I was just perusing the modlog when I noticed something interesting. Apparently posting news about Gaza/Palestine is not allowed on !worldnews@sh.itjust.works. I decided to check the side bar and didn’t see anything. The only pinned post also does not indicate that this is not allowed
edit: the mod in question is @Eyekaytee@aussie.zone . sorry for not originally tagging. i hadn’t realized it was a rule that this must be done. i thought it seemed inappropriate since i was trying to initiate a conversation about a community’s rules and culture rather than start drama about an individual
I’m locking this post. This discussion has run out of its course and this comm is not the place to argue politics. Take it elsewhere please.
sh.itjust.works being reactionary, kinda typical.
Is just that comm shitty or should the instance be avoided too?
the instance is pretty shitty too
The instance is a Nazi bar, the two biggest comms are circlejerks for anti-communism and pro-western imperialism. There are some good users on occasion, but the instance itself is very reactionary.
Damn, I just picked an instance with an interesting name back when Reddit died. I didn’t need this baggage
Never too late!
Anti-tankies ≠ anti-communism
“Tankie” is just a pejorative for communists, it lets anti-communists pretend that they aren’t actually anti-communist when in reality they would oppose “tankies” such as Nelson Mandela, W.E.B Dubois, etc that support(ed) socialist states.
Tankie isn’t a pejorative for communists, it’s a pejorative for Marxist-Leninists aka those who put anti-West sentiments above concern for the working class. Upholding a “if the US says it’s bad we should support it” mindset
Marxist-Leninists make up the vast majority of practicing communists, historically and currently. Further, the term is also applied to anarchists, Marxists in general, etc, by anyone wishing to invoke the image of “commie but just like McCarthy described them.”
This is brushing aside your horribly incorrect description of Marxism-Leninism, of course.
Further, the term is also applied to anarchists,
Notice how you said “is applied” not “you apply”. You’re attacking a straw man buddy. There are anarchists on MWoG, and this discussion is about how MWoG users use the term.
horribly incorrect description of Marxism-Leninism
It’s pretty concise and sums up the typical discourse you guys have
I don’t call people “tankies,” because I’m not an anti-communist, be they anarchists or not. Not sure what this point is.
Secondly, no, it’s an awful summation of Marxism-Leninism, and you know that.
tankiejerking: not anti-communism, yet overwhelmingly populated with anticommunists
Ayyy my buddy diva is back. Wonder how you always manage to find my comments deep in these threads.
To your point, MWoG users are anti- authoritarian. This necessitates anti-tankieism and anti-Marxism-Leninism.
MWoG users are anti- authoritarian.
lmao
Wonder how you always manage to find my comments deep in these threads.
So you’re not going to refute my point then?
I laughed at your starting premise, some of the heaviest users of the place are arch-nafoists
My community, !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works, which Cowbee loathes – Is not anti-communism and not pro-imperialism. We are anti-imperialism, unlike Cowbee, who defends Chinese Imperialism.
It documents hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse.
It’s definitionally an anti-communist circlejerk, that’s its entire point. I am a communist, so I do oppose your anti-communist stalker-farm. There’s constant dogwhistling, defense of zionism, transphobia, etc from that cesspool of a comm.
There are communists within !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works and the community itself allows communists and communist theory. It’s a diverse community where people are free to discuss different topics, unlike your spaces, which regularly censor dissent and criticism.
And you are not a communist, Cowbee, you’re a tankie, you’ve said so yourself.
But tell me, where is this supposed dogwhistling, where is this defence of Israel’s actions, where is this transphobia? I’ll look into it for you
The community of MWoG exists purely to attack communists. I have always said I’m a communist, you can read the screengrab yourself to see:
In that “tankie” is just a pejorative for a communist, yes. I’m a Marxist-Leninist, and I uphold AES as legitimate.
Workers of the world, unite! ☭
For those who don’t know what a “tankie” is, it’s essentially a pejorative for “communist.” I recommend the Prolewiki article on “Tankies,” as well as Nia Frome’s essay “Tankies.”
