I never once defended genocide. I deny the existence of things like white genocide in South Africa, or the idea that the naturally caused famine in the 1930s in the USSR was intentionally inflicted by the soviets and this a genocide, sure, but that doesn’t make me a “defender of genocide.”
If you actually viewed me the same way you view Nazis, you’d call me a “pro-democracy protestor,” as we can see by you deliberately minimizing fascist pograms right in this very thread, committed by literal Hungarian Nazis. No, I’m a communist, with views in line with the vast majority of mainstream communist parties around the world. Call communists red fash all you want, but your insults hold no water when you refuse to acknowledge that there were Nazis in Hungary deliberately enabled by the “pro-democracy protestors” that lynched thousands of Jews and communists.
Even in this very thread, you can’t help yourself but pull a whataboutism on me, instead of acknowledging your mistakes and apoligizing for minimizing the Holocaust, you try to flip it around and give a purity test to me. I’ve already explained the Russo-Ukrainian war to you, and I’ll do it again:
The west installed a far-right Banderite government in Kiev, following the Banderites committing the Maidan Massacre. As a consequence, Donetsk and Luhansk seceded, in addition to the systemic repression of the Russian language instated by the new government in Kiev.
The west treated Ukraine like it does Israel, as a far-right, millitarized state to secure the west’s interests. After a decade of civil war, with Kiev murdering 13,000+ civilians and 2 failed Minsk Agreements meant to stop the civil war, Kiev ammassed a large amount of troops, preparing to invade the Donbass region and end the civil war on their terms. Donetsk and Luhansk reached out to Russia, Russia finally recognized the DPR and LPR, and went into Eastern Ukraine in order to annex the 4 oblasts, which voted to join the Russian Federation. The entire war was avoidable. It wasn’t a random decision, nor is the Russian Federation trying to conquer all of Europe or even all of Ukraine.
This is the standard communist take on the war, repeated by the various communist orgs, because pretending Russia just randomly decided to invade Ukraine and start a campaign of conquest is just Marvel logic.
See, I can at least be honest, and don’t have to resort to whataboutism to avoid taking responsibility for defending pograms against Jews and communists. Stop acting like a wrecker. I do not care if I have any legitimacy in your eyes, because when you’re this obstinate in the face of hard evidence you just ignore it and deflect. You ruin your own legitimacy by doing so.
You deny and excuse genocide all the time, ex. Uighur/Tibet. Yeah yeah Zenz or they were feudal so it’s okay. I’ve heard the propaganda a million times over the decades.
Today it is Putin who invaded Russia, it is Putin who is stealing Ukrainian children, it is Putin killing the working class people in Ukraine, it is Putin who denies the existence of Ukrainian people’s cultural identity. Putin is the sole aggressor, end of story.
That is imperialism and genocide, yet you would rather blame the west. You are so ideologically driven to support your team, that you make these vile takes.
Please just block me and stop commenting on my posts. Because I will never block you and allow your hate to go unnoticed. I will only shit on you at every chance I am given.
Deceptichum is a fash wrecker who spends all his time shitstirring about communists yet is perfectly happy with zionist-run snark comms. feel free to correct me @Deceptichum@quokk.au
Like I said, I deny fabricated genocides. If you already know about Zenz’ role in fabricating genocide, why use this like a club? It’s the same as Saddam’s WMD or “white genocide” in South Africa, atrocity propaganda meant to manufacture consent for whatever it is the empire does to these countries.
History did not start in 2022. If you refuse to see the way history unfolds, and instead see it through a Marvel-esque lens of good vs. evil, then you’ll never be able to understand where things are going or what we need to do to make a better future. The best thing for the Ukrainian working classes that are being sent to die for US capitalists and the compradors they put in Kiev is to cede the 4 oblasts that already want to be a part of the Russian Federation anyways.
