i spent a 100 days building up my elo up to 600 (which is low), to end up loosing it all in like 3-4 days

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    I liked chess as a child, my dad has a really big chess board we’d play on. I’d play with people who barely know the game though.

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    I was always pretty bad at chess. I usually got “hyped” for 2-3 days (sometimes longer) and then immediately dropped it afterwards. My elo on chess com is now 300-something and I haven’t played in few years

    I also disliked chess because in my high school there was an extremely competetive atmosphere around it and I felt discouraged to join

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      I always hated chess players, especially male ones, I enjoy the game but a lot of them that I met irl are redpill assholes masculinists

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        yea exactly, but generally the people I met at school were more into “destroying” others than actually teaching you how to play

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    I reached around 1300 on chess.com before I started boycotting the site for being Zionist. I have since used lichess and barely can hover around 1000. It’s very relative and depends where you play. I had a real life tournament Rating of 1200 when I played as a kid. Just have fun, ratings are Just to keep your games evenly matched.

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      I should also boycott chess.com now that you told me, even tho I already thought about how weird it was for them to mask Russian players and not israeli ones, but I never really concluded in doing so, thanks

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    I used to play chess with my dad when I was little. It is good for teaching you to think ahead. I was really good at that for a while. My dad died and I pretty much stopped playing it and I noticed over the last few decades that my ability to think things many steps ahead died too.

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      i’m really sorry to hear about your dad, you don’t have to play chess again to recover your ability to plan ahead i’m sure there’s a lot of other games or activities

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        For some reason, I don’t remember having that problem with chess even though I can in RL. It’s been a while since I played it much, but from what I remember, I didn’t have a deep understanding of the game; I mainly was just careful in thinking steps through and that made me good enough that I could often hold my own (though I’m sure I’d get destroyed if I played against pros). For other players who are at a casual level of skill, I think that’s all you really need is caution. Lot of times in chess, people will make blunders because they are too hasty; and if they lose a valuable piece as a result, it can spiral if the other player plays cautious and plodding, gradually making use of the advantage to whittle down to where the blundered player’s best bet is to force a stalemate.

        Interestingly, chess can be similar to programming logic in a way and I ended up into coding as one of my areas of interest in life. “If this, then this” kind of thinking; pieces with unique operations (movements) they can each do; it even has a piece that can change state (the special pawn turning into a queen situation).

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    I’m 1500 in chess. I know the exact feeling.

    Best advice I can give you to mitigate it, is to just stop playing for the day. You might have noticed that some days you play better than other days. If you are on a bad day then dont play. Also you are at your sharpest at the beginning of a session, so if you start out well then start getting a losing streak, just stop playing, rather than extending your negative streak.

    At any rate, chess ELO is just there to match you with opponents of your level. It doesn’t mean much else, beyond a quantitative measure of your skill.

    If you want to get better then:

    1. Learn tactics, such as forking, pinning, etc.

    2. Learn openings to get a better grip on positioning(!) Don’t fall in the trap of memorizing moves. Understand why a move is being played, what it does and what it leads to. This will help you build more solid positions in your games. Some squares are better than other squares, and this changes game by game. Openings can teach you to recognize quickly what is the best decision in most situations.

    3. Do puzzles! Puzzles teach you both tactics (1) and pattern recognition (2).

    4. Stop playing on chess.com. Go to lichess instead. Chess.com is horrid for new players. Its elo system tends to be too oppressive, its learning tools are paywalled (3 free puzzles per day and limited reviews based on a free open-source engine is ridiculous), and in the lower ranks it is filled with cheaters and smurfs. Lichess is a much better experience overall and there’s no paywalls. Most importantly for you, it offers unlimited free puzzles, separated into categories with ratings for each category, so you know what to improve on.

    5. Learn from the best. See what grandmasters are advising. If chess books aren’t your thing then follow someone’s youtube channel. Some are better than others. Find someone who explains things so you understand them, rather than someone who just assumes you already know what they are saying. I highly recommend Ben Finegold for this!

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      thank you so much that’s really nice, i’ll try to use lichess from now on, i already have it on my phone but i rarely use it but i find some free courses on it sometimes and it works really good

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    From what I heard being good at chess is pretty much all about pattern recognition, as in recognizing similarities with moves from past games and gaining an intuition on what to do based on that. Experience gained through pure repetition and grind basically. If you are looking for a game based on actual grand strategic thinking there are probably way better games out there.

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      Aren’t all strategic games based on pattern recognition? I have difficulty thinking of alternative definitions for strategy. I thought all skills are learned through repetition and grind.

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      Mid-game in chess is where creative thinking and employing tactics to carry out a strategy comes into play, openings and end game are the rote recognition parts.

      All games could be simplified down to pattern recognition at the high level so I don’t think that’s really a fair critique.

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    What I did was forget about elo and played for fun.

    It’s frowned upon in the community to play bullet games, but I don’t care, it’s fun lol. I’d spam hundreds of 3 minutes games on lichess, they say you don’t learn anything but I think you just learn at a slower rate.

    After actually enjoying chess and getting into the thrill of it, blasting house music and getting into the flow of the game, you’ll start to invest more time outside of playing.

    I started watching chess brah, agadmator(?), and eric rosen like every night before bed. The last two were actually really helpful, eric rosen always did these unorthodox openings and moves that were super fun to watch.

    I also did puzzles whenever I was bored with whatever I was doing at the time. Much slower pace and allows you to think things through without having to focus on openings.

    I’d say my openings are the worst attribute I have, but it also seems to work in my favor since a lot of people seem to just memorize openings and playing random crap throws them off at mid-tier elos.

    I started playing rapids a while back, actually focusing on my moves and all that, I beat a couple ~2000 elo (on lichess) people, and it felt great but it was also much more stressful to me than spamming bullet games. I think caring about the elo makes your nerves go off, and to me it’s just not that enjoyable.

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      Thank you, I think I’ll do the same and focus on bullet games until I build up thr confidence again

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    Sounds more like you hate competitive rating systems that can give you a fleeting high of accomplishment, only to take it all away in an instant. Chess can certainly be played without rating systems, though I don’t know what the options are like these days if you’re depending on doing it via online systems. Lot of digital stuff now shoves leaderboards/rankings into everything when it doesn’t really add anything and can even detract.

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      I’ve always hated competitive games, I used to play valorant when I was younger and didn’t know any better, and got stuck in the lowest rank for w years

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    I was chess club in middle school, but I do not like chess anymore either as there much better board games to play. I was just in the club because I was bored and taught myself how to play it by researching it online. Chess is supposed to be good for teaching strategy and problem solving skills, but really there are way better ways of doing so from video games or much more modern board games.

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      eh i disagree, a lot of board games involves a dice (or another way to randomize the game) which reduces them to gambling imo (tho maybe there’s still some tactics to them), other than that there’s like domino and checkers, which i find too simple idk (i suck at them)

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    Chess isn’t all about elo. Elo is just your relative strength at the game. The point is to think about the moves, tactics and strategy each time it’s your turn, which if done correctly leads to better results.

    Also when you say you lost it all what do you mean by that? Which time format are you playing? Do you stop playing after you lose 2 games in a row?

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      I lost like 100 elo and i got angry i didn’t know where to express it. It was the rapid 10 minute format, It started with 10 losses in a row, then I’ve been alternating win and loss since

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        If you lose 2 in a row stop playing for that day. Take a break, then come back and always analyse your losses to see where you made mistakes. I suggest playing on lichess since their computer analysis tool is completely free.