Wow what an effective and well-thought out rebuttal. What a normal reaction to seeing text with sources that argues against what one believes. This is definitely not the product of the mind of a heavily propagandised individual.
Oh hey, it’s the cheap retort that puts words in my mouth. These students let Nazis out of prison and started a fascist bloodbath, does that sound particularly pro-democracy to you or do you agree that letting Nazis out of prison and lynching Jewish people and communists is in fact fascist? The students weren’t Nazis, no, but the Nazis they let out were and the violence that ensued with student participation was certainly fascist in character.
Are you denying that this happened outright, or do you just think it doesn’t matter?
My point is that, for you, it’s more important to brush the real character of events under the rug as long as it lets you get a cheap shot in. You post constantly in a way that deliberately shit-stirs, and in the face of hard evidence against your claims, you retreat to insults and libel. Truth is secondary to you treating political activism like a team sport, and you use any narrative you can as a club against those not on your team regardless of the truth of the narrative.
I’m more than willing to recognize the advances and achievements of groups I disagree with theoretically, such as the Naxalites, Zapatistas, CNT-FAI, and more. I can also recognize errors committed by those I ideologically am more aligned with, such as China’s lacking queer rights, the fact that the USSR originally participated in the establishment of Israel, or China backing Cambodia under Pol Pot against Vietnam. Are you capable of doing the same?
Thank you, I appreciate the sentiment, but I do think it worth directly responding to cowardly callouts with additional context. They can check for themselves that I do upvote some of what they say and post, because some of it is correct, but then they’ll do something like this and destroy their own legitimacy. It stokes more slapfighting than anything else, and I’m starting to think that that’s the point. This kind of wrecker behavior needs to be called out by users if mods and admins won’t take action.
(Also, not sure if OP’s pronouns are listed, so I’d use a more gender-neutral term if I were you.)
You’ve got no legitimacy in my eyes. You constantly defend genocide and other vile acts.
Like I’ve said before, I put you on the same level as Nazis because you are red fash. It’s not wrecker, I love non-ML communists.
It’s the defending killing children, it’s the defending Russia invading Ukraine, it’s the pretending there’s no genocides, etc.
Just for once, can you admit Russia is the imperialist invader who started the conflict and is solely responsible for what’s going on in Ukraine? One act of fucking humanity, without trying to spin this into “well you see the cia…”?
Do you genuinely not know what it is? Because this feels like a very bad faith question considering you seem to be politically aware in your comment history.
Rather than waste my time with that, I’ll leave this here and you an educate yourself.
I never once defended genocide. I deny the existence of things like white genocide in South Africa, or the idea that the naturally caused famine in the 1930s in the USSR was intentionally inflicted by the soviets and this a genocide, sure, but that doesn’t make me a “defender of genocide.”
If you actually viewed me the same way you view Nazis, you’d call me a “pro-democracy protestor,” as we can see by you deliberately minimizing fascist pograms right in this very thread, committed by literal Hungarian Nazis. No, I’m a communist, with views in line with the vast majority of mainstream communist parties around the world. Call communists red fash all you want, but your insults hold no water when you refuse to acknowledge that there were Nazis in Hungary deliberately enabled by the “pro-democracy protestors” that lynched thousands of Jews and communists.
Even in this very thread, you can’t help yourself but pull a whataboutism on me, instead of acknowledging your mistakes and apoligizing for minimizing the Holocaust, you try to flip it around and give a purity test to me. I’ve already explained the Russo-Ukrainian war to you, and I’ll do it again:
The west installed a far-right Banderite government in Kiev, following the Banderites committing the Maidan Massacre. As a consequence, Donetsk and Luhansk seceded, in addition to the systemic repression of the Russian language instated by the new government in Kiev.
