thats actually called fascism but we pretend we have capitalism if we had capitalism 2008 would have all of the banks and mortgage land lords property owners all go bankrupt but here we are still subidizing the epstein class with tax payer dollars to promote the epstein class saying its ok and not arresting them all. in fact both biden and trump pardoned the epstein class constantly depending on bribes woops i mean donations of course. China communism would be better than this.
by the way door dash uber lyft all platforms in general seem to be inflating costs by at least 20% and now up to 30-40% of the total cost of the fare goes to them rather than creater developer eg rent extraction. when its suppose to lower cost and increase efficiency. when these platforms charge a huge percentage of the product it is no longer beneficial to have said service or platform around. instead it is a net NEGATIVE VALUE TO THE WORLD and all these companies should in fact go bankrupt
Doorddash will take full responsibility when they return the money and stop doing it.
Claiming whoopsidaisy on social media only flaunt the position of power and the contrived desperation that keeps drivers in their place.
I’d suggest unionize but union-busting practices are very effective and the courts are against you.
Old but still relevant and true. “But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education SUCKS, and it’s the same reason it will never, ever, EVER be fixed. It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you’ve got. Because the owners, the owners of this country don’t want that. I’m talking about the real owners now, the BIG owners! The Wealthy… the REAL owners! The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that! You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place! It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club. By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care! Good honest hard-working people; white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what colour shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cock suckers who don’t give a fuck about you….they don’t give a fuck about you… they don’t give a FUCK about you. They don’t care about you at all… at all… AT ALL. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. It’s called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it. George Carlin
The more things change eh?
Hard truth 👍 Good news is we can solve the media problem by using fediverse and disconnecting ourselves from corpo media.
We are happy in our bubble
I wouldn’t say capitalism itself is about that. However, it absolutely encourages behavior that ends up like that. It’s not like these systems always existed or always functioned the way they do now. They were created and corrupted over several decades.
I whole heartedly disagree. This is exactly what capitalism was designed to do. This is a prime example of late stage capitalism.
If this wasn’t how it was supposed to be then why have economists been predicting these inevitabilities FOR DECADES!
Capitalism has always relied on certain people having capital, and using the rest of society to produce said capital, or even better use the rest of society as their capital.
Don’t fool yourself into believing this isn’t exactly what capitalism has always been bud.
Impossible, always contrarians
I disagree.
Look at farmers saying how much we need them because they make food. Yet they own all the fucking land and we are not allowed to grow food there! Most of the ones complaining are in the top few % and exploit cheap labour - those cheap workers are actually the ones making all the food.
Our landed gentry must maintain their landedness else yee may starve!
They say this after they lost a court battle. They didn’t say shit while the issue was ongoing. They even spent $1.4 mill to avoid it by trying to keep mamdani from getting elected. Now they want to go “oh dear me! I’m so sorry!”
Much like liberals oppose every war but the current one, they support every rebellion against injustice . . .except the current one.
There were millions in penalties. Saying nothing happens is ridiculous, strong regulations and penalties remove these issues. As seen here.
Paying workers on time presents an opportunity cost. The penalties have to outweigh whatever they might make by investing the ill-retained funds. (I have no idea whether that’s the case with DoorDash here, but I’d hazard a guess that some executives still think it was worth it.)
Yeah agreed
The company has billions
Yes yes I know. The point is to discourage this from happening again. No penalty means no risk to trying, hefty penalty means discouraged from happening. They didnt make billions from this action so they lost money on their risk.
CEOs should be personally liable for grave mistakes made by their company. Then a lot of this nonsense would end.
CEOs shouldn’t exist. Workplaces should be owned and managed by the workers.
Finally real democracy!
For sure. Can’t have democracy without democracy in the workplace.
Cool in concept, not feasible in real life.
lol what? Even setting aside worker-owned socialist societies, worker-owned businesses exist and prosper in the United States today. It is obviously feasible.
Which would suggest workers owning the means of production is compatible with market capitalism. Just heavily incentive coops and other collective ownership schemes.
What makes a workplace owned and managed by the workers incompatible with the role of a chief executive officer?