As for transphobia, here’s your server admin pushing transphobic conspiracy theories in your comm:
As for Zionism, here are your own posts and comments:
I don’t know why I’m responding because I feel you act in extremely bad faith. MoG is a terrible comm, and I think that is why you are seeing transphobia upvoted. I think people see “China bad lol” and are frothing at the mouth upvoting it before even considering wtf he said after it. To say that’s the ENTIRE INSTANCE is so extremely bad faith, or maybe you truly believe that because you haven’t seen any of the normal people on the instance.
Also bad faith to say “tankie” = communist/socialist. That wiki page is also bad faith, unless I have just somehow managed to see it used differently 100/100 times I’ve seen it used as a perjorative. Tankie implies defending Russia and China/ Soviet Union heavily, NOT just being a communist/socialist. Even the Wikipedia page says this… You can disagree but actually ask people if that’s what they mean. If someone says the wikipedia definition and you interpret it as something else without clarifying, you are very likely misinterpreting them. Very bad faith to say “it’s just being communist/socialist bro they just hate good ideologies bro” like cmon be an adult. “Tankie” does not just mean communist. Disgraceful misinforming people just to try and win an argument.
To clarify, I stated that the instance is a Nazi bar, as in there are some massive zionists, fascists, etc. allowed to roam freely, but that this doesn’t describe the entire instance:
The instance is a Nazi bar, the two biggest comms are circlejerks for anti-communism and pro-western imperialism. There are some good users on occasion, but the instance itself is very reactionary.
Secondly, the word “tankie” in its social use is as an anti-communist pejorative. It’s a strawman with ready-made characteristics built up by anti-communists to avoid actually having to address the arguments of communists. The wikipedia page isn’t maintained by a communist, it’s maintained primarily by liberals, they aren’t looking at it from the communist perspective.
Neither link I sourced was bad-faith, either, unless you mean the communist perspective on a pejorative for communists is inherently bad-faith. It doesn’t matter what an individual specifically means by using “tankie,” in its social practice it just means “communist, but I don’t like it.”
You’re in a tankie instance, Cowbee; you hang out with tankies and repeat tankie talking points. You are a tankie and you’re not fooling anyone with your disingenuous fantasies about being a moralist, if you were, prove it now by criticising the Russian government, or better yet, Chinese imperialism.
You won’t, because you are a tankie.
As for Imaqtpie, I do not approve of him. I have quite the turbulent history with him.
I’ve also been more supportive of trans-rights and gender recognition than you have, Cowbee.
Oh, and even more, the lemmy developers, admins of the instance you use, lemmy.ml, are also transphobic, which is what imaqtpie was agreeing with, funnily enough.
That didn’t work out too well for you lol
“Tankie” is just a pejorative for communist, it isn’t an ideology. Call me “tankie” all you want, but at the end of the day I read Marxist-Leninist theory and volunteer for a Marxist-Leninist org that has stances in line with the rest of Marxist-Leninist organizations. You can’t claim to not be an anti-communist, you maintain an anti-communist comm and oppose communism.
Secondly, showing a handful of times you’ve spoken about sex and gender doesn’t mean you’re more supportive, especially since I have already explained that I disagree firmly with Nutomic:
Communists tend to be the most supportive of trans liberation, I recommend reading Feinberg’s Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink or Blue as well as Nia Frome’s The Problem of Recognition in Transitional States, or Sympathy for the Monster. None of this is to defend Nutomic’s views as stated here, I firmly disagree with them. However, the idea that communists are supposed to be transphobic is just not true, generally. Cuba even has one of the world’s most progressive family codes, and the GDR was one of the world’s most progressive states towards the end of its existence. Marxism provides a framework that enables liberation of all oppressed peoples.
The Russian government is a homophobic dictatorship of capital. China isn’t imperialist, it doesn’t run its economy based on international plunder, export of capital, nor is it under the control of a financial oligarchy.
Firstly, stop using my fucking community as a bludgeon against people you don’t like.
Secondly, this is transphobic you numbskull.
Thirdly, y’all are acting like fucking children, Grow Up!