The west treated Ukraine like it does Israel, as a far-right, millitarized state to secure the west’s interests. After a decade of civil war, with Kiev murdering 13,000+ civilians and 2 failed Minsk Agreements meant to stop the civil war, Kiev ammassed a large amount of troops, preparing to invade the Donbass region and end the civil war on their terms. Donetsk and Luhansk reached out to Russia, Russia finally recognized the DPR and LPR, and went into Eastern Ukraine in order to annex the 4 oblasts, which voted to join the Russian Federation. The entire war was avoidable. It wasn’t a random decision, nor is the Russian Federation trying to conquer all of Europe or even all of Ukraine.
This is the standard communist take on the war, repeated by the various communist orgs, because pretending Russia just randomly decided to invade Ukraine and start a campaign of conquest is just Marvel logic.
See, I can at least be honest, and don’t have to resort to whataboutism to avoid taking responsibility for defending pograms against Jews and communists. Stop acting like a wrecker. I do not care if I have any legitimacy in your eyes, because when you’re this obstinate in the face of hard evidence you just ignore it and deflect. You ruin your own legitimacy by doing so.
You deny and excuse genocide all the time, ex. Uighur/Tibet. Yeah yeah Zenz or they were feudal so it’s okay. I’ve heard the propaganda a million times over the decades.
Today it is Putin who invaded Russia, it is Putin who is stealing Ukrainian children, it is Putin killing the working class people in Ukraine, it is Putin who denies the existence of Ukrainian people’s cultural identity. Putin is the sole aggressor, end of story.
That is imperialism and genocide, yet you would rather blame the west. You are so ideologically driven to support your team, that you make these vile takes.
Please just block me and stop commenting on my posts. Because I will never block you and allow your hate to go unnoticed. I will only shit on you at every chance I am given.
Deceptichum is a fash wrecker who spends all his time shitstirring about communists yet is perfectly happy with zionist-run snark comms. feel free to correct me @Deceptichum@quokk.au
Like I said, I deny fabricated genocides. If you already know about Zenz’ role in fabricating genocide, why use this like a club? It’s the same as Saddam’s WMD or “white genocide” in South Africa, atrocity propaganda meant to manufacture consent for whatever it is the empire does to these countries.
History did not start in 2022. If you refuse to see the way history unfolds, and instead see it through a Marvel-esque lens of good vs. evil, then you’ll never be able to understand where things are going or what we need to do to make a better future. The best thing for the Ukrainian working classes that are being sent to die for US capitalists and the compradors they put in Kiev is to cede the 4 oblasts that already want to be a part of the Russian Federation anyways.
The one here that is blinded by ideology is yourself. Because you only see history through the lens of “good vs. evil,” you can’t admit that you’re calling Hungarian Nazis “pro-democracy protestors,” and you’re encouraging Ukraine to fight to the last Ukrainian, even when the working class in western Ukraine wants to stop fighting and the people in Eastern Ukraine want to join the Russian Federation.
No, I’m not going to block you, if you start provacative shit like calling me out on a post I’m going to defend myself and counter. I’m not going to let your hate go unnoticed, but instead of resorting to petty insults I’ll actually bring sources for all to see, as I always have with you.
Excuse me? A tankie?
Sadly I’m not delusional, I disagree with Cowbee on a whole lot of stuff, between you and me, you are also wasting your time because cowbee is deep down the ideological shitter.
As for my own positions, I wasn’t aware they mattered to the point I was making, but to clarify then for you, I’m an egoist, which is the philosophy that stirner put forward, we did have a Lemmy community but it’s quite hard to get the tribe off reddit, so I haven’t been able to maintain it.
Egoism, to give you some context is a foundational idea within anarchism, and for those of us who care about detail, it’s the defining difference between us and the ancaps.
Well good to hear you’re not a genocide excusing imperialist loving piece of shit like CB! I don’t engage with them in good faith, because they do not act in good faith.
Oh hey, its the clown who thinks students are all Nazis.
Go defend some murder and genocide elsewhere redfash.
Wow what an effective and well-thought out rebuttal. What a normal reaction to seeing text with sources that argues against what one believes. This is definitely not the product of the mind of a heavily propagandised individual.