CEOs exist to siphon surplus value to shareholders instead of letting the people who produce it retain it. It’s more that the CEO role is unnecessary in worker owned businesses than incompatible.
CEOs exist to execute the decisions of the board. In a capitalist system the decisions can often be boiled down to “siphon surplus value to shareholders instead of letting the people who produce it to retain it.”
In a socialist system where the workers have a controlling majority of the board, you still need someone to execute the decisions of the board. Or are you suggesting that a worker owned company doesn’t need any top leader beyond the board?
Why should it? If the workers themselves are on the board, then they know what the board decides. No need for a middleman CEO.
Are you imagining that every single worker are on the board at every single company? Even the ones with hundreds or thousands of workers? It’s all direct democracy, and no representative democracy?
I mean, we have the technology to make direct democracy work, but even with representative democracy, there’s no need for a single leader. There are many examples of functioning anarchic organizations. I’m not really imagining one ideal way to organize enterprises, there are many ways to do it. Hell, you could even do it with a single elected leader, but it wouldn’t be functionally the same as a CEO. In a socialist workplace, the leader wouldn’t have absolute authority nor be payed an outrageously unequal wage. The workers would elect them and be able to recall them.
Don’t stop there, the CEOs just absorb blame for the owners.
That’s where I will disagree a bit. “Owners” usually have a CEO or something similar to run the company in their stead. Imagine you employ someone, he fucks up big time and you go to prison, despite having done nothing wrong. That’s horrendous. That’s like hiring a tax accountant, he fucks up and you go to prison for it … oh wait, that’s how it works in many countries, but anyways, that’s fucking shit and shouldn’t be a thing.
If the owner has had any influence on the company that have led to this decision, he should absolutely get punished aswell. But if he had nothing to do with it, nah. I feel like that would be cruel and unjust.
These guys are killing people. It’s like employing a psychopathic security guard who shoots people at best, or playing dumb about hiring a hit man at worst. Insulating owners from the consequences of their choices has been horrendous.
The pic above is criminal negligence, and the CEO was hired to do it.
and the CEO was hired to do it.
Yes, and the CEO is hired to keep an eye on everything that happens in the company. That’s his job. Not the owners at this point. The owner doesn’t tell the CEO to employ psychopathic people (unless he does excplicity, ofc). He tells the CEO: “Here’s your monthly salary, don’t fuck it up” and that’s it. Every further responsibility is with the CEO.
Insulating owners from the consequences of their choices
But hiring the wrong people isn’t the owners choice. The owner doesn’t make any choices anymore, otherwise he would be the CEO and not employ someone to run the business in their stead.
Hiring the CEO is the owners choice. They’re choosing to hire literal psychopaths. They have every resource to research this person first. It’s incredibly charitable to even call them criminally negligent because they are not sorry at all.
I see that you’re not trying to have a fair argument, you just want to hate. That’s fine, but there’s no point in having a genuine discussion with you about this topic. Have a nice day.
If we’re hurling insults, then it appears you’re simping for your own oppressors.
It really tells you that the nobility class never went away, it just rebranded itself.
Wealth hoarding, not to be mistaken with accumulation, should be grounds for investigation, and redistribution if necessary.
“Limited Liability” means what then? There are legal constructs that exist that have not been dismantled to even allow an idea like that to exist in legal doctrine.
It means limited, as in imposed limits. No doing wide spread economic or environmental damage is an existing limit?? Also no ones talking about LLC CEOs, we are talking about c corps lololol. Take your little libertarian ass back to school.
What the fuck is your problem? Jesus you think everything is a challenge to your identity. You are tilting at windmills you idiot. How many libertarians voted for Kamala and support the DSA, including donating and voting for DSA candidates? I have my copy of Capital on my kitchen table literally right now, right next to a giant collection of Pierre-Joseph Proudhon essays titled “Property is Theft!”, surely the mark of a libertarian. A libertarian who reads The Conquest of Bread by Kropotkin… okay… Imagine being as wrong and stupid as you are.