The one here that is blinded by ideology is yourself. Because you only see history through the lens of “good vs. evil,” you can’t admit that you’re calling Hungarian Nazis “pro-democracy protestors,” and you’re encouraging Ukraine to fight to the last Ukrainian, even when the working class in western Ukraine wants to stop fighting and the people in Eastern Ukraine want to join the Russian Federation.
No, I’m not going to block you, if you start provacative shit like calling me out on a post I’m going to defend myself and counter. I’m not going to let your hate go unnoticed, but instead of resorting to petty insults I’ll actually bring sources for all to see, as I always have with you.
There you go again, just smol bean “students and workers” and no fascists, absolutely none/s
"The special correspondent of the Yugoslav paper, Politika, (Nov. 13, 1956) describing the events of those days, said that the homes of Communists were marked with a white cross and those of Jews with a black cross, to serve as signs for the extermination squads. “There is no longer any room for doubt,” said the Yugoslav reporter, “it is an example of classic Hungarian fascism and of White Terror. The information,” continued this writer, "coming from the provinces tells how in certain places Communists were having their eyes put out, their ears cut off, and that they were being killed in the most terrible ways."
"But the forces of reaction were rapidly consolidating their power and pushing forward on the top levels, while in the streets the blood of scores of massacred Communists, Jews, and progressives was flowing."
“Some of the reports reaching Warsaw from Budapest today caused considerable concern. These reports told of massacres of Communists and Jews by what were described as 'Fascist elements’ …” (N.Y. Times, Nov. 1. 1956)
“The evidence is conclusive that the entry of Soviet troops into Budapest stopped the execution of scores, perhaps thousands of Jews, for by the end of October and early November, anti-Semtic pogroms - hallmark of unbridled fascistic terror - were making their appearance, after an absence of some ten years, within Hungary.”
"A correspondent of the Israeli newspaper Maariv (Tel Aviv) reported:
During the uprising a number of former Nazis were released from prison and other former Nazis came to Hungary from Salzburg . . . I met them at the border . . . I saw anti-Semitic posters in Budapest . . . On the walls, street lights, streetcars, you saw inscriptions reading: “Down with Jew Gero!” “Down with Jew Rakosi!” or just simply “down with the Jews!”
Leading rabbinical circles in New York received a cable early in November from corresponding circles in Vienna that “Jewish blood is being shed by the rebels in Hungary.” Very much later-in February, 1957-the World Jewish Congress reported that “anti-Semitic excesses occurred in more than twenty villages and smaller provincial towns during the October-November revolt.” This occurred, according to this very conservative body, because “fascist and anti-Semitic groups had apparently seized the opportunity, presented by the absence of a central authority, to come to the surface.” Many among the Jewish refugees from Hungary, the report continued, had fled from this anti-Semitic pogrom-like atmosphere (N.Y. Times, Feb. 15, 1957). This confirmed the earlier report made by the British Rabbi, R. Pozner, who, after touring refugee camps, declared that “the majority of Jews who left Hungary did so for fear of the Hungarians and not the Russians.” The Paris Jewish newspaper, Naye Presse, asserted that Jewish refugees in France claimed quite generally that Soviet soldiers had saved their lives."
I never once defended genocide. I deny the existence of things like white genocide in South Africa, or the idea that the naturally caused famine in the 1930s in the USSR was intentionally inflicted by the soviets and this a genocide, sure, but that doesn’t make me a “defender of genocide.”
If you actually viewed me the same way you view Nazis, you’d call me a “pro-democracy protestor,” as we can see by you deliberately minimizing fascist pograms right in this very thread, committed by literal Hungarian Nazis. No, I’m a communist, with views in line with the vast majority of mainstream communist parties around the world. Call communists red fash all you want, but your insults hold no water when you refuse to acknowledge that there were Nazis in Hungary deliberately enabled by the “pro-democracy protestors” that lynched thousands of Jews and communists.
