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Last one I had was the PS3 and since I own most of the same games I have on it on PC, it seems kind of pointless. Plus it roars like a Jet engine and still gets high temps despite having re-pasted it.
The whole point of gaming consoles was to eek every bit of performance out of hardware by booting directly into the game rather than supporting a crufty general purpose operating system. The minute you do things like implementing a web browser interface to simplify development time at the expense of increased complexity, your product becomes functionally indistinguishable from a PC which your customers will switch to eventually to.
It’s also invalid since PCs now can also do exactly that with Valve releasing Gamescope and Big picture, which people colloquially call SteamOS. Even though you can do the same thing on any Linux Distro. It literally does exactly that. It loads a console-like UI in Steam to select Games and doesn’t load heavy stuff like a browser or desktop. Unless you want to boot that stuff up.
Are you seriously comparing a full-blown linux distro with a gaming app preinstalled; to cartridge-era no OS consoles and CD-era BIOS-only consoles AND calling them exactly the same thing because they both have
console-like UI in Steam to select Games
?
Oh, and the latter (doesn’t load heavy stuff like a browser or desktop) is simply not true, because desktop is not heavy at all and steam ships with built-in web browser
I was team PlayStation until the Vita, which betrayed my trust.
How Sony handled the PS4 made me lose faith in the company as a whole, with how they handled PS Plus
And the PS5 just made it easier to never buy from them again.
Sony is only a good company when it’s trying to win, while loosing. See PS1 and the end of PS3 era
Linux PC is the only option left
You don’t own your games on Steam either.
Realistically we need laws changing to catch up. Nobody, not even good old uncle Gabe, are going to give us the same rights we had with physical games.
Support for Linux isn’t support for Steam.
Most games on steam arent DRM, so nothing stops you from backing up all your games.
Also for ones that use Steam DRM it can be simulated. It’s a stretch to call it hard DRM and I wish more people would mention this aspect.
Not having tens of thousands to spend on storage is a bit of a blocker in my case.
Just get a used LTO6 tape drive. You can get 6TB (compressed) cartridges for like $15 each on ebay.
I will look into this, thank you!
I own my GOG games though. Factorio, which I got straight from WUBE, I also own.
You own them the same way you own Steam Games without DRM. If you keep a backup of them you’ll always have them but if the store goes away or terminates the files you won’t be able to re-download it from them.
So the same as physical games then, if you lose your copy its gone. But its much easier to backup and have multiple.
You really aren’t selling physical media with DRM to me, and they always seem to have DRM. I could make 20 copies on bluray if I wanted to with my games, much harder with your physical ones.
You don’t own games on gog, you just have a offline DRM free installer
If you want to go down the technicality of owning that much the same applies to physical media for games.
I could copy my installer to a DVD and at that point it doesn’t really make a difference, oh look its physical now.
I understand there are different levels to the word “own”.
Own them as in “I can play them even if that store is unavailable in the future” is one level.
Own them as in “I can trade/give them to others when I don’t want them any more” is another.
One is not better than the other, and they’re not mutually exclusive. But physical gives you both of them. Digital doesn’t. Or not yet at least.
Digital is better then surely? I can give it to you and still have my original.
Ah, the good old days.
Steam is still driving a lot of support for Proton and other open-source development for gaming on Linux, which is why they’re still worth supporting. And if (maybe when) they enshittify, then it is far easier to sail the high seas on any Linux gaming rig than it is on any console.
You also don’t need to buy a game on Steam to benefit from Steam’s Proton.
True, but I do anyway because they consistently create the nicest gaming experience and have a plethora of nice features like their super user-friendly controller customization system.
PS4 was my last one. I was up for getting a PS5 but it was too expensive when it came out and the scalpers got them all. I thought “No worries, I’ll just wait and it’ll get cheaper.” And then it just kept getting more expensive forever.
I saw there is an exploit to root the ps5 and I just might do it. I could run the new emulator on it.
Be cautious if you decide to try it, and do your research.
Most jailbreaks and exploits only work if the console has old firmware on it and it never got updated to more recent firmware for whatever reason. If the firmware isn’t old enough, then you can’t put custom stuff on it, and then you just have a regular PS5.
Yeah, I took it offline awhile back. Its time to move on from Sony
I stopped at ps3. But when I worked at Activision, I learned that the ps5 was a great system to work on for development. It’s too bad that they’re fucking over consumers
PS5 and series X are pretty much just standardised PCs as far as hardware is concerned and they’re both full AMD setups to boot, I imagine it’s much easier to develop console games now.
PS3 had a weird ass CPU architecture. Very hard to make use of efficiently because of specialised coprocessors IIRC.
I actually ended up with a hierarchy of dev kits. I found the last gen kits to be miserable to work with, but the xbox dev sdk is pretty nice for both series and xbone. The PS5 is at the top for their suite of development tools. PS4 in comparison was horrific to use. PC with bnet was really good, but the build list could be overwhelming. There were times where different localization servers on the same server had different builds, it got very confusing at times
- PS5
- Battle.net
- Xbox series
- Xbox series retail
- Xbox one
- PS4
I mean, given how hard the PS3 was to develop for I’d imagine Sony learned their lesson there.
back to high seas for me arggg
I turned a refurbed gaming laptop into my last console. Runs nixos that boots straight into fullscreened gamescope -> steamos big picture ui. Best damn gaming srtup ive ever had
How much did the laptop cost you?
