idk it’s my first time (kind of) trying to do dataviz, I thought the original post was super interesting but like other comments said, it was hard to read.
I think in a way it’s mostly because defederation is complex to show as links, since it is the break of said link, but hopefully this type of graph is better ?
you do lose the “group” of instances view, though (and also I did not bother with per instance MAU as raw number + percentage, or sofware used)
let me know what you think!
I’ve updated my spreadsheet with data of everything with at least 50 MAU (60 instances); pretty much have my updated defederation graph done in terms of instance placement (shared it on Matrix for feedback), just need to add more statistics to it.
Adding more instances of course increases the complexity, so while I made adjustments to hopefully make the boxes easier to differentiate, any graph at scale will be somewhat confusing without animation that allows the end user to focus on one instance at a time.
Your visualization definitely adds a degree of clarity to things, so maybe I’ll spend more time working on my design too.
It doesn’t even Include https://lemmy.today/ that has no defederation or blocking at all, and has never had, since the admin feels it’s up to the user and not the admin to decide these things. You know, free and open internet, remember?
Also one of the best themes of all Lemmy instances if you ask me.
You gotta ask the OOP about that, but my guess is, in a graph that shows instances that defederate, why include an instance that doesn’t?
I see your point I guess. Perhaps defederation is something that users want, and then they are happy to see who does it the most?
Im not like that myself, but I can see the point.
why include an instance that doesn’t?
Because it lets you see how common or uncommon defederations are relative to the total set of all instances (or at least, all minus the long tail of very-low-user-count ones). And although it would make the graph larger, it would also make it sparse and IMO that would also be easier to read.
It could also give a misleading impression that all instances defederate or are defederated by somebody, making people think it’s more common than it actually is. (Or maybe not doing that, if you include allish instances and it still ends up being not very sparse.)
Came here to say that!
I can’t comprehend why people would join instances in the list. If you don’t like a particular instance, just hop into the user settings and block it! Why let others set your blocklist?
The first and most obvious is that (last I checked on Lemmy) per-user instance blocks only block posts, not comments. This means that for truly spammy instances (cough Hexbear cough) it requires an instance-wide block to achieve.
Secondly, I would argue it is the same as any other reason to choose an instance. That being, I have to generally like the vibe and agree with the way it’s run. For example, I have to agree with the instance rules and trust the admins to moderate them. This is an extension of that.
In the case of lemmy.ca specifically, I would say every major defederation I know of has been cast to a community vote and has had solid reasoning behind it. It comes back to trust and matching opinions: I (currently) trust the admin team to have reasonable defederations as they have matched or been similar to my opinions in the past.
I enjoy not having to self-moderate my experience outside of individual users or rare cases. Choosing an instance that generally aligns with your views allows your admin team to do some moderation for you.
Might be frontend-dependent, but it’s certainly an issue if comments are not filtered the same way.
Otherwise, alright, I see your point!
because it’s less work.
Doesn’t take much normally. But still, I think Lemmy would surely benefit from adding custom filter lists that users can enable or disable at will.
Besides ideology, preferences, bot filtering, or content, there’s also the matter of blocking things like CSAM, gore, etc. Lemmy proposes to not only factor in user preferences but also to properly curate the content via its moderators.
Honestly, that’s one thing I’ve never ever seen on the Fediverse, while having seen plenty in conventional social media.
It’s fair that some moderation action might be necessary going forward, but I don’t see this problem exist at a current scale.
So why does everyone hate lemmygrad and hexbear? I’m out of the loop on that.
tankie bullshit
Hexbear originated from ChapoTrapHouse fandom which is a part of the so-called dirtbag left that explicitly antagonizes (neo)liberals. They also don’t use downvotes and encourage users to voice their opinions instead.
So every wave of redditor freaks the hell out when they get a handful of hexbear users clowning on some take like it’s a coordinated brigade attack.
I have mixed feelings about that. Thanks for explaining!
I should probably add there’s also been a community on my instance dedicated to portraying Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and .ml in the worst possible way, usually by taking a single comment or DM out of context. The user running it finally fucked off from the Fediverse just a month or two back.
Since that community is now being run by overt Zionists who are into spreading outright doctored screenshots, hopefully it’ll fall into long overdue irrelevance. If you ever see the term ‘tankie triad’ that’s probably one of them.
tankies.
they are too extreme for the normal extremists.
lemmygrad because they are perceived as tankies / commies, and thus get all the kneerjerk reaction from the people who are unwilling to apply the same standards to the US, the EU or Israel.
Hexbear, honestly no idea.
Tankies act a heck of a lot like Alt-Right MAGA, both outright calling for genocide so long as it is done against their enemies rather than allies. In short, tankies claim to be leftist, but aren’t.
That said, Hexbear isn’t even that much really, so much as pure trolling for its own sake. Both are examples of what happens when echo chambers are allowed to exist for a long time - the people inside become radicalized and immune to factual information from the outside that may run counter to their allowed list of interpretations of matters.
I think it’s prettier but harder to glean information from.
The similar color makes it slightly difficult to read but the graph is better, and easier to understand. Anyways, you are skilled, good job :3
Yeah the 3 yellows really are hard to differentiate.
It would be cool to have something like the internet map but of the fediverse
There is https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/map but I don’t know how accurate it is
edit: it looks completely off at first glance lol
I notice that it presents sites with the same editorial body as separate cases, such as piefed.ca and lemmy.ca. Perhaps it would make sense and potentially improve readability to collapse any cases that have the same in and out arcs as each other. (So, all the cases that have no blocks and only block lemmygrad as one collapsed entry, for example.)
This makes much more sense thanks
Blahaj federated lemmynsfw? Interesting
I love how almost everybody defederates with Lemmygrade lmao
Too be fair unlike the other instances this is without doubt an instance for the Russia bootlickers.
Yeah, Russia and China bootlickers.
I don’t know what are the worse ones, tho, if these two of the US bootlickers.
It’s hard to decide.
Now I am curious what is going on in fedinsfw.
Legal risk. Being federated means mirroring the content locally and that can cause liability for the instance owner. Laws around porn can vary by country and to some being federated could be illegal, or be an unreasonable risk.
Reposting porn from other sites i assune
porn that makes most folks uncomfortable
Ah, thankyou! As a lazy person not sure who my instance was blocking, I now know. Excellent. Better find an instance who doesn’t block any instances.
Cool diagram.
If you removed hexbear and lemmygrad (nearly everyone defederates them so they just clutter the place up) then the other information would be clearer. For example I didn’t notice that beehaw has defederated both lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works until my third viewing.
Very cool, bien joué ha ha
One point of order, you lost slrpnk.net’s defederation of hexbear.net
Ah my bad I gotta redo it now
