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The map is misleading. The other “non-West” countries are leading the pack. We humans, from space, must look like starlings.
Like only the West has gone Fascist…
People are collectively losing their minds if their think any western country is anywhere near fascism. Have you lived in Russia or North Korea?
Western nations are losing the psyops war, which is what you see in a lot of countries.
The main problem is that our representatives and elected officials are just as likely to believe emotional propaganda as any regular person.
This is why we need better public education, so the general population has better critical thinking.
We’ve normalized mass surveillance. Local police have full, warrantless access to your travel habits from licence plate cameras. I can buy all of the data on you and find your political ideology. People are prosecuted for their political beliefs and actions every day.
Even if you, a private citizen, buys someone data to intimidate them, it just amounts to stalking and harassment. That’s not fascism.
If you’re saying that the government is outsourcing stalking and harassment of private citizens via these means, then that’s an interesting take. Personally, I think a government body may not necessarily have anything to do with such a thing, but private entities with resources could do it. Like some crazed hedge fund dude targeting anti-genocide protesters. These private entities may even get government contracts, so who knows.
In U.S. history civil rights activists were straight up assassinated, and so were U.S. presidents who got too uppity as far as someone else was concerned. Environmental or social justice activists were always targeted or tracked by govt. agencies. The regular person who holds spicy political takes on any ideology isn’t a concern unless they’re in the news or getting attention.
I am not naive about the state of things, but I also don’t think they’re any worse than they’ve been before in terms of govt control over activism. The main problem now is psyops at scale. Countries like China and Russia safeguard themselves from it by having a homogenous culture, which is antithetical to democracies.
Tbh it’s not mass surveillance that adds chilling effects to activist action, but the constant seizing of power and resources by oligarchs. I think in this instance people who want change should become a part of the system, ie the government or its agencies.
If we fool ourselves into thinking the U.S. or any other western state is as bad as current fascists regimes, we’ve lost the psyops war. Can things be better, yes. There’s no way to get that without organizing for change, and creating strong local communities.
Without reference to other nations and countries, what elements of fascism do you believe are missing that makes the label inaccurate or inappropriate
I’m pretty sure moving into a administration who plans on mass deportations requiring holding camps, literal work camps for the mentally ill, and the degradation of regulations/rights are all clear signs we are moving in that direction.
I mean come on man, Trump couldn’t have his first pick for AG be approved because he said “We will drag the bodies of our political opponents through the streets” he said that, and that was Trump’s first choice for the most powerful prosecutor in the country.
When the fascists show us who they are WE SHOULD BELIEVE THEM!
In the Romanian presidential elections we just had, we have a fascist extreme right-wing candidate who got 1st place (note that we have a 2 round election system and this was only the first round). He appeared out of nowhere with a TikTok campaign, he didn’t have a traditional ad campaign, he didn’t participate in any debates, a lot of people who don’t use TikTok haven’t even heard about him. We will know in 2 weeks if we become fascist or not.
There are 2 problems. First is the hybrid war going on. The western world needs to do better. Ban TikTok and take drastic measures to limit the spread of misinformation and propaganda on social media.
The second big problem is that western leaders are ignoring the real problems affecting average people. The out of control immigration (the problem isn’t with the people immigrating, but with a system unable to integrate them into the rest of the society), rising costs, unaffordable housing, huge tax burden are real problems that aren’t being addressed. People are rightfully angry with the current leaders and are looking for alternatives. But most people aren’t very smart or care enough about politics, so they are easy prey to propaganda and extremist groups that are calling out these problems.
A hopeful/sustainable country can tolerate immigration. Higher birth rates requires affordability of having children, and immigration fills the lower ranks of the power/labour hierarchy while permitting more affordability to natives who might have better access to education.
Societies that corruptly subjugate themselves to a hedgemon that inflicts war and climate destruction against people it teaches you to hate, but who also emigrate to your society, creates conflict that will deflect from the hate your hegemon wants your natives to internalize.
When a society does not feel being on the verge of collapse, investing in education and immigration is worth it. Future benefits of growth and prosperity will result. Right, center, left governments everywhere are corruptly managing collapse. The only countries doing well economically are those who are not subjecting themselves to US hegemony, and pursuing independence. Most of these countries get labeled as fascist by the deeply subjugated and their hedgemon.
The propaganda of hate is global, even if targeted domestically. The propaganda of hedgemonic subjugation is also global, but the collapsing corruption that is supported, helps hate win.
When your society has chosen total subjugated marriage/alliance to the US, Trump comes along to tell you what a worthless undevoted parasite you are, and the likely response from your leaders will be to destroy your country further, and enable fascism to gain traction, even if the fascist wing can distract from the collapsing subjugation to continue the subjugation.