Oh! I know that community! I didn’t know you ran it. You’re a dipshit
I don’t think your pet nazi learned their lesson from the one week slap on the wrist
They don’t make such comments within my community, which was one of the conditions for their unbanning. I take hate-speech very seriously.
clearly not that seriously, that’s why you are so comfortable hanging out with racists and nazis
Ik2 the racist and Zionists comm? Not surprised.
It’s a major bugbear of mine that people do this, but because their display name is significantly different from their username in a non-obvious way, you haven’t actually tagged them. Neither has @goat@sh.itjust.works.
To tag ikt, you have to do @Eyekaytee@aussie.zone.
That’s actually the fault of the modlog. It should not be showing a display name instead of their username.
sh.itjust.works is a Nazi bar. There are some good users, but they have the most zionists, pro-imperialist users, mods, admins, etc.
PTB.
It’s amazing how goat is just here to get attention while saying it’s to clear their name but only makes themselves look worse
Keeps posting their own ass, people call them out, posts ass more. Rinse and repeat.
Them making up rules in this comm then being upset no one wanted to use them wasn’t on bingo card.
Yeah that’s embarrassing. Trying to get this post removed by making up rules, because they are being exposed for their bad faith arguments again and again.
Yep, they revel in the drama. Judge me by my biggest haters.
Honestly wonder if mwog was made specifically because of a slight they received on a grad comm or simply because they love attention
The latter, goat’s a cryptofascist.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
-Jean-Paul Sartre
I’m not a cryptofascist.
If anyone’s a cryptofascist, it’s you, defending Russia and supporting Putin’s goals of reimplementing the USSR through imperialism and the war against Ukraine. You’re even doing so in this very thread.
If Putin actually wanted to reimplement the USSR, then it would already be socialist. You’re absolutely a cryptofascist, you cape for Israel, attack communism and communists, and host a Nazi-bar.
So why are you defending Russia if Putin is supposedly not wanting to reimplement the USSR? (He is)
Link me to where I have attacked communists, since I’ve defended communism, much to the dismay of my community
But you’re not a communist, Cowbee, you’re an authoritarian tankie.
MoG was created to highlight hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse.
Extremism should always be called out wherever it may be
So a snark space?
We don’t interfere with threads or users and have strict rules against it.
It’s more of a snark space that the one you call snark spaces
Typical Liberal hellhole, they constantly hit left and demand everyone give in to fascism and then claim somehow everyone else is dividing the left
Yep, Eugene V. Debs’ Ghost even pointed out how someone linked evidence of goat’s transphobia, then goat went and edited it away to hide it.
It was transphobia to be more exact. @princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone gave a link to Goat being transphobic while claiming to stand for trans people. Goat edited the link after months, after she posted the evidence.
Ah, my bad, thanks for the correction! I’ll fix my comment.
I find personally people who are happy to see Palestinians die generally arent to fond of any other minorities (shocker)
Punch left, cater to the right. Then wonder why the left doesn’t trust them, as they vote in fascists with a better PR campaign.
Well fuck
Ah, this is Cowbee
He is openly a tankie, who defends Imperialist China, actively calls users critical of the CCP racist, and defends dictatorships like North Korea
You can read a lot of his takes here, he is an extremely hateful person who spreads misinformation and tankie slop.
I’m a communist, and I support socialist states. I don’t hide my positions, I have always been honest and forthright with them. You’re a zionist stalker that revels in drama farming.
China isn’t imperialist as it isn’t driven by international extraction or export of capital, nor is it dominated by a financial oligarchy. The user I reported for being racist wasn’t criticizing the CPC, they made a racist rant about how Chinese people live in filth, eat fake meat and fake tofu, can’t build anything, and more. The moderator of that comm sided with the racist that sounds identical to how the French spoke of Africans during colonialism.
Ah, why is it you defend Russia? Russia is an oligarchy that finds its riches in oil and fossil fuels. They’re not at all socialist.
I don’t think Russia has a good economic model, nor would I want to live there. I do think it’s forced strategically into trade with socialist countries, which is why it has a good relationship with countries like Cuba, and is working against western imperialism, which is the largest obstacle in the way of socialism worldwide. Additionally, support for socialism is rising over time:
So no, I don’t somehow think Russia is socialist still, but at the moment socialist countries benefit massively from Russian trade and from temporary alliance against the west.
