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How has immigration affected the average voter?
Tasty ethnic food. There are tasty tacos around, some good Pho, there was an Ethiopian place around here, and tabouli with BBQ.
The remaining Caribbean place around here is really disappointing and the pulled pork is dry, so there is that.
I was thinking on this just the other day. Without immigration, and native people alike, we wouldn’t have such good food. How can’t you hate people with such good food!?
Their eyes are offended by the very sight of someone different from them.
All my favorite food and culture comes from regions I am not native.
Easy.
There is a huge portion of the country, about 1/3, that knows they aren’t living the American dream, but they work hard and don’t understand why.
Then, someone tells them something slightly true. That there’s not enough pie to go around (semi-true), and that the reason there’s not enough pie is all the immigrants and freeloaders who aren’t working and are taking handouts (false).
What they aren’t told is there could be enough pie to go around, if the top 1% was willing to share. They aren’t. And they now control ~35% of wealth in the USA.
And then the top 1% uses that extra capital to tell that 1/3 of people that their Hispanic neighbor is the problem.
a big chunk of that bloc is first gen immigrants themselves.
all my 2nd gen immigrant friends have parents who hate new immigrants and support ICE type policies and are big Trump fans.
First gen immigrants are affected by new immigrants, they’re in direct competition with the new guys and many are quite happy to pull up the ladder.
If that was all that was going on, it would be pretty understandable for that subset.
What I don’t get are the white ones with first gen immigrant partners.
most of the immigrant women I have dated wanted a conservative white guy boyfriend. probably because they were looking for a guy like their dad.
If magas could read a post this long they might get it
Not a chance.
Is it ok to be against immigration that lets people be exploited, such as h1-b without sufficient enforcement, or undocumented aliens where the person is at risk but the employer is not. We can fix it by better support of employee rights regardless of immigration status
Immigrant. Nothing at all.
Illegal immigrant - then you’re asking the wrong question. You should be asking why having second class citizens with exploitable cheap labor is bad.
Absolutely no one is arguing for anti immigration.
Stephen Miller and a number of GOP leaders are demanding that legal immigration be frozen or reduced.
Yeah? And what’s Kid Rock’s stance on the best flavor of pop tarts?
really ? So lets takle illegal immigration. You let ppl come that you have no iea about them, it create a lot of risk, health, criminality and sutain buisness of human traficking. Then the ppl that came lets forget all the risk and imagine it a s good person and not a rapist murdere that was in a gang or terrorist organisation, wich happen since u have litteraly nor verification. they dont have the same lvl of life can’t speak the language, will undermine your value etc etc. It s so fucking crasy to me that you can’t even aprehend that letting ppl freely come to a place without any verification you can’t see anything wroong with it. Mb it s cause you r talking about a country and your brain can’t comprehend so take as an exemple your home. Will you let unknown ppl comme into it ? for how long they can and do what they want ? And for what benefice ?
• it create a lot of risk • sutain buisness of human traficking • Then the ppl that came lets forget all the risk and imagine it a s good person • wich happen since u have litteraly nor verification • It s so fucking crasy • Mb it s cause you r talking about a country • for how long they can • for what benefice
Immigrant ≠ illegal immigrant.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s
They clearly think cruelty is a zero sum game. If cruelty is applied to another, the cruelty to them is reduced.
They are wrong. The machine knows no bounds. Your boot on another’s face does not remove the boot from your own.
Have you ever considered being a giant racist dick though?
My personal explanation:
These are people who weren’t here when those voters were children and a large part of the population are voting to stop time, not policies or anything.
Has she tuned into Nick Fuentes. The answer is: racism.
They are taking mah jobs at the moment.
Seriously, though, send help. I’m fighting them off with this broom handle for now, but there are just too many of them!
Surpressed wages. Immigration is just a consequence of the bourgeoisie war against the proletariat. It works double for them because they can blame the immigrants that they bring in for people’s problems and can use them to make those problems worse.
You aren’t going to find pro immigrant leftists. You will find humanitarian leftists that think the people the right bring here should be treated like people.
That’s not an immigration issue, it’s worker exploitation. We allow companies to hire unprotected workers and exploit their situation without consequences.
And yes, same is true of h1-b. As written, it theoretically would not reduce wages, but in reality it does because employers exploit their situation without system and the “trapped worker.
