The US have always been fascists to countless countries and their own minorities.
Now they complain because they get a little taste at home.
I really can’t have any sympathy for them, on the contrary.The primary difference is access to the media being shown here, as in most of the 1930s footage was not nearly as widely available as it is in the video-in-your-pocket era
Some of the resemblances are a bit far sought, but yeah, the US is currently run by Nazi wannabees
They are not 3rd riech nazis there are 4 Chan nazis
Missing some important ones like
Anyone could have known as early as 2016. Just by checking the Wiki page on demagogues and having a look at the tactics section.
Both Hitler and Trump check all of those boxes. These two have more in common than people want to admit.
He was reported to have kept a copy of hitler’s book on his nightstand for years, so yeah, there was that. He directly quoted mussolini and stalin at that. There was never any doubt he would try to become like them. It just so happened that the rot in our institutions, and opposition party, was so deep nothing stopped him, even though he’s an incompetent braggartty bore. Those are his better qualities. It’s depressing we lost our republic, it appears, to that asshole. The party will take over after he’s gone too they fully intend on fixing elections.
like hitler he was also methanphetamine and its variants.
trump also mentioned he idolizes hitler many times, and has allegedly has the MEIN KHAMF as a shrine when he sleeps.
Well, having a book like “Mein Kampf” on your nightstand is not a good sign either, but him using all the methods of a demagogue should have been unmistakable and even more obvious.
Sorry I forget, how were the Nazis stopped again?
By Soviet sweat, blood and tears. The Soviet Union lost an unimaginable 25 million lives (with some regions like Belarus losing ONE IN THREE PEOPLE) in the struggle against Nazism. Say what you will about the Soviet Union but they are the liberators of Europe and they will have my eternal gratitude for it, especially as a Spaniard, since they were the only country in the Spanish Civil War to send weapons, tanks and planes to the antifascists. Forever will love the Soviet BT-5 tanks and the I-16 “moscas” in their labor of killing fascists in Spain!
And obviously you respect especially Belarus and Ukraine, because it was them that did the heavy lifting in that, as you already somewhat mentioned, right?
Obviously, my utmost respect to the brave workers and soldiers of all the ethnicities in the USSR that contributed to the slaughter of the Nazi monster, including not just Russians but Belarusians, Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Maris… Belarus and Ukraine took the worst part because they were occupied by the Nazis who had a policy of extermination of the Slavic peoples, it’s truly horrifying what the people of said republics had to endure.
Because they didn’t just stick to oppressing the citizens of their country, they invaded a country that had allies and they caused a war which they lost.
“after a few years, we won’t stand for that, will we?”
So Greenland is Poland and Canada is France in this scenario, got it.
I think it was some struggling artist that got fed up and shot their leader, wasn’t it?
They were opposed by a coalition of other countries led by an emerging super power who cooked their asses in a world war ending in nukes.
Oh. Oh no.
Well, the evil red fash tankies you hate so much made enormous sacrifices and contributions in order to bring them down.
So did the other allies, do you suddenly like capitalist countries?
Oh and let’s not ignore the Soviets allying with Nazi Germany to annex Poland. If the Nazi’s never declared on them, would the Soviets have attacked them first?
So did the other allies, do you suddenly like capitalist countries?
Tankie here: I do like the English and French contribution in the European theater post-1939, but let’s remember the scale. 80% of dead Nazi soldiers were killed at the Eastern Front, and all polls in France post-WW2 clearly show that everyone knew it was the Soviets who saved their asses from Nazi extermination. We tankies make it a point to talk about the USSR’s main role in the liberation of Europe from Nazism because this role has been severely downplayed and anti-propagandized since the cold war.
I’ll reply to the “Soviets allying with the Nazis to annex Poland” in the folowing comment because it’s way too long for just one comment
Tankie here
I’m going to be honest here, that alone is generally enough to make me downvote, ignore, and move on. However I respect that you’ve written a detailed historical response, which is the only reason I’m going to reply as I am.