Oh, Cowbee, you and your statistics! How disingenuous you are.
For starters, that sample size is minuscule at only 1000.
And unsurprisingly, more countries think the dissolution was a bad thing than a good thing. Of course, Russia thinks the USSR was good, they were the oppressors. Life under the Soviet Union was grossly oppressive for the peasants, and especially if your country was the victim of Russian imperialism. You couldn’t speak ill of the leaders, you had zero representation, and you faced the risk of your livelihood being ripped from you at any point. Your indigenous culture was even suppressed because it was considered anti-Soviet behaviour. There you go defending imperialism again, Cowbee.
And mind you, this is a survey before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine!
You’re right, that data is from before the Russo-Ukrainian war. It’s even higher now.
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The expansion and astronomical growth of grassroot movements like the Inmortal Regiment. This movement grew so large that plenty of countries around the world organized a similar march. It started small until it grew in a international movement.
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The imperialist siege intensified and forced Russia to look elsewhere which lead to their economy into allying with plenty of the global south. This allowed more cultural/ideological exchanges with China , Belarus, Cuba, Vietnam and the DPRK.
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There are now Russian grassroot movements that boost programs such Youth exchange with Cuba and the DPRK.
Further, the USSR wasn’t imperialist. It had a publicly owned economy, and didn’t base its economy on international extraction. The peasantry saw dramatic material improvements, it was the kulaks, bourgeois farmers, that were oppressed. For the peasantry, they saw a doubling of life expectancy, massive development, free and high quality education and healthcare, a tripling of literacy rates, and more. National identities were preserved and strengthened, while trying to develop an internationalist “soviet” identity compatible with all.
Overall, the majority regret the dissolution of the USSR.
What are these sources, my man? You gonna link to RT News next? Am I gonna need an antivirus to check these out?
And again, no shit, Russia would want more soviet union, they were oppressors and imperialists. And the majority of countries do not regret the dissolution. And hey, glad you mentioned the DPRK. You must hate North Korean soldiers fighting for Russia against Ukraine, yeah?
Again with this stat? Maybe you should look for polls on how many Africans want to be back under colonial rule and see how wack this is
Are you still doing the thing where you equate two entirely different and incompatible things like doing Mad Libs is acceptable logic? Like, someone could say “solar energy is a good thing” and your rhetorical response would be “what if I replaced solar energy with ‘racism?’ Then wouldn’t you be saying racism is good?”
My point is that Russia has a rising socialist sympathy among the populace, which is true. We can point to their reasons being that capitalism has, by and large, been devastating for Russians, while socialism worked well. Colonialism, on the other hand, has been disastrous for its underdevelopment of Africa, and many of these liberated countries are under neocolonialism or imperialism to this day.
You really need to check your rhetoric, you were called out for this faulty “Mad Libs” logic already.
You were legitimately celebrating the hamas attack on Israel just the other day.
In that thread you literally used the Hamas red arrow that is taken from the Nazis.
It’s weird how yall point the finger at each other when you’re all gross as fuck.
Yes, I support the victims of genocide resisting said genocide. It is right to resist, I would not shed tears for Holocaust victims attacking Nazis.
The Red Triangle comes from the 1917 flag of the Arab Revolt, not the Nazis
Yeah and the swastika comes from Sanskrit but now that the Nazis attached themselves to it there is another meaning.
It’s wild how dog whistles sound loud when you listen for them.
This might come as a surprise to you, but Palestinians are Arab. Palestine is fighting a war of national liberation, they aren’t a cabal of anti-semetic Nazis.
Wait wait wait you mean the Semitic people aren’t anti semitic?
This is huge news!
That said I’m saying you are overtly anti-Semitic.
Being anti-zionist isn’t being anti-semitic.
We agree on something, but from my perspective you’ve well crossed the line on a number of occasions.
Anyways, I hope you live the life you deserve.
Why did Hamas attack Israel ?
If we gonna go harvest post history and change the subject: Why did Hamas attack Israel ?
