• Deceptichum@quokk.auOP
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    9 days ago

    You deny and excuse genocide all the time, ex. Uighur/Tibet. Yeah yeah Zenz or they were feudal so it’s okay. I’ve heard the propaganda a million times over the decades.

    Today it is Putin who invaded Russia, it is Putin who is stealing Ukrainian children, it is Putin killing the working class people in Ukraine, it is Putin who denies the existence of Ukrainian people’s cultural identity. Putin is the sole aggressor, end of story.

    That is imperialism and genocide, yet you would rather blame the west. You are so ideologically driven to support your team, that you make these vile takes.

    Please just block me and stop commenting on my posts. Because I will never block you and allow your hate to go unnoticed. I will only shit on you at every chance I am given.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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      9 days ago

      Like I said, I deny fabricated genocides. If you already know about Zenz’ role in fabricating genocide, why use this like a club? It’s the same as Saddam’s WMD or “white genocide” in South Africa, atrocity propaganda meant to manufacture consent for whatever it is the empire does to these countries.

      History did not start in 2022. If you refuse to see the way history unfolds, and instead see it through a Marvel-esque lens of good vs. evil, then you’ll never be able to understand where things are going or what we need to do to make a better future. The best thing for the Ukrainian working classes that are being sent to die for US capitalists and the compradors they put in Kiev is to cede the 4 oblasts that already want to be a part of the Russian Federation anyways.

      The one here that is blinded by ideology is yourself. Because you only see history through the lens of “good vs. evil,” you can’t admit that you’re calling Hungarian Nazis “pro-democracy protestors,” and you’re encouraging Ukraine to fight to the last Ukrainian, even when the working class in western Ukraine wants to stop fighting and the people in Eastern Ukraine want to join the Russian Federation.

      No, I’m not going to block you, if you start provacative shit like calling me out on a post I’m going to defend myself and counter. I’m not going to let your hate go unnoticed, but instead of resorting to petty insults I’ll actually bring sources for all to see, as I always have with you.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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          9 days ago

          Not excusing genocide, unlike yourself, who thinks it’s all for the sake of democracy when Hungarian Nazis lynch Jews and communists.

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            9 days ago

            Wowee I sure love rolling tanks up and firing on masses of students and workers!

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              There you go again, just smol bean “students and workers” and no fascists, absolutely none/s

              "The special correspondent of the Yugoslav paper, Politika, (Nov. 13, 1956) describing the events of those days, said that the homes of Communists were marked with a white cross and those of Jews with a black cross, to serve as signs for the extermination squads. “There is no longer any room for doubt,” said the Yugoslav reporter, “it is an example of classic Hungarian fascism and of White Terror. The information,” continued this writer, "coming from the provinces tells how in certain places Communists were having their eyes put out, their ears cut off, and that they were being killed in the most terrible ways."

              "But the forces of reaction were rapidly consolidating their power and pushing forward on the top levels, while in the streets the blood of scores of massacred Communists, Jews, and progressives was flowing."

              “Some of the reports reaching Warsaw from Budapest today caused considerable concern. These reports told of massacres of Communists and Jews by what were described as 'Fascist elements’ …” (N.Y. Times, Nov. 1. 1956)

              “The evidence is conclusive that the entry of Soviet troops into Budapest stopped the execution of scores, perhaps thousands of Jews, for by the end of October and early November, anti-Semtic pogroms - hallmark of unbridled fascistic terror - were making their appearance, after an absence of some ten years, within Hungary.”

              "A correspondent of the Israeli newspaper Maariv (Tel Aviv) reported:

              During the uprising a number of former Nazis were released from prison and other former Nazis came to Hungary from Salzburg . . . I met them at the border . . . I saw anti-Semitic posters in Budapest . . . On the walls, street lights, streetcars, you saw inscriptions reading: “Down with Jew Gero!” “Down with Jew Rakosi!” or just simply “down with the Jews!”

              Leading rabbinical circles in New York received a cable early in November from corresponding circles in Vienna that “Jewish blood is being shed by the rebels in Hungary.” Very much later-in February, 1957-the World Jewish Congress reported that “anti-Semitic excesses occurred in more than twenty villages and smaller provincial towns during the October-November revolt.” This occurred, according to this very conservative body, because “fascist and anti-Semitic groups had apparently seized the opportunity, presented by the absence of a central authority, to come to the surface.” Many among the Jewish refugees from Hungary, the report continued, had fled from this anti-Semitic pogrom-like atmosphere (N.Y. Times, Feb. 15, 1957). This confirmed the earlier report made by the British Rabbi, R. Pozner, who, after touring refugee camps, declared that “the majority of Jews who left Hungary did so for fear of the Hungarians and not the Russians.” The Paris Jewish newspaper, Naye Presse, asserted that Jewish refugees in France claimed quite generally that Soviet soldiers had saved their lives."

              The Truth About Hungary by Herbert Aptheker