My old work laptop has an 11th gen i9 and rtx 3080 (laptop) and it goes for about $900 on ebay these days. Basically the same as a PS5 pro.
🤔 crazy to think that building a PC was cheaper before RAMageddon
Was about 2000 usd brand new, which i think amounts to about 1000 bucks in good comdition now?
Its an acer nitro 5 an515-55, p nice specs for when it released (2016-2020 ish i think).
Actually my gf’s old work machine (she does a lot of 3d modelling), we got a replacement free of charge because of manufacturing error regarding the battery, so its just been laying around. Perfect for this usecase as i just removed the battery, bypassing any funkiness in there.
So yeah lots of unknown variables there. If i had completely free choice id have gone with an amd gpu based machine. Muuuch less setup involved. The only real challenge in the setup was getting the nvidia gpu to play nice lol
sry for the infodump you triggered my ‘special interest’ trap card :P
That’s so cool and so fortunate to get! I’m not big into PC specs, but I understand it plays most games rather well, no?
No worries at all - I love me a good info dump :)
I gave away my previous Ps4, but now I’m in a weird spot where I don’t have a bluray player. It sounds like getting a bluray drive for Linux systems doesn’t seem to work very for drm reasons, so I’m trying to decide whether I should get a new drive for my ps3 or maybe get a new ps4. Ps5 is way too expensive. 🤔
I was able to source the keys and play movies just fine. Only thing was that the Menu didn’t work on VLC, so I had to play the titles directly. They all played fine though. The key thing though stagnates development and means issues won’t be fixed due to perceptions abut obtaining said keys.
You can hack blu ray players, which can help get around DRM but also let you make your own rips of both movies and games.
For patching this seems to only work with 1 specific drive chipset. Also not sure if ‘native support’ in the chart means any BD drive (when relevant) or only if it only works with BD drives that were already models that had the specific hardware/firmware to read games (I’m guessing it’s this one).
I would be very upset with my old non-compatible LG drive if I didn’t also lack the other circumstances that would make ripping games usable.
I think my old PC had one, but I’m assuming my new one does not. I haven’t bought or rented a Blu-ray in ages though, so I wouldn’t know. If I got desperate, I suppose I could dust off the old PC
It’s not the hardware that’s the issue, it’s the software. Bluray on Linux is pretty broken.
Could at least have used the image of the PS5 with a disc drive in it…
I’m convinced that Sony and Microsoft formed an agreement to both enshittify. Sony dropped the ball but Microsoft isn’t even trying to capitalise on that failure. Competition would usually immediately hit any signs of weakness but Microsoft isn’t even doing it. From the looks of it, Microsoft is even doing their own mistakes alongside Sony.
They don’t care about the consumer market anymore. All the money in society moved to the top 10% and those are their customers now.
MS aren’t trying to capitalise because they were already planning to do the same thing. Maybe for the fact they did it first, Sony are getting all the heat while the other players are sitting back waiting for it to blow over. And it will.
The fact is, most people don’t want physical media. Even the people complaining aren’t really complaining about physical media, they are complaining about buying a licence to software, which has been a thing longer than most people complaining have been alive.
Enshittification happens all over the world in almost every company. It isn’t limited to those two console makers.
So i doubt they would need to form an agreement on this.
What do you think of Nintendo nowadays?
PS3 is the last gaming console I can get behind, even if it wasn’t perfect. Everything has been enshittified to all hell since then and I just can’t any more. I actually bought a PS5, but the experience was just horrible. All the good things (the games boot up incredibly fast, I was actually amazed) were just drowned out by the negative aspects. I sold mine not long after. Never again. Tech is a living nightmare and nothing is exciting any more, just privacy violations and hostility to consumers. Nothing is worth it.
My ps3 was my last PlayStation couldn’t justify a ps4 and the ps5 was a nightmare for all the games releasing digital only (or having a disc that was effectively a drink coaster due to the game still needing downloaded in order to play)
I noticed the PS4 games took up way more hard drive space than the PS3 ones
Some PS3 games where 20-40GB each. You didn’t see the file size since the game actually ran off the disc. For a console where the average system size was 160GB is was not enough.
I would take a guess and say PS4 games took way more space than PS2 and PS1 as well.
It seems that games run more from the disc than say the PS3 hard drive.
Don’t you still need the disc for the license
Yes, but if/when Sony kills support for those systems the disc becomes a useless piece of plastic unless you have the entire game catalog installed. A ton of discs don’t contain enough of the game data to be playable out of the box.
I’ve been team Sony since the first PS. PS5 is my last.
Yea im kinda sad about it from nostalgia.
But fuck em.
Sony throws out the discs so they can make camera parts instead.
They sure are grateful of their customers.