I’ve had this debate too many times with tankies and it goes nowhere. The time and effort I could invest into replying to paragraph upon paragraph of text would yield nothing of value, and as I have seen time and time again we would both walk away without any difference of historical opinion. So I apologise but I’m not going to sit here and waste what could be an hour or more of my time sourcing and counter-arguing what I feel is a futile endeavour. And if I may offer some advice, conciseness is more respectful of ones time rather than the wall-of-text approach.
I will say that I fully acknowledge that Soviet troops were monumental in defeating Nazi Germany, but this was not in a vacuum and without the contributions of the other Allies and programs such as Lend-Lease the Soviets would have also not have achieved what they did. As for the Poland stuff, I heavily disagree, and I’ll leave it at that.
I respect and appreciate Lend-Lease, I can’t tell if it saved the war, but it certainly saved hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives by providing much-needed humanitary assistance in hunger-struck WW2 USSR.
As for conciseness, I don’t believe I’ve taken too long to explain my point of view, it’s just that the geopolitics of the era are complicated, and they require lengthy explanation by themselves. I haven’t overcomplicated anything, and it’s your choice whether to read it or not, but it’s a collection of several extremely important points IMO that define the Soviet policy in the prelude of the Great Patriotic War.
As for Poland, can you pinpoint me to what exactly of my analysis you disagree with? I’d like to learn more if you have any valuable input
I respect and appreciate Lend-Lease, I can’t tell if it saved the war, but it certainly saved hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives by providing much-needed humanitary assistance in hunger-struck WW2 USSR.
Almost all of the trucks used by the Soviet Military were US-made trucks delivered through that lend-lease program. I would guess that the ability to bring fuel and ammo to the front did help the Soviet Army quite some bit!
It is of course possible they could have won bringing the ammo to the front with horses instead of trucks, but honestly – I doubt they would have made it.
I’m not trying to argue about alternate history, you can speculate as much as you want about a Soviet victory with or without those trucks, I already said that it’s factual that lend-lease saved hundreds of thousands if not millions of Soviet lives. What’s this interrogation?
Oh and let’s not ignore the Soviets allying with Nazi Germany to annex Poland.
This is a widely repeated misconstruction of the events in Reddit and Lemmy. I’m gonna please ask you to actually read my comment and to be open to the historical evidence I bring (using Wikipedia as a source, hopefully not suspect of being tankie-biased), because I believe there is a great mistake in the way contemporary western nations interpret history of WW2 and the interwar period. Thank you for actually making the effort, I know it’s a long comment, but please do engage with the points I’m making:
The only country who offered to start a collective offensive against the Nazis and to uphold the defense agreement with Czechoslovakia as an alternative to the Munich Betrayal was the USSR. From that Wikipedia article: “The Soviet Union announced its willingness to come to Czechoslovakia’s assistance, provided the Red Army would be able to cross Polish and Romanian territory; both countries refused.” Poland could have literally been saved from Nazi invasion if France and itself had agreed to start a war together against Nazi Germany, but they didn’t want to. By the logic of “invading Poland” being akin to Nazi collaboration, Poland was as imperialist as the Nazis.
As a Spaniard leftist it’s so infuriating when the Soviet Union, the ONLY country in 1936 which actively fought fascism in Europe by sending weapons, tanks and aviation to my homeland in the other side of the continent in the Spanish civil war against fascism, is accused of appeasing the fascists. The Soviets weren’t dumb, they knew the danger and threat of Nazism and worked for the entire decade of the 1930s under the Litvinov Doctrine of Collective Security to enter mutual defense agreements with England, France and Poland, which all refused because they were convinced that the Nazis would honor their own stated purpose of invading the communists in the East. The Soviets went as far as to offer ONE MILLION troops to France (Archive link against paywall) together with tanks, artillery and aviation in 1939 in exchange for a mutual defense agreement, which the French didn’t agree to because of the stated reason. Just from THIS evidence, the Soviets were by far the most antifascist country in Europe throughout the 1930s, you literally won’t find any other country doing any remotely similar efforts to fight Nazism. If you do, please provide evidence.
