A significant many conservatives love Ai cause it’ll replace immigrants but a lot of us see the writing on the wall the tech is overhyped garbage that’ll crash soon in the next few years and cause the economy to go down with it, however, let’s say that Ai and robotics manage to reach a level of automation where they’re able to replace human workers, obviously this would have negative implications for people that want to migrate but it would also hurt the countries citizens since they will and probably are, going to be forced out of the earning a wage, leaving entire portions of society jobless I don’t know which scenario is worse a recession unlike anything we’ve seen or a society where most people are jobless either way conservatives are dooming their country and people just to “own” brown people it’s almost comedic
Well, that’s all great for us as Marxists. The greater the class contradictions, the greater chance we have of overturning capitalism. We should not oppose the development of new technologies because it increases class contradictions. If we seek to destroy or halt the development of new technologies because it increases class contradictions, then that is ultimately a reactionary position, as it is the desire to hold back historical progress for the purpose of making capitalism more stable and keeping it around longer, which is obviously the opposite of what we want as Marxists. We should always support the development of the forces of production while also trying to show to the working class how they would benefit more if these new technologies were placed into public hands. The more technologically developed a capitalist society is, the stronger our case will be. If this automation you are predicting comes about, then the job for us Marxists will be far easier.
Are you claiming that libs dont overwhelmingly support these same measures?
I don’t think that is what OP meant, I imagine when they said “conservatives” they meant everyone who supports the continuation of the status quo.
Their vernacular has previously made me suspicious of their political orientation, judging by their banned status I believe I was correctly cautious.
It’d be a lot funnier if I didn’t live in it
Yeah it’s painful and scary, and messy to boot, but! when I’m able to detach properly, it’s funny AF!
The problem isn’t just the automation aspect. In Western countries, the power that AI consumes is significant and growing. In the US the demand for AI power may exceed the growth of the power grid next year.
Unlike China, who’s growing their power capacity by 16-18% a year, the US is increasing its power generation at ~4%/year.
Share prices can go up and down like a yo-yo because it’s all imaginary value but your power bills are a different story.
Difference between the irrationality of private individuals acting according to their own interests vs the rationality of economic planning according to a common plan. Tech billionaires with the most influence all just seek to increase their own profits without any overall plan of how to actually expand the AI infrastructure, so they rush entirely in one direction, which we are already seeing shortages in some areas because of this. China has the benefit that they can make sure things are developing more uniformly at a reasonable rate because there is planning authorities that can coordinate enterprises together with a nation-wide vision.
Tech billionaires with the most influence all just seek to increase their own profits without any overall plan of how to actually expand the AI infrastructure
They have a plan. It is to serve their class interests: siphon off resources through ownership of wealth. The wealth in this case is owning the data centers that provide the AI that automates the work. Charging rent for using AI means they control the infrastructure. Works out for them (not for the users).
They have the closed source models trained on data that they collected by vacuuming up what was online. Those models are so large that you need NVIDIA GPUs to run them at those big data centers (which also need the supporting power grid).
This is just the next big tech money grab. It was cryptocurrency before, and before that it was social media platforms. Somewhere in between there was 3D TV and augmented reality glasses.
AI bros are trying to scam the end user. They should only collect this rent if the tool saves people some money. If it costs you more to use than the work you avoided paying for, then there’s no benefit to paying for AI. They need user engagement right now to lock you in, so you can’t get off the hype train.
I’m not convinced as you are that US ruling class has that much collective solidarity with one another. As I see it, most are just seeking their own self-interest, which is leading to clashes because their interests are not aligning.
You can see this for example how there is a DRAM shortage because the AI companies are using too much of it, but then the DRAM companies also refuse to increase DRAM production because they are afraid the AI bubble will pop leaving them with a surplus that will drive down prices. The DRAM companies are not on board with the AI companies and their interests are conflicting. The AI companies also have more influence in the government right now because the US thinks it is in an “AI race,” and so even energy companies are being overlooked, so AI is getting more investments than energy causing energy to lag behind as well.
This to me doesn’t seem like a coherent plan by the bourgeoisie to work in class solidarity with one another towards the same goal. It seems to me like every individual big tech corporation is seeking to maximize their own profits independently of one another, which is leading to a disorganized mess without a coherent vision.
There’s enough of a collaboration between big tech companies like Oracle, Microsoft, NVIDIA, OpenAI etc. to call it a collective action. You don’t need unanimous consent from every capitalist.
Just because DRAM is one sector where they haven’t got a commitment, doesn’t mean they aren’t going to try automate away office work and charge rent to businesses.
And potable water consumption! And heat and other exhaust!
I genuinely think the pursuit of total automation by the capitalist class will be the final straw for workers in the West. We’ve been deprived of everything but our livelihoods at this point; take that away and what left do we have to lose? I don’t believe UBI will be enough to stop the inevitable from happening, either.
This is not going to work out for the bougies as much as they may believe otherwise.
Total automation would be a sure path to a proletarian revolution in the imperial core.
Maybe that is why usa is pushing for a wars that it can’t win without masive human cost? The bougies want to do to usa what was done to ukraine, complete demographic collapse, but they want to have robots to fill the gap.
That would make sense but I don’t think robotics and AI are advanced enough to completely replace human labor just yet. Give a decade or two and that might change but right now I think they’re just trying to destabilize yet another successful socialist project and steal its resources. I don’t believe the conspiracy goes any deeper than that.
I don’t think robotics and AI are advanced enough to completely replace human labor just yet
You and I know that but the failsons throwing the family fortune at AI tech bros don’t. “AGI is like 3 months away if you give me another brillion bro I swear. You’ll have yer sexbot by next christmas dude, I just need another cash injection.”
Fair. If the average capitalist were capable of engaging with reality they’d all be Engels.
This is not going to work out for the bougies as much as they may believe otherwise.
Have you heard of a manga called “Blame!”?
There’s a city the size of a giant planet that is constantly expanding in layers built by robots called Builders. An AI called the Safeguard has devolved into killing all humans because they don’t have the right access privileges. This leads to a huge amount of empty architecture with no one about.
We’ll get there someday.
The most glaring contradiction here being that these LLMs are trained in the third world for shitty pay to begin with.
Couple that with the exponential cost of resources for how they currently work & it will create an acute crisis shortly down the line. They just can’t sustain the resources of powering it while also trying to wedge it into every single crevice of their current infrastructure lol
