Look, I actually have to spend my time around Americans. I dislike them probably more than a lot of people who say stuff like in [https://www.reddit.com/r/TankieTheDeprogram/s/eHww4UALHm](this thread). But it’s not out of lack of trying.
But that’s besides the point. No other country’s people gets treated this way. And no, I’m not going to say I’m more oppressed than people in the global south or whatever. In fact a lot of psychological problems result from the fact that I’m privileged to be in the global north.
But Americans are so often…dismissed. That’s the only term i can come up with. But everyone talks about it in such idealist matter. They always talk individuals or idealism or whatever. The closest to material analysis is “the proletariat’s material conditions are closer aligned to the imperialist Bourgeoisie.” But that doesn’t just apply to Americans.
But, look. Why doesn’t any other people get treated this way? Genuinely. I don’t think Stalin sat down and said “well Germany lost a major world war and went through multiple economic crises and still hasn’t had a socialist revolution. So obviously it’s a lost cause, kill all of them.” Japan and South Korea are never treated this way, despite being very arguably in similar boats. And if we want to talk about material conditions, what about Indonesia or Iran or Cambodia or so many other nations? They haven’t had socialist revolutions yet despite their material conditions, so does that mean these people are useless treatlerites too?
I’m sorry. I know, again, we’re in the imperial core, we’re privileged. I don’t know what part of my mentally ill brain it is, but it’s just that the logic completely fails for me and that gives me anxiety, because reasons. Not just that, but the actual oppression of the communist and self determination movements here are also just ignored.
I’m not an American with your material privelege, and I don’t have any money either, and yet I’m trying. I have a moral conviction to do so, my close friend in America has as well. We are trying because we see it as a just and only plausable cause that will benefit everyone eventually. You can dismiss it as unserious all you want, but my lived experiences, faith and personal analysis led me to this belief.
And this is why you were called unserious. Because you answered “literally how can I do this?” with “idk, i can’t either, but you suck if you don’t anyway because of faith”
Please stop being a clown and putting words in my mouth, this is not a good look for you. Do you want me to hold your hand and explain how to do this? Find like minded people and mutually support each other, work and slowly but surely gather money for it like I do, or try using strategies immigrants use. At least try to understand me.
I didn’t put any words in your mouth. You said you’re “trying” which is another way of saying you can’t. You then literally said that “faith” led you to this belief, which is that not moving is completely morally unacceptable (even though you yourself have not managed it)
Your beliefs are self-contradictory and thus deeply unserious.
If you in turn was serious about this conversation, you’d notice that faith was one of three reasons that led me to my belief. And I will clarify that my initial “trying” comment was made because I thought that your question was antagonistic and rhetorical, I’m sorry for the confusion. And I’m not sure how me being on my active journey to achieve my goal somehow invalidates my views just because I haven’t achieved it yet.
i did leave, and had to come back because other countries also have immigration laws.
now i’m extremely lucky not to be homeless. i would leave again if i could but i can’t even afford rent consistently. It is not feasible or possible for everyone to leave, and that’s true of every country except a couple of those euro microstates where everyone actually is wealthy.
I’m sorry this happened to you. I’m not dismissing that people can have difficult situations, this is why I’m not bashing anyone for not packing their things immediately and leaving this once. All I’m saying is that it should be a goal, how long does it take to reach that goal is another topic. We seemingly have an understanding here, so I’m not sure why you called it unserious.