Oh hey, it’s the cheap retort that puts words in my mouth. These students let Nazis out of prison and started a fascist bloodbath, does that sound particularly pro-democracy to you or do you agree that letting Nazis out of prison and lynching Jewish people and communists is in fact fascist? The students weren’t Nazis, no, but the Nazis they let out were and the violence that ensued with student participation was certainly fascist in character.
Are you denying that this happened outright, or do you just think it doesn’t matter?
My point is that, for you, it’s more important to brush the real character of events under the rug as long as it lets you get a cheap shot in. You post constantly in a way that deliberately shit-stirs, and in the face of hard evidence against your claims, you retreat to insults and libel. Truth is secondary to you treating political activism like a team sport, and you use any narrative you can as a club against those not on your team regardless of the truth of the narrative.
I’m more than willing to recognize the advances and achievements of groups I disagree with theoretically, such as the Naxalites, Zapatistas, CNT-FAI, and more. I can also recognize errors committed by those I ideologically am more aligned with, such as China’s lacking queer rights, the fact that the USSR originally participated in the establishment of Israel, or China backing Cambodia under Pol Pot against Vietnam. Are you capable of doing the same?
Cowbee, I like you, please stop wasting your time on them.
Thank you, I appreciate the sentiment, but I do think it worth directly responding to cowardly callouts with additional context. They can check for themselves that I do upvote some of what they say and post, because some of it is correct, but then they’ll do something like this and destroy their own legitimacy. It stokes more slapfighting than anything else, and I’m starting to think that that’s the point. This kind of wrecker behavior needs to be called out by users if mods and admins won’t take action.
(Also, not sure if OP’s pronouns are listed, so I’d use a more gender-neutral term if I were you.)
You’ve got no legitimacy in my eyes. You constantly defend genocide and other vile acts.
Like I’ve said before, I put you on the same level as Nazis because you are red fash. It’s not wrecker, I love non-ML communists.
It’s the defending killing children, it’s the defending Russia invading Ukraine, it’s the pretending there’s no genocides, etc.
Just for once, can you admit Russia is the imperialist invader who started the conflict and is solely responsible for what’s going on in Ukraine? One act of fucking humanity, without trying to spin this into “well you see the cia…”?
Hello, can you define imperialism? Thank you, have a nice day
Do you genuinely not know what it is? Because this feels like a very bad faith question considering you seem to be politically aware in your comment history.
Rather than waste my time with that, I’ll leave this here and you an educate yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism#Russia_under_Putin
I never once defended genocide. I deny the existence of things like white genocide in South Africa, or the idea that the naturally caused famine in the 1930s in the USSR was intentionally inflicted by the soviets and this a genocide, sure, but that doesn’t make me a “defender of genocide.”
If you actually viewed me the same way you view Nazis, you’d call me a “pro-democracy protestor,” as we can see by you deliberately minimizing fascist pograms right in this very thread, committed by literal Hungarian Nazis. No, I’m a communist, with views in line with the vast majority of mainstream communist parties around the world. Call communists red fash all you want, but your insults hold no water when you refuse to acknowledge that there were Nazis in Hungary deliberately enabled by the “pro-democracy protestors” that lynched thousands of Jews and communists.
Even in this very thread, you can’t help yourself but pull a whataboutism on me, instead of acknowledging your mistakes and apoligizing for minimizing the Holocaust, you try to flip it around and give a purity test to me. I’ve already explained the Russo-Ukrainian war to you, and I’ll do it again:
The west installed a far-right Banderite government in Kiev, following the Banderites committing the Maidan Massacre. As a consequence, Donetsk and Luhansk seceded, in addition to the systemic repression of the Russian language instated by the new government in Kiev.
