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The first time debian oldstable broke a package after an incremental update, i reconsidered my long running hard stance against arch
Updated my endeavour install last night from 6.18 to 7.1 without issue: daily -Syu is for the birds
ex arch user for 5 yrs
current fedora user since 2024
i’ve been getting a lot of “recommended” youtube videos on gentoo and nixos
send help plezz
Arch user (btw) here. I use xorg and a custom tiling window manager. I had 0 breakage regarding my config. Nvidie fked me 2 times and grub was broken 1 time. Thats it. 10 years 3 chroot. Pacman runs when I feel like it. I used two weeks to configure my setup, and I hardly ever change a thing nowdays.
Tried Hyperland on an “old” thinkpad, each update broke something. So no thanks, I’ll stick to mature, battle tested components, where my config and sanity will remain stable, and leave the tamagotchi for ricers/thinkerers.
ChatGPT-ass take
The ChatGPT accent is real.
Stable over rolling release?
These are not mutually exclusive.
Can haz stable rolling.
E.g. use Gentoo, and avoid the ~ and ** keywords.
Gentoo’s all about choice. You can choose to configure it so it does not require hand holding, and running it like a tamagochi. Or you can choose to fiddle with it so much it’s very time demanding… not the compiling, so much as the system configuration management. There’s official binhost now anyway. But then, if you’re fiddling around alot, you’ll send emerge to compile rather than just get a binary, to meet all your exacting nuances of configuration.
I have one gentoo that’s been rock solid for … about 17 years, with only one blip of downtime when there was a fire. No hand-holding.
Arch is indeed a different beast. In my experience, it’s only a matter of (relatively short) time before Arch eats its kernel or some other catastrophe that requires rescue or abandon.
Respect to Manjaro for what they try do, offer arch with more stability (and conveniences).
On a whim, just now, I made this
But, then, I hear many things have changed in arch, since I last used arch (just before the switch to systemd)… and maybe things have changed, and it does not do that any more…?
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And then also, can haz arch/artix/etc in a bedrock stratum… then it can carry on in its bloody rolling risky churn, in a safe space, where the more stable strata can pick up the slack when arch tries to faceplant itself again.
Does this include Cachy? I’ve had it for months now after years of distro hopping and it’s been great
What about you? When did you choose stability over the rolling release?
This is such sloppy engagement baiting. If it was just a hot take shitting all over one of the larger linux communities, that would be one thing, but to follow it up with a “let me know in the comments” just makes it all feel disingenuous and like somebody is being sponsored by NordVPN or Incogni to post their ragebait
Went the other way, moved from Mint 22.3 to OpenSuSE Tumbleweed. Rolling release with solid testing before updates are pushed, any breakage during testing and they don’t push that day’s update, and if something does slip through and break things, just boot into the pre-update snapshot and wait a day to try again with the next patches.
Up to date packages with low hassle, so as long as I don’t need stable-as-in-never-changes, it’s great.
Also, nice to have KDE 6 finally and to have KDE not be a forgotten afterthought (Cinnamon is nice but I always feel like I’m limited compared to KDE)
I actually tried Tumbleweed briefly before settling on fedora. I got the nvidia drivers and everything, but it was just an oddly buggy and slow experience for me. Kinda made me sad cause I’ve heard so many good things about it. Not blaming the distro at all don’t get me wrong, I know I’m a bit dumb so I always assume its a me problem before I start throwing blame at the distro. I might try it again when I get an amd gpu maybe.
OP never finished an Arch install
This implies an Arch install can ever legitimately be considered finished.
You could argue that the first boot into an installed kernel is a finished install
What a chaotically turbulent take.
Why is a ‘finished’ install framed as an universally superior goal?
Hilariously outdated take.
Arch really isn’t that bad when you’re not mucking around with the AUR. Debian is a little overkill for most normal users in respect to stability but it’s good people have the freedom to do whatever the heck they want with their machines.
I think if I was running a server at home for anything more than just wanting to tinker, I’d probably use Debian. But even then, I think if I had a server at home it’d be just to have a server lol.
I’ve made ~6 Arch systems at this point. None of them have randomly broken on me, none of them have broken after an update and to be honest have been solid. I have no idea where the narrative of Arch being able to destroy itself at any point came from, but I don’t think it’s true at all.
Its because people grab it randomly and then blindly install off the AUR
I was nervous to switch to arch at first because of all the jokes, but it’s honestly been pretty slick. My servers are all on Debian but I put arch on my daily driver and the most “tomogachi tinkering” I’ve done has been Bluetooth nonsense, which is a general problem on most distros.
Early on in Linux journey rolling distros are great.
I started my Linux journey with a rolling distro and I’m thankful for that. It broke every other day I spend hours upon hours on stackoverflow and other forums trying to find solutions and to fix it. That led to understanding linux in general to a greater depth. I’m now on a stable distro because I’ve a job now but I was only able to land that job because I knew Linux well enough. I know even after 10+ years I’m nowhere near the level others are at but it’s about the journey and not the destination. I’ve grown along the way.
Ok so at first I thought it was actually kind of cute and endearing but by the end I think that guy is an asshole
I’m not one of those Arch evangelicals, but this isn’t true at all now.
I am, and you’re right, but my server’s still running Debian
100%. I’ve got servers running arch for the past 5 years or so and they’re the most stable systems I’ve got. I got so tired of the painful upgrade paths on “stable” distros so decided to switch a server to a rolling release.
After I found arch got security patches into the repos faster than the stable distros could backport, I decided to switch them all over.
I’m even a mad man and have them self update with a script that checks informant (or something, can’t actually remember) for installed packages against news. If no installed packages are found in news, it continues with the scheduled update.
It’s glorious.
I fully endorse gentoo and arch in prod
Especially when customizing the kernel is the default experience with Gentoo, reducing the theoretical attack surface even more if you know what you’re doing.
I was too lazy for scripting the update to check the news and just get a mail when the update has issues… or should get one.
In reality I check if the email process still works once every blue moon because I didn’t get one from a failed update in years.
If you want to have at least some thrill, use testing repos. I had to fix GitLab two (2) times due to the main package not being linked against testing libraries (it took 10 seconds to ln -s the new to the old version), and had one breakage due to dovecot revamping their whole config system, but publishing no example/useful docs.
But it says this screenshot post happened 4h ago.
Did the internet lie to me?
It still says 4h ago. I checked a while ago, still the same. What the heck? Is it moving in time? Always four hours away? How is this possible?!
There might be a bug in your time, check the logs
Ask fusion researchers, they’ve been maintaining a 30 year difference for decades.
