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    And I keep saying that if stemming the bleeding is the best we can hope for, then that’s how democracy fails. Vote for the slightly-better candidate, by all means, that’s the best move in the here-and-now. But, unless we change the rules, it’s gonna be the same best move next time, too, and the patient only has so much blood.

    Morello makes a very Utilitarian argument. The trouble is that it works equally well when your choice is between Hitler, who wants to murder 5,000,000 people, and Hitler Lite, who wants to murder 4,999,995 people. It makes all the difference for those 5 people, and voting for Hitler Lite is the best move.

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        This cartoon symbolizes one election cycle. We can argue about how many people should be depicted on the siding, but since there are 16 people on the main line, the Utilitarian argument works even if there are up to 15. And that’s what’s been happening: Labor got tied to the tracks in the '70s with the election of Jimmy Carter. Poor people joined them with the election of Bill Clinton. Palestine as a whole got tied to the tracks next to them in 2024. And now, they’re flirting with adding trans people to the line-up. And, no, that does not obviate the fact that the Republicans are indeed worse.

        But that’s beside my point. This cartoon doesn’t depict the erosion of democracy and the crumbling of civil institutions. That can only go on for so long before the whole system fails.

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        My math is a little off, but can you remind me how many people died after 2018, again?

        I recall it was more than one. COVID alone, I think it was somewhere north of a million, in fact.

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          I purposely had the amount on the republican side get cut off. It could go on for millions if it needs to. It’s hard to pin down a number.

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            I noticed you also didn’t include all the dead Palestinians the democrats created! American lives are clearly the only important ones lol.

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              If we add the dead palestinians, the amount of deads on the republican’s track tripples while it would have been a lot less on the Democrat side.

              Thank you for proving why voting democrats is important, even though you are an 28 day old .ml account.

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                  I would hope so, we aren’t even in the second half of Trumps term since it started.

                  Otherwise that would mean Trump killed more than double of Biden. Which he certainly plans for.

                  So thanks again for proving their point, 28 day old .ml account.

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                    Sorry I should have been more clear for the slow kids in the class.

                    The rate at which the Palestinians are being killed has dramatically slowed under trump. The rate at which Palestinians were killed was much much higher under Joe bidens administration.

                    Hope this helped clear up the confusion! Let me know if you need any more help!

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              Hey look, the Palestinian card. And oh look, it’s the only card you’re holding in your hand. What a shocker.

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          Great, when are you going to start?

          I bet you won’t do shit. You just want Republicans to win so you can feel better about your own country.

          But even if fascism hell breaks loose in the US, it still wouldn’t come close to the shithole that is Russia. The KGB are just Nazis with a winter coat on.

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          Ha, you guys aren’t even denying to be tankies anymore.

          Imperialist Russia is on the brink of collapse, and I just bought a pop-corn machine.

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              Tankies. College kidz on drugs. Russian propaganda beneficiaries. Billionaire bots. Liberal-haters.

              They put on quite a show here and in a few other places near election times. Afterwards they tend to fizzle out. Or stick to one or two comms about gaming.

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                First, this user tells me that tankies are bad. Tankies think that the system is bad, and that its collapse is an unqualified good.

                Then, they switched to accelerationists. Accelerationists want the system to collapse hard and fast, so that people don’t acclimate to poorer conditions, and get motivated to fix the system.

                Meanwhile, I’m warning that the system is going to collapse, and we need to fix it ASAP.

                Hence, my question. What the heck is they on about, now?

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                    I prefer, “inconveniently correct.” I’ve learned from long experience on the Internet that if one is wrong, somebody will jump in and tell one all the ways. But if one is correct in an uncomfortable way, well, it short-circuits people’s brains, and they just start talking nonsense and throwing insults.

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            We’ve explained to you so many times how you’re using the word wrong and yet you continue to do it. You’re a terrible troll.

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            I’m not sure what definition of tankie you’re using, but it’s not one I’m familiar with. Unless, like terrorist, it’s lost all denotative meaning and is just an insult to be hurled at people you don’t like.

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      Gotta love a commie. They’re too far gone and can’t negotiate quite a simple system

      It’s almost like they have a different motive lol, idiots