I was literally just saying LLCs are a thing. They limit liability. You can’t make LLC CEOs suffer as much as you want because of what Limited Liability does. You have to change what Limited Liability means to achieve your goals. Sorry you have challenges. l
I guess that means I’m a libertarian? Maybe if you’re a fucking idiot you have that logic and consider that libertarian rhetoric.
Linited Liability makes it so the CEO of Activision faces no accountability from the government when he caused his employees to kill themselves. Or the CEO of BP suffering consequences after those oil spills. Or the CEOs of for profit private prisons being held responsible for all of the illegal activities done inside the prisons. But they arent. That’s not a libertarian opinion you fucking moron. That’s a fact of life. Get your shit together the next time you comment.
Here’s a reminder that wage theft accounts for nearly 75% of all theft. It’s literally larger than every other form of theft combined, and then multiplied by almost three.
If you walked into a convenience store and blatantly stole a $2 candy bar at the same time every single day, they’d have a cop waiting for you by the end of the week. But if that same convenience store chain steals $2 in wages from each of their 5000 employees every single day, then that is just good business.
Part of the issue is that lots of people seem to think “my employer didn’t pay my check” is the only form of wage theft. In reality, wage theft typically happens via a thousand tiny things. Things like unpaid breaks that still require work. Unfair time clock rounding that shaves a fraction of an hour off of every employee’s clock in/clock out times. Managers requiring employees to show up early, and then not allowing them to clock in until their shift is scheduled to begin. Employers automatically deducting an hour of time for meal breaks, (for “convenience”) even if the employee was working during that time and got a shorter break. Employers requiring employees to clock out at the scheduled end of their shift to avoid overtime, then requiring those employees to finish their closing tasks while clocked out. Requiring employees to “always be on-call” but refusing to pay them an on-call fee when they take work calls while clocked out.
And those are just a few examples. All of those minor things quickly add up to massive amounts of stolen wages. For the employees, it is death by a thousand cuts. No single infraction is large enough to sue over, and no individual employee is going to bother going to court over $2 in unpaid wages. But when the company is doing it at scale, it means every employee is being paid less, which leads to massive illegal profits for the employer.
We should be at the point where RTO orders for positions that could be remote should also be considered a form of wage theft. Instead, we’re at a point where every hour, your employer steals what you get paid per day.
If employers had to pay employees for their commute time, that would be the end of RTO.
Maybe. I still don’t understand the economics of making people come in to work when the companies have to pay rent on the spaces where employees work.
Especially when gas is $6 a gallon, that steals $80 a week that I could keep by doing my job from home where it can 100% be done
Bang on Carl. Did you see Shweddy’s comment above? Thats what I do from time to time to combat the bullshit. I am fortunate to have a job in this economy I’m told. So I do what I must and try to do stuff for myself at work too
I literally posted that comment while sitting in a meeting. So yeah, I do it too.
Capitalism definitely requires property rights in order to function, but even without any government (anarchy), capitalism is the default condition, and property rights would still end up being enforced, because the rich would hire their own police force to protect themselves and their property.
Without a central government there would be no central currency and the means for exchange would be totally different. Pat of the capitalist structure we built uses the currency itself as a means of maintaining power and control. See: wealth redistribution around economic crisis.
Well, history gives us tons of examples of what happens when central currency collapses, and in full devaluations the fewer people with more immediate access to goods, collaborating associates, and weapons, are able to establish gangs, mafias, militias, or organizations that in the vast majority of cases are hierarchal in nature, eventually forming in service around a boss, often in a paradigm driven by cult of personality. Thus true anarchy is a fragile and usually short lived situation, with power vacuums soon filled with competing micro-governments, of which usually one then coallesces to take a monopoly of force over a specific region.
Why do they not ‘accidentally’ overpay them for once?
Here’s the thing, they sometimes do but unlike the circumstances where they underpay, they’ll notice and take it back, either directly or just paying less next time.
Totally totally unintentional.
Pinky promise bro.
Clock in and steal time. Shit on the clock. Check your local job postings. Use social media. Ask for clarification on that last email. Walk over for clarification. Just sit there.
But note these are all good “resistance” strategies, not solutions to the problem
this doesnt work for doordash because you’re being paid a flat per delivery rate. you won’t get anything for “clocking in”
