Spoiler: The effects will impact 99% of Florida’s population.
could also cost them that house seat they picked up after 2020 census, since redistricting is based on census data–and the census counts persons not ‘citizens’.
Which is why the GQP keeps trying to make sure citizenry is on any census questionnaire.
selectively ignoring parts of the constitution is what they do.
Okay, let’s say that they only counted citizens, and the questions on the census reflected that. Texas and Florida would both lose representatives, since those states have larger undocumented immigrant populations. So I don’t know why they would want to do that.
Because they want to control and hurt people. Not help.
Well, yes. But not counting undocumented immigrants means that they would have lower numbers on the census, and would end up having less representation in congress, and thus less ability to exert control and harm the ‘right’ people. It’s just stupidly counterproductive.
No one said the GQP was smart.
I want to be clear: I don’t think that the people leading the GOP are dumb. I think many of them are very, very smart. Ted Cruz, for instance; yeah, I think that he’s an awful person, but he graduated from one of the most prestigious law schools in the country–Yale, I think–and that’s not mean feat. People in the GOP have cognitive biases, as do people in the Democratic party, and as do I. Many of these cognitive biases are completely invisible to the person that has them; they weight information that confirms their beliefs more heavily than information that would disconfirm, when it’s a belief that is central to their identity. And again, that’s not just the GOP; that’s everyone.
Point is, I don’t think that simply saying they’re dumb is accurate. Yeah, the GOP voters might be dumb, but shit, so are a lot of Democratic voters. And I’m dumb in some ways too.
Might bring down house/rental prices. Won’t bring down insurance prices, will increase prices of everything else.
If I’m a landlord and a bunch of tenants get booted from the country, not move, I’m not lowering prices. Prices are getting raised to cover the loss in revenue.
If people were moving, it would mean someone else had better prices or apartments and I was charging too much. Because they just vanished, it means that my relative position in the market remains unchanged, and I’m just getting less revenue.
And I mean, c’mon. Have you ever heard of a landlord lowering rent?
Imagine a 100 unit building. Most management companies stagger the leases to minimize time empty and maintenance hours (empty units need to be made ready for new tenants if 10 units become vacant in the same week, it will likely mean more time unoccupied).
Now, in Miami-Dade, the most populous and the least diverse country in Florida, 80 units suddenly become unoccupied and unpaid for. This would be financially devastating for the company. They will do what it takes to get tenants in leases and yes prices will drop.
Many of the apartments in the area are all under a handful of corporate companies. Conservatively they could lose 40% occupancy in a few months. Compound this in that there would also be a similar loss in the number of potential occupants. They would also likely lose most of their maintenance staff.
South Florida (Palm Beach, Broward, Miami-Dade) has a very large migrant population. Among this population you have Haitians, Cubans, and Venezuelans who have protected statuses that will likely end. These statuses also mean that the government will know exactly where to go to start the process of removal.
You’re making the assumption of one person per apartment and one deportation = 1 vacant apartment which is highly unlikely. Probably a whole family in the apt. so it may not even be vacated at all if one member is deported. Even if the whole family is deported that’s only like 1 vacant apartment per at least 4-5 or more deportations. So yes, more housing will become available but not as much as you are estimating. IMO the effects will be felt much more in the labor shortage than in housing surplus.
Imagine that same story, but it’s 7 units suddenly becoming unoccupied and you have a more plausible scenario.
Housing doesn’t work precisely the same as other goods. People don’t break their lease to jump to an apartment with lower rent.
If you have vacancy because people aren’t choosing you, you need to make changes to increase appeal.
If you had otherwise full occupancy and now you and all your competitors have 7% vacancy, you don’t need to make yourself stand out
Yeah, that’s not how that works at all.
Yep with the exodus, you’ll have a glut of apartments without tenants. You don’t raise your prices in that situation, you lower them because a lower amount of rent is better than nothing. I’m friends with an apartment manager; yes we talk shop, this is what actually happens.
When was the last time your friend dealt with the government arbitrarily removing 5%-10% of the rental population from the market as a whole?
Normally if you have a lot of vacancies, it’s because other places are more attractive. In this situation it’s because of an arbitrary market distortion.
A better example is looking at university towns where the student population is comparable to permanent residents. In those situations you often see rental companies raise costs during the summer. When the students are on their way back for the next year, prices come down to increase appeal.
Yeah, but those empty units are still costing you money, especially if you still have a mortgage on them. You want to fill them before other landlords with the same problem snatch up your potential tenants. And there’s fewer tenants to go around. If someone else drops rent and snatches up all your potential tenants you’re just stuck paying off your own mortgage until you find someone.
And it’s not like you became a landlord to pay off your own mortgage.
And the people they are deporting play a significant role in housing maintenance, repair, and construction.
Good. Screw Florida.
It’s not just the undocumented immigrants. It will never ever be only them. The pigs will round up everyone who they think looks foreign, whatever that means. Lock them up and let God sort out the details. Even if the pigs weren’t racist (lol), they’d still have a small margin of error, and all of those false positives are Americans whose lives will be ruined.
It’s simply irresponsible not to point this out, when the U.S. had this exact issue a century ago.