I am no Zionist nor am I a Hamas apologist.
Hamas isn’t helping the Palestinian people with their actions but their actions are understandable and I don’t think they’re necessarily without warrant.
Edit: but I guess everyone else believes Hamas has improved the lives of the Palestinian people over the last couple years?
Palestine has the right to defend itself.
Idk anything about the dude you’re replying to but…
I don’t think the priority should be calling out has or whatever but it’s okay to acknowledge that Palestine has a right to defend themselves, that Oct 7th is practically inevitable when you have an apartheid… and also think Hamas sucks they were given money by Israel for a reason.
Similarly, it is wrong to commit a genocide
And yet no one has done anything to stop Israel as they’re committing it
That a scummy move from the mod. I made a new community where both siding occupation and genocide comments get removed !apologiafreenews@lemmy.world
The two mods are too very known genocide supporters so no surprise here.
Oh of course it’s another goat comm
What’s a goat comm?
Goat from ShitJustWorks, someone who is “highly interested in extremism” to use their own words. MeanwhileOnGrad is their main claim to fame here, which is an attempt to document the things Tankies talk about.
It has been a host to users using Nazi dog whistles. Goat was on Voat, the Nazi clone of reddit made when Reddit banned some alt-rignt community, and got banned from it twice.
Also tried to force guro (gore art for sexual stimulation/pleasure) onto some communities.
So goat is a person. A shite person, but… I see.
Very.
Oh shit, didn’t know about the guro thing. Unsurprising though.
Wrong again. As I explained earlier, it was going to be a medical community for surgeries and trauma
I see you make lots of claims about this, but have yet to see any receipts about these “Dog whistles” on MWoG
Why would they post the dog whistles on the terrible mwog comm?
The Claim: “There’s Nazi/Racist dog whistles posted on MWoG”
Me: “I have yet to see the evidence of The Claim, despite seeing The Claim numerous times, please provide your evidence”
You: trolling attempt
Meanwhile the person I asked for evidence of their claim: crickets
You: trolling attempt
Oh we’re going this way, got it.
You saying you are not seeing it both does not mean it isn’t there and slightly tells on yourself
lmao classic
Goat just keep revealing themselves and acts like everyone else is the weird one.
Oh what a shock, it’s Goat, the known tolerator of Nazis until they get called out on it too often.
The other mod is as bad if not worse
Wild but unsurprising goat only cares about clearing their good name over how shitty the only other mod is
goat loves to lie, it’s like their primary method of engagement
And then say us documenting their actions (that they then go back and edit) are the real liars.
Screenshot Goat, they’ll remove their posts to make you seem like you lied.
they’ll remove their posts to make you seem like you lied.
it’s that or straight up gaslighting. When I called out the widespread use of ‘degenerate’ on meanwhile on grad being used to dehumanize whatever ‘tankies’ that they were sneering at, I provided 3 examples of different users doing that; one of those users in a direct reply to goat.
none of the posts in question got removed
goat has since said that ‘oh it was only one user’ - never mind that it was only the most egregious user out of all the examples I happened to provide (not an exhaustive list).
Also what dehumanizing language have we used on him? I’d love to see the full context.
I linked the post; according to goat ‘a lot’ of context is coming soon™
From the context that exists it sounds like the dehumanizing language is calling them fascists? I would love to have them elaborate so it can be addressed rather than vaguely gesturing.
But he got banned for a week after months is dog whistles! That’s totally being fair! Just accept months of insults and dehumanizing.
No you don’t understand he find extremism fascinating on both sides
But only criticises one, strangely enough
“I hate all extremism, I just only publicly declare my hatred for one and don’t mind it when the others join me doing it.”
the politics commuity is equally as problematic, with regards to calling out jewish backers of israel, getting called nazi and antisemite, referring to as the “1930s” nazi speak. also i notice its ragebait reflects r/politics alot (blame this democrat),etc.