The invasion of “Poland” is also severely misconstrued. The Soviets didn’t invade what we think of nowadays when we say Poland. They invaded overwhelmingly Ukrainian, Belarusian and Lithuanian lands that Poland had previously invaded in 1919. Poland in 1938, a year before the invasion:
“Polish” territories invaded by the USSR in 1939:
The Soviets invaded famously Polish cities such as Lviv (sixth most populous city in modern Ukraine), Pinsk (important city in western Belarus) and Vilnius (capital of freaking modern Lithuania). They only invaded a small chunk of what you’d consider Poland nowadays, and the rest of lands were actually liberated from Polish occupation and returned to the Ukrainian, Belarusian and Lithuanian socialist republics. Hopefully you understand the importance of giving Ukrainians back their lands and sovereignty?
Additionally, the Soviets didn’t invade Poland together with the Nazis, they invaded a bit more than two weeks after the Nazi invasion, at a time when the Polish government had already exiled itself and there was no Polish administration. The meaning of this, is that all lands not occupied by Soviet troops, would have been occupied by Nazis. There was no alternative. Polish troops did not resist Soviet occupation but they did resist Nazi invasion. The Soviet occupation effectively protected millions of Slavic peoples like Poles, Ukrainians and Belarusians from the stated aim of Nazis of genociding the Slavic peoples all the way to the Urals.
All in all, my conclusion is: the Soviets were fully aware of the dangers of Nazism and fought against it earlier than anyone (Spanish civil war), spent the entire 30s pushing for an anti-Nazi mutual defence agreement which was refused by France, England and Poland, tried to honour the existing mutual defense agreement with Czechoslovakia which France rejected and Poland didn’t allow (Romania neither but they were fascists so that’s a given), and offered to send a million troops to France’s border with Germany to destroy Nazism but weren’t allowed to do so. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was a tool of postponing the war in a period in which the USSR, a very young country with only 10 years of industrialization behind it since the first 5-year plan in 1929, was growing at a 10% GDP per year rate and needed every moment it could get. I can and do criticise decisions such as the invasion of Finland, but ultimately even the western leaders at the time seem to generally agree with my interpretation:
“In those days the Soviet Government had grave reason to fear that they would be left one-on-one to face the Nazi fury. Stalin took measures which no free democracy could regard otherwise than with distaste. Yet I never doubted myself that his cardinal aim had been to hold the German armies off from Russia for as long as might be” (Paraphrased from Churchill’s December 1944 remarks in the House of Commons.)
“It would be unwise to assume Stalin approves of Hitler’s aggression. Probably the Soviet Government has merely sought a delaying tactic, not wanting to be the next victim. They will have a rude awakening, but they think, at least for now, they can keep the wolf from the door” Franklin D. Roosevelt (President of the United States, 1933–1945), from Harold L. Ickes’s diary entries, early September 1939. Ickes’s diaries are published as The Secret Diary of Harold Ickes.
"One must suppose that the Soviet Government, seeing no immediate prospect of real support from outside, decided to make its own arrangements for self‑defence, however unpalatable such an agreement might appear. We in this House cannot be astonished that a government acting solely on grounds of power politics should take that course” Neville Chamberlain House of Commons Statement, August 24, 1939 (one day after pact’s signing)
I’d love to hear your thoughts on this
So did the other allies, do you suddenly like capitalist countries?
I like them when they’re killing Nazis, yes.
Oh and let’s not ignore the Soviets allying with Nazi Germany to annex Poland.
Oh and let’s not ignore Britain and France allying with Nazi Germany to give them the Sudetanland.
If the Nazi’s never declared on them, would the Soviets have attacked them first?
If the Nazis had never declared on the Allies, would they have attacked them first? Is there a point to this counterfactual?
Cool, I don’t like capitalist states even when they’re a broken clock sometimes.
Likewise I don’t like Britain and France, so I’m happy not to ignore them, nor do I think they would have invaded to stop the genocide if not for the invasion of Poland.
You seem to be deflecting and arguing against a liberal instead of an anarchist. Better luck next time.
At this point I’m genuinely confused why you asked the question in the first place. What answer were you looking for? Because last I checked the Allies, who collectively stopped the fascists, were an alliance between state entities. Specifically, between capitalist states and the USSR. But you “don’t like” either of those, even when they’re fighting the Nazis!
Why would you ask a rhetorical question to lead people to an answer you disagree with? Christ, the brainworms are beyond my ability to detangle.
