in the past, especially when answering other insults. And when you were being unjustly attacked, then slipped and said something bad, and then are being attacked for that too as if that justified the beginning, then it’s a natural reaction to double down on the unfortunate words too.

    So, eh, depends on the situation. I think I have right to answer people attacking me and putting me into a fight-or-flight situation with any words, they’ll still be in the wrong. But if this is not what happened, then using someone’s race as an argument worthy of repetition should be punished.

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      If you call someone a racial slur, you’re attacking an entire race of people, not an individual. Why then would you be surprised that a ton of people get angry at you instead of just the individual you had an issue with? This is some kindergarten-level social competency my dude.

      Everyone fucks up, but when you do, you’re supposed to apologize. If you’re so emotionally stunted that you can only “double down”, then you’re just digging your own grave. Society doesn’t need to accommodate immaturity/anger management issues like that, but it definitely should shun racism.

      Do better.

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      21 hours ago

      I don’t understand what the goal behind making this comment could have been. You start off admitting to using ethnic slurs with an almost “whoopsy daisie” tone. The comment you replied to told you the situation but you still add a hypothetical situation about when you think it would be reasonable to use them. And the appeal to “natural reaction” to defend something that should’nt have happened in the first place. “When people question why I shot a guy, my natural reaction is to shoot them too” doesn’t excuse why you did the thing that got you questioned. There is no situation where you are on the right side when using a slur.

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        They have a simplistic tit-for-tat moral code and ignore the relative degree of contempt telegraphed by different ethnic slurs. Trouble seems to find this sort of person wherever they are. They tend to not be very bright. They will not accept your advice. Best to move on.

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          12 hours ago

          They have a simplistic tit-for-tat moral code

          The alternatives are limited to “my group is always right” and “I pick one aspect and ignore all others, and the one aspect is always arbitrarily chosen, and when the comparison kinda equals, the result is arbitrarily chosen”. If you have any to add, you are welcome.

          And the word “simplistic” is usually used by people unable to defend their position with actual points. It’s kinda useless otherwise.

          and ignore the relative degree of contempt telegraphed by different ethnic slurs.

          Since it is not given here what the particular slur would be compared against for any “relative degree”, your comment clearly presents you as someone who

          tends to not be very bright

          , and the advice I won’t accept wasn’t answering my comment. I said that a continuation of an argument doesn’t say much about the beginning.

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        12 hours ago

        Ethnic slurs are a subset of insults here. Not much different from addressing someone’s body features, impairments, life story specifics.

        There is no situation where you are on the right side when using a slur.

        Of course there is, every time it’s a minor part of the event. Like 3000 is greater than 2001, despite 1 being greater than 0. Seems simple enough.

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          Ethnic slurs are different because of their historical (and still contemporary) usage in dehumanizing and oppressing groups of people. And, again, why are you listing other ways to insult people, as if they are fine when they’re not?

          Life is a rarely a zero-sum exchange, and quite often both sides aren’t perfect people. Just because someone slapped you after you called them a slur doesn’t mean you’re now in the right because they escalated to physical violence.

          Like I fundamentally am having trouble relating to you on this. I can’t tell if your mental is that fucked, if you are terrible at explaining something I’m missing, or if you’re trying to troll. I’ve come across differences in opinions, based on severity and direction. It feels like we’re not using the same system.

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            And, again, why are you listing other ways to insult people, as if they are fine when they’re not?

            God, are you dense.

            Life is a rarely a zero-sum exchange, and quite often both sides aren’t perfect people. Just because someone slapped you after you called them a slur doesn’t mean you’re now in the right because they escalated to physical violence.

            You even write that yourself. When someone is violating your private space or just attacking you on the street because they don’t like you for whatever reason (autistic people get a lot of that) and they are a humiliated good-for-nothing creature with no other ways to reinforce their self-confidence, you might say a lot of things including slurs to get rid of them, and be right.

            Like I fundamentally am having trouble relating to you on this. I can’t tell if your mental is that fucked, if you are terrible at explaining something I’m missing, or if you’re trying to troll. I’ve come across differences in opinions, based on severity and direction. It feels like we’re not using the same system.

            No, you are trying to play intelligent refusing to admit you get a very simple mechanism.

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              Aight, we’re done. Your social logic works in a way I am uninterested in interfacing with and your capacity to misinterpret simple scenarios has made the outlook of you developing nuance, unfavorable.

              Have fun calling angry people slurs.

              Edit: I just had to add that the whole thought process is so fundamentally flawed. Why would you double-down on using inflammatory language like slurs that you’ve noted made them act more aggressively to you, if your goal is purported to get them to leave? They name-drop autism but I ain’t never seen someone so divorced from understanding the cause and effects of social levers before.

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              Have you considered that the other person here is of perfectly normal intelligence, and you’re just very bad at explaining your position on an extremely sensitive subject? Seriously, I hope you’re just badly fumbling this because oh boy are you presenting yourself like an asshole right now. I’m skeptical that’s it, since you’re clearly lashing out by insulting their intelligence (which frequently correlates) but I also understand how frustrating it can be to try and explain things and be repeatedly told it’s problematic. Maybe take a breath and try this one again. Or just tell me to fuck off, settling the matter and letting us downvote you with a clear conscience

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                and you’re just very bad at explaining your position on an extremely sensitive subject?

                An extremely sensitive subject is normally discussed the same way as an absolutely mundane subject, just very sensitive.

                Like a big system is like a small system, just big. And vice versa.

                Order of statements in a conversation or actions in a conflict matters, and a statement or an action can have different weight.

                Quite obviously if you are generally right, but have used some nasty insults, you are still generally right. Even if the other side is perfectly polite.