Oh you’re that nutcase raging we didn’t ban someone for having an opinion you didn’t like? You literally claimed their post was a crime against humanity…
Oh you’re that nutcase who consider victim blaming an opinion that should be respected
Context for any other person interested : someone justified the mistreatment of the flotilla activists getting abused by saying the activists knew what would happen to them and that they are only doing a publicity stunt and the mods refused to remove it
Which two? There’s three mods on !worldnews@sh.itjust.works
Also I’d recommend the following comms as being pretty good:
I don’t fully promise they’re good as I don’t usually track this stuff super closely
/edit/: added the quokk.au community since people here seem to like it
There is 2 mod accounts belonging to the same person
From globalnews
This type of comment is why I decided to create a new community for news. Instead of criticizing Trump, some people still cry about democrats losing the election. Those type of comments would directly be removed from my community and after 3 deleted comments it’s a ban
Let me get this straight. Do you want a news community where nobody can criticise the DNC for the terrible policy decisions that lost them the last election, and which they seem determined to carry through into the next election? I mean, have any Democrats have even admitted Israel is committing genocide in Gaza yet? The official party line continues to be full throated support for Zionism from both sides of the aisle.
If you’re planning to go down that road you should just call it DNC/Hasbara approved news or something, so folks know what they are getting.
There’s a reason leftists don’t bang on about Trump all the time. It’s because he’s a lost cause. He’s a literal fascist. Nobody on Lemmy needs convincing Trump is the worst US President in history. Imo convincing Dems they should lurch left instead of right (for once) could help win them the next election. But they just don’t want to listen, don’t want to change, and seem intent on ontracising the left instead of taking on board perfectly legitimate criticisms of the party’s leadership and policies.
I was not clear, the thing that would not be allowed in this screenshot would be the person defending Harris. The first comment i removed was someone defending Harris in relation to the genocide. I allow opinions, i don’t allow people defending objective terrible things like arming israel and support the genocide and settler colonialiam
Ok maybe I misunderstood your comment then.
Just from an outside perspective:
you’re playing the same game die a different side. What kind of consistent ruleset warrants a delete and ban for this?
Power tripping for the right cause is still a powertrip.
Edit: I just realize that just leaving it like this reads purely confrontational which was not my original inten:
You can do better! If you want to have this kind of moderation that is actually fine in my book: as long as it’s transparent and consistent.
The exact rule must depend on the answer to what kind of community you want to build. Openly progressive vs openly debating vs aggressively neutral for example.
I know you can do it, because anyone who has the energy to take on this endeavor has the potential to grow ❤️.
Why should anybody tolerate people defending settler colonialism , occupation, genocide etc?
Because anything can be framed negative and without transparency about your personal ruleset on what those empty words mean it’s just Fox News brabble.
It’s not about tolerating intolerance, not at all. It’s about transparent consistency. That’s what preventing the powertrip: rules that you create AND THEN OBEY. Doesn’t matter what those rules are. But if you’re definition of occupation suddenly matches Medicaid I’d the mrdown fan club then you need to support people discussing it.
That’s the whole difference.
Btw your sentence a bit changed is what the trump goons actually use at the moment: “why should anyone tolerate criminals?”. And those fuckers just declared anything they don’t like “illegal”.
That’s what I’m asking: that everyone has the space to grow. That’s why I recommend you to create transparent rules that you obey yourself: to not become like those shitheads. Because they are full of people absolutely sure if themselves with no way to reflect, no way to think.
Actually it is you who use trump and maga rhetoric. Trump and maga are champions of claiming to be for freedom and speech yet censor other.
Trump definition of criminals is so ridiculous. Israel is objectively supporting genocide and settler colonialism we have ton of idf whistleblower, human right reports including israeli ones , isrseli leaders genocidal statements. Same apply to russia
I’m biased towards !world@quokk.au
Off topic, but why the heck can’t I see !worldnews@sh.itjust.works? The instance and community aren’t blocked or filtered for me, and I can load other communities like !funny@sh.itjust.works. But from here, I can’t see it at all. If I try directly, it just says “Error”.
Works fine from sopuli.
Yeah it’s weird, maybe it’s .zip specific
I’m on .zip too, error here as well
Instances are able to block a specific community on another instance without defederating entirely.
The zionist and US regime rats infiltrate everything.
Death to the IDF! Free Palestine