Even in this very thread, you can’t help yourself but pull a whataboutism on me, instead of acknowledging your mistakes and apoligizing for minimizing the Holocaust, you try to flip it around and give a purity test to me. I’ve already explained the Russo-Ukrainian war to you, and I’ll do it again:
The west installed a far-right Banderite government in Kiev, following the Banderites committing the Maidan Massacre. As a consequence, Donetsk and Luhansk seceded, in addition to the systemic repression of the Russian language instated by the new government in Kiev.
The west treated Ukraine like it does Israel, as a far-right, millitarized state to secure the west’s interests. After a decade of civil war, with Kiev murdering 13,000+ civilians and 2 failed Minsk Agreements meant to stop the civil war, Kiev ammassed a large amount of troops, preparing to invade the Donbass region and end the civil war on their terms. Donetsk and Luhansk reached out to Russia, Russia finally recognized the DPR and LPR, and went into Eastern Ukraine in order to annex the 4 oblasts, which voted to join the Russian Federation. The entire war was avoidable. It wasn’t a random decision, nor is the Russian Federation trying to conquer all of Europe or even all of Ukraine.
This is the standard communist take on the war, repeated by the various communist orgs, because pretending Russia just randomly decided to invade Ukraine and start a campaign of conquest is just Marvel logic.
See, I can at least be honest, and don’t have to resort to whataboutism to avoid taking responsibility for defending pograms against Jews and communists. Stop acting like a wrecker. I do not care if I have any legitimacy in your eyes, because when you’re this obstinate in the face of hard evidence you just ignore it and deflect. You ruin your own legitimacy by doing so.
You deny and excuse genocide all the time, ex. Uighur/Tibet. Yeah yeah Zenz or they were feudal so it’s okay. I’ve heard the propaganda a million times over the decades.
Today it is Putin who invaded Russia, it is Putin who is stealing Ukrainian children, it is Putin killing the working class people in Ukraine, it is Putin who denies the existence of Ukrainian people’s cultural identity. Putin is the sole aggressor, end of story.
That is imperialism and genocide, yet you would rather blame the west. You are so ideologically driven to support your team, that you make these vile takes.
Please just block me and stop commenting on my posts. Because I will never block you and allow your hate to go unnoticed. I will only shit on you at every chance I am given.
Deceptichum is a fash wrecker who spends all his time shitstirring about communists yet is perfectly happy with zionist-run snark comms. feel free to correct me @Deceptichum@quokk.au
Like I said, I deny fabricated genocides. If you already know about Zenz’ role in fabricating genocide, why use this like a club? It’s the same as Saddam’s WMD or “white genocide” in South Africa, atrocity propaganda meant to manufacture consent for whatever it is the empire does to these countries.
History did not start in 2022. If you refuse to see the way history unfolds, and instead see it through a Marvel-esque lens of good vs. evil, then you’ll never be able to understand where things are going or what we need to do to make a better future. The best thing for the Ukrainian working classes that are being sent to die for US capitalists and the compradors they put in Kiev is to cede the 4 oblasts that already want to be a part of the Russian Federation anyways.
The one here that is blinded by ideology is yourself. Because you only see history through the lens of “good vs. evil,” you can’t admit that you’re calling Hungarian Nazis “pro-democracy protestors,” and you’re encouraging Ukraine to fight to the last Ukrainian, even when the working class in western Ukraine wants to stop fighting and the people in Eastern Ukraine want to join the Russian Federation.
No, I’m not going to block you, if you start provacative shit like calling me out on a post I’m going to defend myself and counter. I’m not going to let your hate go unnoticed, but instead of resorting to petty insults I’ll actually bring sources for all to see, as I always have with you.
Okay 🤡🐝, keep excusing genocide.
Fucking red fash.
Not excusing genocide, unlike yourself, who thinks it’s all for the sake of democracy when Hungarian Nazis lynch Jews and communists.
Wowee I sure love rolling tanks up and firing on masses of students and workers!
There you go again, just smol bean “students and workers” and no fascists, absolutely none/s
The Truth About Hungary by Herbert Aptheker