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Cloudflare PR. Fuck them. Blocking VPNs from accessing websites is very open web of you.
Cloudflare blocks VPNs at the request of whoever is running the server. There are tons of websites running on Cloudflare that work with VPNs.
There are also many Lemmy instances that are intentionally blocking VPNs because they have to to stay afloat.
Exactly. My employer uses Akamai, which is larger than Cloudflare. Akamai provides the ability to block traffic from Tor, traffic from VPNs, traffic from any countries you desire, and so on. They also provide managed lists of countries listed in thing like ITAR so you can easily block them if you want.
For what it’s worth when you set up your site on cloudflare you get to choose how strict you want security to be and what URLs it applies to, or just disable it and use it only as a CDN. Or even disable routing entirely and use it only as your DNS.
It would be nice if they were more clear that enabling some features might block legitimate users though.
I’m using a VPN with my cloudflare reverse proxies right now. That blocking is configured by the website owners, not Cloudflare.
What about servo?
Perhaps Servo isn’t apolitical enough. 🥹
Remember, technology is political and our major technology-related problems are political, not technological. We wouldn’t be building alternative browsing engines if Chromium was a community-built project, unaffiliated with an ad company.
E: FWIW, this comment suggest the initial political Ladybird snafu may have been remediated.
I think that kinda weird and bad statement from the ladybird lead makes way more sense when you realize that his first language is german.
German, like other gendered languages, uses the male gender for an unknown person, using a genderless pronoun like “they” in german is a deliberate political stance that would prompt debate and is unusual and, frankly, weird, since the male pronoun is used as a neutral one.
Given that he apologized and changed it to they later, and no other incident of the sort happened since, I personally am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
The ladybird contributing guidelines currently read:
Use gender-neutral pronouns, except when referring to a specific person.
i take less issue with him using gendered pronouns by default than i do with him being overly dismissive of someone trying to adjust the language to be more inclusive.
Just remember that from his perspective, you are arguing against grammatical rules that are at the core of his communication experience due to his first language being German.‘so perhaps his initial reaction was confusion because he didn’t understand the angle - he thought he was being inclusive? Maybe?
I dunno I’m probably playin devil’s advocate without all the information here; I’ve just been resisting making jokes connecting grammatical pedantry to Germany the whole time.
Pretty much yeah, he thought he was already being inclusive, and I don’t blame him for doubling down initially given how awful that github thread was
It’s actually a very contentious grammatical issue in Germany from what I have been told by a German friend. That there is definitely a contingency of people pushing for more gender neutral language and a large amount of pushback from those who think the entire idea is absurd because of how gendered the language is.
I can see a bit of both sides of the argument. It’s important to make people feel welcomed and not like being a male is the default for everything. On the other hand, language evolves often very slowly and you can’t just force people to change the language entirely overnight. It does sound like much of the pushback is less political in nature and more grammatical as adding neutral phrases to a gendered language becomes quickly a complex task with complex new words. However, some of the pushback is also political in nature, so it’s hard to gauge whether the Ladybird situation was truly political or more grammatical at it’s core.
If it’s written in German, I’d agree. In English, no he is just wrong. But perhaps is English just sucks, I don’t know and I don’t care to find out.
You might be right. I’m looking at that as a more general issue of what “no politics” implies. E.g. can we use that to predict how the people working on it would handle the project affiliation in the future. That is, for example are they willing to let it be taken over by a large tech corporation? They’re already using the weakest of licences - BSD. The whole point of us supporting another browsing engine by contributing to it, developing for it, or using it is so that we escape the browser-under-ad-company problem. If make Ladybird the next Chromium competitor and the team gets jobs at say Microsoft, then we’d end up back to square one.
It was pointed out and could have been corrected easily, nobody was accusing them of doing it intentionally. Instead they doubled down, which then did show their views and caused the controversy.
He may rejected the pr initially, but he later apologized and changed it. Again, I don’t see the issue, my original comment explains why that doesn’t seem that bad in my view.
After a large backlash, yes.
It’s all resolved now and I do support the project, we need another browser engine. But to not see the issue at all…? An issue resolved doesn’t mean the issue didn’t exist.
Is it surprising to anyone?
They doubled down and showed their true colors. AFAIK they never tried to improve the situation after that.
They don’t appear to be sponsoring that one
fuck cloud flare
Isn’t Ladybird adopting Swift as their preferred language? I’m slightly confused on why Ladybird over Servo. But I am sure people at Cloudflare have more knowledge than me. So I guess there is a good reason.
Yep, they’re moving from C++ to swift.
How does that work?
Working with raw buffers and memory in Swift is a frustrating experience.
I’m a big fan of Swift, but when I drop to systems level I don’t feel it’s a good fit.
Here’s the dev’s post: https://x.com/awesomekling/status/1822236888188498031
(Sorry for Xitter link)
Awesome to hear!
The best way to test a language for a project is definitely this bake-off method, so I do trust they did their due diligence.
Cloudflare doesnt want an open web, wtf… More ridiculous fake posturing from big tech.
I think they do
If everything is big tech and walled gardens what it’s cloud flares role?
Why does CloudFlare not want an open web? I don’t know why they care. Can someone please explain? Is it because they sometimes block VPNs?
Idk, but a lot of Lemmy instances also don’t play nice with VPNs. Some of them are using Cloudflare, but idk if all the ones blocking VPNs are the ones using Cloudflare. But bot traffic is a big problem, and Cloudflare poses a solution to that. It’s not the ony solution, but it is a pretty good one.
You can’t really have a free social media network and not have it block VPNs. At least not with large public instances.
Cloudflare alternatives anyone?
I’d say Bunny CDN is pretty good, but here’s a more complete list: https://european-alternatives.eu/alternative-to/cloudflare
Omarchy mentioned!!