In both cases, wjilynarenwenletting corps get away with this?
even by that logic, it is not the immigrant who is suppressing wages, but the capitalist. and he is so giddy about cunts blaming the immigrant with suppressed wages.
That’s what I said.
sorry,if I misread it.
Also a slight tangent, leftists don’t believe in borders, so “immigrant” is a nonsensical term.
why is someone considered less of they aren’t living in their birth country??? such an irrational hierarchies.
Borders have a purpose, if we try removing them then we just become colonizers.
Rather than removing borders it’s better to invest to bring up the status of their home country.
Why should someone have to leave home to be more?
borders should be nothing more than tools to help manage regions, not as restrictions for people, no one should need to move, but everyone should be able to do so if they wish to.
borders are literally a colonial invention.
You will find your lack of fight against oppressers just more readily allows them to oppress.
Borders aren’t a colonial invention, your reference is to the idea that common people are subject to borders. Lords had their realms, and even with that common people had security checks. Let us not forget the military checkpoints that Guan Yu was stopped at as he fled Cao Cao. Historical accuracy of the account aside; it shows military checkpoints in traveling roads.
If you want to say Rome was colonialist then I’d agree but you’re going back three thousand years and refusing to acknowledge a system to prevent military incursions.
Regular people would get their wares checked and weapons confiscated when entering cities. Sometimes their wares would be held until they leave or they’d be denied entry.
The biggest change which you seem confused on is the scale of the states involved. Going from city state to country is more of a logistical hurdle we overcame than a colonialist expansion.
modern borders, as a fence where people aren’t allowed to cross is a colonial invention.
and honestly, arguing semantics and history is a fun tangent but not what I care about.
everyone should be free to travel and live/work/study wherever they please. and an immigrant and a local should have the same rights and opportunities.
that is separate to the point of “we should make their places better so they don’t need to migrate” which I agree, but need to note the western chauvinism in that statements. it would be enough if the west stopped messing and exploiting those nations, forcing them into poverty.
It’s a little more complex than this. Wage suppression does occur but only at the very bottom strata of employment, specifically those producing use-values that are directly consumed within the country where the labour is performed. Employment in industries producing globalised/exported commodities tend not to see wage suppression and often sees an opposite effect as the higher concentration of highly-qualified labour attracts more investment. All this is to say that the overall effect doesn’t tell the whole story, and different sections of the bourgeois may have differing reasons for supporting/opposing immigration.
dude, HB-1 visas lower wages in the tech sector, and there is a reason big tech corpos are so desperate to increase how many there are, so they can bring immigrant programmers to the USA and pay them 50K a year instead of a 150K a year a American programmer might get. They can also exploit them to work 80hour weeks or more because the visa is dependent on the companies sponsorship.
It’s also a reason the AMA doesn’t let foreign doctors practice in America w/o a crazy certification process that takes years to go through. They know it would lower physicians wages if doctors for eastern Europe could immigrate here and would glad to work for 80K.
Nobody likes to talk about these things because they are politically incorrect. Bring them up and people will tell you you’re being an asshole.
Immigration is a complex problem at all bands of the economic spectrum. On the rich end, countries have national programs to actively court rich people to become citizens and expedite the process… because they want their money and assets in country. And on the flip side, nobody wants poor people because they are economic burdens who often use a lot of public resources.
Correct, but this more a case of qualifications chasing investment rather than vice-versa. It’s not the kind of immigration that tends to get ‘debated’ in terms of how much of it should be allowed, though the H1Bs were kind of in the news cycle a few months ago.
I live in a big tech city and it’s a very hot topic here on both sides. A lot of HB-1 visa holders are basically ghettoized in their companies and socially from the ‘tech bro’ workers who are from upper middle class white/asian families. They do a lot of the same work, but their wage differential is like a factor of 2-4x for the same job.
But true that it’s not a big deal nationally, which seems to mostly focus on latin american emigration of uneducated low wage laborers.
That’s fair. I didn’t realise how socially divisive the H1Bs were, though it makes sense now that you mention it.
one of my friends rents out his spare bedroom to hb-1 holders and people flip out at him for it. he’s just a nice guy looking to give someone a leg up in this shitty world. and the people who shit on him the most are the ones who got houses paid for by their parents.
What were the answers?
Read how the Nazis came to power you need a boogie man to blame and tell people to fear.