Any hints of where they are planning to bring these millions of people once they snatched them?
I think Texas has already volunteered land for camps.
and are there plans beyond camps on US soil? If they want to deport people, somebody‘s gotta take them
“I have extended an offer to President Trump and incoming border czar Tom Homan to use this 1,400-acre property to construct a facility for the processing, detention, and coordination efforts of what will be the largest deportation of violent criminals in our nation’s history.”
Buckingham said a facility built on this farmland recently bought by Texas will be the final stop for processing migrants before deportation.
She also promised more Texas land for mass deportation: “The new project that the General Land Office is going to bargain that I have created is the Jocelyn Initiative, in which we will locate appropriate land under my jurisdiction to lease for the construction of violent criminal deportation facilities.”
I only have the heart to read so much of this. My little family is white and we have moved to a safer state from the deep south. We’re guessing we’ve got about a decade of safety before things get dangerous for us again.
Trying to strike a personal balance between being aware of safety concerns and not feeding myself large amounts of depressing info.
All the best for you and your family
Camp in Texas on the Mexico border. Open a passage into Mexico. Problem solved!
That’s one in twenty, for you Floridians.
Something something leopards and faces
This is going to fuck up the healthcare industry (along with many others) and it’s going to hit alot of Americans hard. There’s millions of immigrant home health aides across the country that help care for mentally disabled and elderly Americans. Start taking away those aides and suddenly you’ve got Americans struggling to find anybody to watch their family members, causing them to have to choose between work and caring for a relative. It’s going to be a shitshow if they actually follow through with this.
The only silver lining I can see is that it might actually open Americans’ eyes to how much they actually need immigrants after everything goes to shit, but I’m sure the ignorant will just go on to blame some other group for the resulting fallout.
Maybe more, if they go after the Russians.
lol, they won’t.
Florida: “good!”
…well, uh.
Wow the Biden admin did a lot of damage
/s
Nah. 1.1 million illegals is a lot no matter how you cut it
How do you figure any of this is specifically Biden’s doing?
Its his fault that he didn’t build a wall around Florida!! And all illegal immigration started in 2020, there was exactly zero beforehand!!
/s
With the rising sea, a wall around Florida actually sounds like a smart idea 😅 I’m sure maga will blame Biden for water too.
7.2 million illegal immigrants under his administration, vs magnitudes less in the same time frame under trump. Or Obama. Bush even.
Biden had this catch and release program, and it didn’t keep them out.
I question the source of this 7.2m number. Since they are illegal, they don’t exactly report themselves. Additionally, how many of those have been here a while? How many came through under trump. All you say is “magnitudes less” but offer no numbers for that.
Sounds like you watch a lot of Fox News and listen to a lot of trump speeches. Those numbers seem to jump around a lot. Almost as if they are entirely made up on the fly.
I guess the best option is to make this place so unlivable for everyone that no one would ever want to move here. Good luck with the brain drain.
You can get a fair picture here:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
Nothing you can part a hard number on, obviously. But you can derive trends easily enough.
For example, check 2024, a year that’s trended down. Let’s pretend that number was 100,000 immigrants/month for all of that year, and we’re being ridiculously conservative here. That’s 1.2 million souls. These are real people, that require food, water, shelter, medicine, all that. It’s a bit staggering just imagining the infrastructure needed, let alone humanitarian needs.
So, using stupid low numbers, that adds to 4.8m people in 4-years. We could drill down forever, but that count is not going to get lower. 7.2m strikes me as a reasonable figure. Especially if we’re including immigrants from sources other than the Southern border.
So what is before 2022? I’m on a phone rn so maybe I can’t see it all, but I’m guessing it looks that that all the way back to 2016. So, not really a “Biden” thing. Just a regular thing that happens.
You pulling numbers out of your ass?
long-term decline of the undocumented population – from 12 million in 2008 to about 10 million in 2020 – has ended, at least for a few years. The provisional estimate of 11.7 million for 2023 is still below the historic peak of 12 million reached in 2008. The population grew by about 800,000 from 2022 to 2023, about 200,000 below undocumented population growth in 2000-2001.
Source: Center for Migration Studies
Probably got the number straight from the horses mouth at a trump event. Smells a lot like horseshit to me.
Their lack of response speaks volumes – chatty as hell until hit with the facts
Source for these random numbers?
Also, all you have to do to reduce migration is have a global pandemic that kills millions and stops travel of every kind. Trump doesn’t get credit for that - unless you prefer his mishandling of the pandemic and poor economic prospects under his administration as disincentive to come to the US?
Back of the napkin math in my comment:
Almost all of those immigrants are actually 100% legal. Immigration violations are almost all civil cases, not criminal.
The terminology you’re looking for is undocumented. And many undocumented immigrant wanted to be documented, to request asylum, but they were blocked from doing so at the border, in violation of international treaty. So they found another way in. Will they be allowed to request asylum in the future, when the pigs round them up?
Undocumented immigrants are illegal immigrants. It’s an euphemism.
I think your username needs to check out.
I guess Elon is gone then.
Less than 0.3% of the US population.
It’s not very much.