Your little gotcha’s didn’t land, so now you’re going back to square one?
I was asking because the answer was the use of force - not waiting until the mid-terms to vote in what will most likely be the most rigged election in US history. A answer I feel most people understood, but of course you had to try and shoehorn in ‘the soviets were great’ which isn’t surprising from you lot.
Either way I’m done replying now, you can simp for genocidal authoritarians to someone else.
If the use of force alone was enough, the Nazis never would’ve come to power. There were plenty of people willing to face them in the streets and match their violence, far more than there are in the US today.
But it’s obvious that you just want to exchange snipes and have zero interest in actually learning anything from history, so you will continue to repeat the mistakes of the past. Even when the fascists are at your doorstep, you’ll still be punching left, and demanding everyone follow incoherent and dysfunctional ideas because you can’t be assed to read theory, study history, or engage with anyone beyond snipes and memes.
It’s really not for so many reasons. But high speed mass communication changes everything. It’s really far worse. Soo many more people know what is happening and are choosing to be part of it.
Soo many more people know what is happening and are choosing to be part of it.
This was true in Nazi Germany too.
The key word in the sentence is “more”. So no it can’t be true that in Nazi Germany more people knew than in Nazi Germany. 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2?
Interesting that German Nazis didn’t wear masks. Guess US Nazis are cowards? Or maybe we just need to give it more time until the impunity becomes systemic.
American racists are cowards, just like at the kkk.
They know it’s bad what they are doing
Nazi Germany didn’t have to deal with the slight issue of CCTV, doorbell cameras and every single person having in their pocket an Internet-linked camera with facial recognition capabilities
they did have radio which was very effective.
As far as facial identification goes, the phrase, “you have a face for radio” exists for a reason.
That only matters in the case of actual accountability. At this point, these fuckers won’t see justice unless they happen to be on the losing side of the civil war/war of independence, depending on who is writing the history books.
I was thinking more along the lines of “Internet justice” e.g. doxxing. That’s the real fear
the DNC is unlikely to push prosecute them, even if they do it will be a slap on the wirst like the jan 6 Rioters.
many of the ICE are also race traitors; hispanics blacks, thier community will know the moment they are outed as an ICE pig.
Military parades, police brutality and people reduced to misery is not a trump exclusive. USA has been fascist for a long time.
True, but the major powers all did forced ‘reparations’ from Germany. Paperclip involved the other Allied and colonial powers too.
Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim
The Allies were absolutely more favorable to surrendering Nazis, no question, but let’s not act like Paperclip was somehow unique or exceptional.
It’s more salient, I think, that the Nazis concept of Lebenstraum was inspired by American Manifest Destiny, as did Jim Crow laws for the Third Reich’s legal implementation of genocidal policies.
True, but the major powers all did forced ‘reparations’ from Germany. Paperclip involved the other Allied and colonial powers too.
Most countries and nations are shit. Name a single ruling politician from any first world country that oppose trump.
If you look at the denazification program the Soviets did in East Germany, and then look at the lack of such efforts by the Allies in West Germany, you get a better understanding of the different approach by each side to Nazis.
Exactly, Soviets wanted to wipe them out, while Allies took them in. Soviets are by far the real heroes.
Did you miss the part where operation paper clip was a race against the Soviets to take the most intellectual talent? They were giving the right people passes too. The ideological war was long over and the existential war around nukes was just getting going. Everyone wanted those scientists.
Yeah except the Soviets already were AHEAD in the science department, remember ??
They were the ones that started the space-race. Oh & those “scientists” were Nazis.
Would you look at that, the post is already removed on Reddit.
If it was removed, how am I seeing it?
I have no idea, but if you click the source in the link it’ll take you to a Reddit page that has the opening post deleted.
I assume since this was posted to infosecpub, a copy was stored there and then all of the other instances view it from there. And the “source” link was just a link to the original post on reddit
Was the Nazi salute not a big enough giveaway ??
The only thing missing are the tatoos. oh wait… looks at Graham Platner plus others
How can I download a copy of the video? On Voyager fwiw
Click video, then select 3 dot menu, download
Well shit, I thought I’d tried that but nope. There it was. Thanks!
