The Spanish government said on Thursday that it would deploy the army to Ceuta to reinforce security after the crossings, which saw many migrants swim around the border to reach the territory.
The comments after that article, people are completely missing the point.
This is how I see it:
The EU pays Morocco to externalize its borders. Morocco has used these migrant dumps in the past as leverage to get more money or protest things it didn’t like. The EU is paying Morocco to be its border guard, so there is a structural dependency where Morocco holds the stronger hand.
Yes the court ruling in Spain happened that makes it look like this is why its happening now, but there are so many people, it seems allowed. Morocco denies they are officially involved, but they also denied this in the past when they clearly did. There are a lot of news reports of their border guards standing down, and even reports that they helped spread the social media news on purpose.
Why then? Because Spain recently strengthened diplomatic ties with Algeria, Morocco’s arch-regional rival. Seriously for a looooong time they have been rivals.
I also would see the ruling as a negative for Moroco’s government, as this removes a bit of their leverage. So they would like that reversed.
Edit: oh I forgot to mention, these people are just pawns in this game. Everyone wants to complain about the people they see in the photos, but it is the ruling classes on both sides that benefit from this, focus should be on them.
Europeans are happy to point and laugh at American racists.
But then moment some Africans cross the border their tune changes.
Don’t mention the Roma either…
One depressing aspect of the Americanization of history is the erasure of non-jewish victims of the Holocaust, you can litterally see it on the Wikipedia page, somewhere over the last couple of decades the Roma & Slavs were basically scrubbed from the Holocaust page.
I am not sure this counts as a border
If European countries don’t want weird borders that include parts of Africa, they should give the land back.
Also without said colonies there’s nowhere for facist general to overthrow your democracy from.
A territory is not a country.
Yeah I had no idea that place even existed… why do they even have that chunk? I thought they swam all the way to mainland spain.
The reconquista. When Christian Spanish kingdoms were conquering Muslim Iberia they took part of North Africa with it, as a treat, and just kept it since. The (honestly kinda sensible) Spanish position is these are core Spanish territories that simply happen to be in Africa rather than colonial territories that should be given back. Historically the Spain (or equivalents)-Morocco (or equivalents) border has been pretty fluid, so there’s no reason per se that “Africans stay in Africa, Europeans stay in Europe” should hold here, but in that case they don’t get to complain about having a land border with their former colonies.
Nah if they swam to the mainland they’d probably be given visas and conscripted into the Olympic team.
Give your land back to the native Americans
Kick all the Normans out of England too…
They’ve been there and from less further away far longer than Europeans have been in the americas
Just the Norman’s? Kick out the Beaker people too, Britain First (I will not be answering questions on the etemology of the word British)
Also without said word colonies there’s nowhere for facist general to overthrow your democracy from.
Has anyone really been far, even as decided, to use even go want to do look more like?
The difference is, most Americans themselves are descended from immigrants. We also don’t really laugh at the prevention of illegal immigration either when it is done sensibly.
We’re all immigrants if one goes back far enough.
I live in Northern Ireland. If I go back far enough, my ancestors are in Scotland. If I go back even further, they’re back in Ireland. It’s quite interesting.
Boy do I have bad news for you about the history of England.
People dripping in from the continent over hundreds of years isn’t the same as a sudden influx hopping a continent and causing smallpox to wipe out the locals
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The people migranting to Spain have to follow local laws, much better than when Europeans colonized Africa.
“sensibly”
are you american?
oh no, here we say “the right way”
Don’t you lot kidnap non whites off the street and if you’re wrong about their legality, punish them anyway for “resisting arrest”
what else are you supposed to do when things aren’t done properly? it’s just common sense. not racist. the migrant crisis in europe proves that, surely. i just love to look across the pond at some of their creative ideas for how to deal with people who just refuse to do things the right way. if only we also had a large sea we could just let them drown in, instead of having to spend so much money after they get here. clever stuff there from enlightened europe!
I have no issue with migrants, my issue is generally with people who try and bypass the immigration system for their own advantage. Often they tar the good name of legal migrants. We have a load of useful idiots here who seriously think that the only reason someone would attempt to enter Europe is because of war or danger. That isn’t the case.
Some ways are more sensible than others, but the whole concept of illegal immigration emerged from racists trying to maintain their racial purity so it’s fundamentally flawed from the get go.
It depends how you look at it. Generally people respect the autonomy of native americans. I think racial purity is stupid, but different cultures do have different social systems, more diverse than what we realise. Generally, integration is a good thing rather than a free-for-all.
Generally people respect the autonomy of native americans
Uh… not really but sure? It’s not the native Americans that started controlling immigration; it was white Americans.
but different cultures do have different social systems, more diverse than what we realise.
And this, a complete non-issue for the vast majority of human history, suddenly became a massive problem just as developed countries were getting worried about lesser races compromising their racial purity. Yeah, right.
Less sarcastically, what you’re presenting is one of multiple competing rebrandings for a system that is ultimately about racial purity. That’s how it started and it was never meaningfully reformed from there.
If the native americans controlled immigration and had the means to do so, they’d probably be in a better position.
I’d rather if we’d stop drying to be disingenuous and bring race into the argument. If anything, the major factor is religion. Immigration between european societies isn’t such a big deal as they all generally follow or were at least raised in some flavour of Christianity. Meanwhile Islamic societies and Islam itself have different values when it comes to things such as the treatment of women, polygamy, etc, that there’s some form of integration that needs to happen for the two religions to coexist with each other. Same can go for any other religion essentially.
What happened to the Native Americans can be called “immigration” only as much as WWII can be described as “the Germans immigrated east.” This is a complete non-sequitur.
Yep, so it’s important there’s a line that’s drawn
I mean that would be the right move, but would they actually do it? I doubt it