Mexican here. Last month, a reporter known for being critical of the government was fired live in the middle of his segment. We’re definitely going fascist.
Yeah, this is a strangely euro-centric viewing. It needs to include so many more places. Russia is a big one that’s missing, for another example, and there are a ton more. We’re in bad economic times, which is where Fascists thrive. On the good side, leftists can also take advantage of it to actually help people if they succeed.
We’re only in bad economic time because the wealthy elites and corporation gobbled up everything away from the public, which makes it even more sad.
Yes, but it’s bad for everyone but them. The reason doesn’t really matter. It’s the same as always. It’s mostly the same conditions that led to the last rise in fascism.
No, the reason absolutely does matter. If we were all suffering because of a global drought, that would be entirely different than all of us starving and going homeless at the peak of human production.
Sure, but the reason is always the same. It’s rich people taking everything. There’s way more than enough food and water for everyone, and that’ll be true for a very long time.
Among the ones not going fascist north Korea, Russia, Eritrea, China, Syria, Iran…
Among the ones going fascist New Zealand, Canada, Switzerland, Ireland, Denmark……
Among the ones not going fascist north Korea, Russia, Eritrea, China, Syria, Iran…
They’re not going, because they’re already there.
Just more anti-western propaganda, welcome to Lemmy.
technically , you are not going anywhere once you arrived at the destination
You’re correct, it’s innaccurate to not portray the entire world as descending into fascism, as has always been predicted on any path that embraces capitalism.
India and China are missing. Japan is pretty fascist too… at least when compared to European “fascist” countries marked in the map.
Apart from that… the amount of fascism is too damn high!
Is Japan “going” or just sitting roughly where it’s been for decades? I don’t know enough about Japanese politics but it doesn’t seem from my perspective like it moves fast.
In my experience polite, but roughly as racist as the “old white racist/sexist man” - trope.
I think it’s still a lot like in the 80s. The golden era of Japan. Maybe this is related.
As they say, Japan has been living in the year 2000 since 1980
Thanks to putin and his psyops war
Its certainly a key part of it
Yeah, Greenland
Even Greenland, wtf?
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Canada’s not fascist yet. We’re electing our own Vance in a few months, so save your sympathy for us then.
Apparently the Corporation has been able to convince people - as they’ve tried from the start - that Hair Guy is somehow worse than them. They haven’t actually put forth a platform with any numbers or promises on it, but “hair guy bad” has finally found an audience so dumb to swallow it.
Please remove Quebec from that map, we’re definitely not going fascists!
I’m not sure I call banning hijabs in all public service roles in the name of “secularism” isn’t a great start…
The way you handled protesting truckers was definitely fascist
Ah yes, the truckers protesting any vaccination mesures during a pandemic, harrassing passers-by for wearing COVID masks, and calling for the dissolution of the government 4 months after the current government was re-elected are the TRUE victims of fascism.
Why would they remove Quebec? Quebec doesn’t matter here much more than the Bay Area, Catalonia, Sami land or Ulster.
Yah, la pur laine are known for their tolerance
I wish your neighbours were smarter ;(
Me too…
Australia is facist now?
Fuck guess I missed it, was outside all day too.
You guys are seriously arguing for a ministry of truth.
Eh, we find that out next year if the cookers are stupid enough to vote Dutto in.
Oh, they are.
It’s not just the cookers. It’s also the media illiterate and unengaged. I’m constantly shocked at how insular our population is. It feels like a ticking time bomb.
Greenland too? :(
Does Denmark know?
Someone should warn them
“Going”
Ah yes. The west. Famously known for being the most authoritarian of geopolitical regions.
In the memes defense you can’t be moving towards authoritarianism if you’re already there.
I mean…yes. But more often through colonial enterprises.
They said fascist, you can be authoritarian without being fascist.
How do you know Shrek isn’t portraying someone in the west asking the rest of the west to stop turning fascist?
If you want to play the fascism isn’t authoritarianism card then name a single state indicated in the meme that has taken up fascism as official policy.
Fascism is most definitely authoritarian.
Poo by any other name is still poo. Fascist principles can be seen to be taking root in many western countries. Do they label themselves fascist … well southern and eastern Europe seem to be starting to openly do that.
Regardless, both Italy and Spain seem to be highlighted in the meme soo … there’s two?
Both democracies btw
Both have taken up fascism as official policy in the past.
I wouldn’t say they’ve adopted a fascistic internal political system. Like they still have elections and aren’t led by a dictator. You can only be so ethno-nationalistic while remaining in the EU lol.
Yeah Giorgia Meloni and the Fratelli d’Italia sound pretty ethno-nationalistic to me …
Hear, hear. Let’s commit to fighting fascism as enthusiastically as Putin!
So, not particularly effectively and using it as an increasingly threadbare excuse for maintaining the status quo?