The west treated Ukraine like it does Israel, as a far-right, millitarized state to secure the west’s interests. After a decade of civil war, with Kiev murdering 13,000+ civilians and 2 failed Minsk Agreements meant to stop the civil war, Kiev ammassed a large amount of troops, preparing to invade the Donbass region and end the civil war on their terms. Donetsk and Luhansk reached out to Russia, Russia finally recognized the DPR and LPR, and went into Eastern Ukraine in order to annex the 4 oblasts, which voted to join the Russian Federation. The entire war was avoidable. It wasn’t a random decision, nor is the Russian Federation trying to conquer all of Europe or even all of Ukraine.
This is the standard communist take on the war, repeated by the various communist orgs, because pretending Russia just randomly decided to invade Ukraine and start a campaign of conquest is just Marvel logic.
See, I can at least be honest, and don’t have to resort to whataboutism to avoid taking responsibility for defending pograms against Jews and communists. Stop acting like a wrecker. I do not care if I have any legitimacy in your eyes, because when you’re this obstinate in the face of hard evidence you just ignore it and deflect. You ruin your own legitimacy by doing so.
You deny and excuse genocide all the time, ex. Uighur/Tibet. Yeah yeah Zenz or they were feudal so it’s okay. I’ve heard the propaganda a million times over the decades.
Today it is Putin who invaded Russia, it is Putin who is stealing Ukrainian children, it is Putin killing the working class people in Ukraine, it is Putin who denies the existence of Ukrainian people’s cultural identity. Putin is the sole aggressor, end of story.
That is imperialism and genocide, yet you would rather blame the west. You are so ideologically driven to support your team, that you make these vile takes.
Please just block me and stop commenting on my posts. Because I will never block you and allow your hate to go unnoticed. I will only shit on you at every chance I am given.
Deceptichum is a fash wrecker who spends all his time shitstirring about communists yet is perfectly happy with zionist-run snark comms. feel free to correct me @Deceptichum@quokk.au
Like I said, I deny fabricated genocides. If you already know about Zenz’ role in fabricating genocide, why use this like a club? It’s the same as Saddam’s WMD or “white genocide” in South Africa, atrocity propaganda meant to manufacture consent for whatever it is the empire does to these countries.
History did not start in 2022. If you refuse to see the way history unfolds, and instead see it through a Marvel-esque lens of good vs. evil, then you’ll never be able to understand where things are going or what we need to do to make a better future. The best thing for the Ukrainian working classes that are being sent to die for US capitalists and the compradors they put in Kiev is to cede the 4 oblasts that already want to be a part of the Russian Federation anyways.
The one here that is blinded by ideology is yourself. Because you only see history through the lens of “good vs. evil,” you can’t admit that you’re calling Hungarian Nazis “pro-democracy protestors,” and you’re encouraging Ukraine to fight to the last Ukrainian, even when the working class in western Ukraine wants to stop fighting and the people in Eastern Ukraine want to join the Russian Federation.
No, I’m not going to block you, if you start provacative shit like calling me out on a post I’m going to defend myself and counter. I’m not going to let your hate go unnoticed, but instead of resorting to petty insults I’ll actually bring sources for all to see, as I always have with you.
Okay 🤡🐝, keep excusing genocide.
Fucking red fash.
Finally a smart tankie.
Stop coming into anarchist spaces with your bad red fash takes.
I’m never going to read your walls of propaganda garbage that promotes killing students.
Excuse me? A tankie? Sadly I’m not delusional, I disagree with Cowbee on a whole lot of stuff, between you and me, you are also wasting your time because cowbee is deep down the ideological shitter.
As for my own positions, I wasn’t aware they mattered to the point I was making, but to clarify then for you, I’m an egoist, which is the philosophy that stirner put forward, we did have a Lemmy community but it’s quite hard to get the tribe off reddit, so I haven’t been able to maintain it.
Egoism, to give you some context is a foundational idea within anarchism, and for those of us who care about detail, it’s the defining difference between us and the ancaps.
I’m fully aware of Stirner, and frequently post about him on !philosophymemes@quokk.au
Well good to hear you’re not a genocide excusing imperialist loving piece of shit like CB! I don’t engage with them in good faith, because they do not act in good faith.